My take on EDGE...

Discussion in 'iPhone' started by scootermafia, Jun 26, 2007.

  1. scootermafia macrumors member

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    Okay, so all iPhones now will pretty much come out the gate strapped up with data plans. Everyone's gonna have one. And, EDGE isn't all that useful, it's barely faster than dialup internet if at all. Or is it?

    Let's think about where you're going to use EDGE. When you are "on the go" that is where you are least likely to have wifi coverage. The movie theater, a restaurant, a train station perhaps. Now these are places you spend short amounts of time, relatively speaking. Where you spend most of your day is at home (where there is wifi) and at work or school (where there is probably wifi). Now, what sort of tasks are you going to do on the go? The stock ticker and weather widgets, and surely a widget for movie times, and such use a few kilobytes of data at a time, hardly a challenge for using EDGE. You may pop your mail, which would probably yank in a few dozen messages per minute, as mail messages without attachments are a reasonable size - and then you can type and send your replies. If you are truly on the go and not at work or home, you are doing something serious, you are in motion. You probably are not in the middle of nowhere looking for a long browsing experience or long-term entertainment via the internet (that's what your preloaded music and video are for, which you can listen to as you enjoy the pain of the slow internet). Because when you're truly bored but away from wifi, you are probably not waiting a very long time (unless you're in an airport, which has wifi). So in other words you are not up for serious browsing anyway if you are actually away from your protective net of wifi coverage. In sum, EDGE will get you by as it is appropriate for the sort of usage you might do when you are away from the wifi blanket. EDGE may be very slow for the maps situation, though. This may not be that useful for driving around in your car unless you have the patience to wait for the map to download. But your best bet is to save your important routes beforehand and call them up later, and use the internet feature to keep up to date on the traffic situation.

    Am I an Apple apologist? Well, not that many cities have 3G yet, it isn't quite time. If the iPhone was 3G, those without 3G coverage would be the sad ones. And I am only thinking out loud about whether the EDGE data situation is going to be a big hassle for me or not. And I think I'll get by. At least it's $20 and not $40 and truly unlimited.
     
  2. smarquet macrumors newbie

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    Deceptive.....

    All this wifi is going to cost you...... I just signed up for the tmobil hotspots. An extra $30 per month. So with my $59.00 ATT plan thats $90 per month. Plus tax and Fees. so more like $110 per month.

    :(
     
  3. mrowl macrumors regular

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    the movie theater I go to has free wifi.

    the majority of the restaurants have free wifi.

    There is wifi everywhere, either free or tmobile.

    I doubt I will use edge much.
     
  4. hcopp macrumors regular

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    i wholeheartedly agree, EDGE will not be that bad, hell i used it on my blackjack for 6 months and never had an issue. With using the widget and mail, itll be a piece of cake. i really dont even plan on using safari that much. browsing the internet without your computer is quite lackluster
     
  5. tttexxan macrumors 6502a

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    I think I will use edge alot but would never use the phone to surf at work or at home...Why do that when you have a computer or laptop with fast connection....

    I would mainly use edge when at movie theater, Sunday School :>)
    or out and about...Would surf much though just to get quick info.
     
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  7. Airforce macrumors 6502a

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    Little children who use their phone in theatres get eaten by big bad Al Qaeda closet monsters. Remember that kiddo.
     
  8. JNB macrumors 604

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    Praise the Lord and pass the broadband!
     
  9. killmoms macrumors 68040

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    There's free WiFi EVERYWHERE, you just need to know where to look. There are even websites that have maps with WiFi access points on them. Some downtown areas are blanketed in free metropolitan WiFi (downtown Burbank is this way). Many restaurants and coffee shops have free WiFi.

    Basically, unless you live in the sticks, you can find free WiFi.
     
  10. iprincess macrumors member

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    the more people that have iphones, the more free wifi will pop up...
     
  11. wakka092 macrumors 6502

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    I live in the sticks (a town of 8k) and there are many unprotected WiFi access points. And this is not a rich town.
     
  12. JoJoCal19 macrumors 65816

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    Seriously, just buy a wifi finder key chain for not much $ and then you will always know when you have wifi available.
     
  13. kdarling macrumors demi-god

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    Where do you live?

    Around the northeast, a lot of people ride the trains for a long time in the morning.

    That's when they need and want EDGE data access.

    Unfortunately, they can't have both that and talk on this phone simultaneously.

    It's not mentioned in the reviews so far (inadequate reviews - give ME one ;- ), but we assume that the EDGE data access will get interrupted for a phone call prompt. Or not. Some phones don't do that when using EDGE, only wifi. We need to know these things.
     
  14. drew0020 macrumors 65816

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    I love Apple products are much as everyone on here, but lets not be apologists on this one. Edge capability on this phone is a terrible mistake. For $500 minimum the phone should have the latest and greatest.

    I am still getting the phone, but let's not kid ourselves about this ommission.
     
  15. Twinkie macrumors regular

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    I've had a Treo 750 for a couple months, and a Blackjack before it.

    If you're not in the middle of a 3G footprint, having a 3G capable phone is more of a curse than a blessing. That is, unless you have a strange penchant for being near an outlet or a car if your phone has been off the charger for more than four hours (without any calls).

    I typically use my Treo for syncing to the Exchange server at work, and I might make a couple of 5-minute calls. No movie-watching or MP3-playing for me. I live just outside of a 3G area, and my office is almost in the middle of a 3G area. That's "typical usage" for me, and if I'm lucky, I get about 12 hours of use before the phone starts complaining about a low battery.

    The Blackjack was better about battery life, but they come with two batteries for a reason. And yes, I know how to disable UTMS (or switch to HSDPA), but that really just proves my point.

    Until AT&T builds out the 3G network, I'd rather have the battery life.
     
  16. mainomega macrumors 6502

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    I found this to be the COMPLETE opposite. When I'm at home/work I wouldn't need to use this phone for long-browsing sections. It is when I'm stuck at the dealership (car maint.) or the GF is shopping when I would want EDGE to be super fast so I can be distracted. I Don't want to wait 100 seconds for webpages to load (review article NYTs). The only reason I use my phone when not at home/work is to keep me from falling asleep. I'm buying the phone and will probably love it... but i'm sure it'll make me HATE AT&T and the EDGE service.
     
  17. marksman macrumors 603

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    I suspect Apple just could not except the battery times you got on the phone when using the more power hungry 3g.
     
  18. drew0020 macrumors 65816

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    I am sure there are many vaild reasons as to why they couldnt, but lets not make it a positive that the phone has edge. If this was any other phone from a typical cell phone company we would all be killing the device for the lack of high speed internet.

    I wish it was upgradeable. The trick for me will be to unload the phone 2-3 months before revision 2.
     
  19. mustang_dvs macrumors 6502a

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    According to the EDGE specification, the maximum throughput is 384Kbps -- but that's contingent on a strong signal.
     
  20. kdarling macrumors demi-god

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    That's theoretical, and only if the cell tower doesn't allocate space for any voice calls. Doesn't happen.

    Maximum standard EDGE rate is 236Kbps, if you managed to get all the download slots, and have no contention for the upload slot (for TCP/IP control). Otherwise you're usually less. If you're sharing with three other people doing You Tube, you drop to 59K or less.
     
  21. lilnyc macrumors 6502a

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    Then NYC must be "the sticks," because linking successfully to an OPEN wi-fi connection was not possible for me recently with the Nokia N800 Internet tablet. I was able to connect at park, butotherwise I'd connect but get network errors, so it could not open any web pages. I do wory about that.
     
  22. taberrr macrumors regular

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    Concurrence! This doesn't sound like something they can upgrade via software in a future release either... ugh. (Right?) Still getting one, but damn...
     
  23. asphalt-proof macrumors 6502a

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    except that if you are not in a 3g area (a vast expanse of the US) that LATEST and GREATEST does you diddly. No, EDGE was the right choice for now. If the iPhone really takes off, the onus will be on ATT to update their pipes then Apple can go with 3G. But that will come at the expense of battery life. Life is a trade off.
     
  24. JellyFish macrumors regular

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    Is it possible to turn off graphics loading while browsing? Tht will help speed things up. I know it's not the optimal web experience but there might be times when turning them off could help speed things up considerably.

    Just a thought.
     
  25. taberrr macrumors regular

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    Good thought, but that pretty much throws the "non-watered down" part out the window. :)
     

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