My thoughts thus far on Lion

Discussion in 'Mac OS X Lion (10.7)' started by Heston, Jun 23, 2011.

  1. Heston macrumors regular

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    I've been playing around with Lion for about a couple of weeks so far, and I have a few comments to say about it, some good, some bad - take them for whatever they're worth. You might have a different experience than I do and will have a different opinion as a result. I wouldn't mind hear what you think about it, if you will be using it in the future, or if some of the issues that I have now be changed with the final build.

    Installation was pretty straightforward and didn't have any hiccups. My first impressions were that it was the clean, crisp platform similar to the iOS's. Simple, quick, and easy to use.

    I have to admit, the Launchpad feature in my opinion is pretty worthless. Maybe it's just because of the Developer release that I'm on, but it seems rather cumbersome to manage the applications. In fact, it loaded up all of the Microsoft applications for Parallels, so there were literally hundreds of icons and it made it more bothersome to have to look through all of those than to simply click on the applications icon on the dock, which has always been a nice feature with the grid view in my opinion. Deleting and organizing the icons in Launchpad takes forever and there has to be an easier way of quickly organizing them. Otherwise, why would I care about Launchpad?

    So far internet connectivity is somewhat annoying. It works, but there are a few quirks. For example, when I pull the computer out of sleep mode, the internet connects, but the wireless animation on the menu bar appears that it's still trying to connect. Just a bug that needs to be fixed, but it's a little annoying to me. Another big problem that I have is connecting to 802.1x profiled networks. My school uses it for authentication, but I haven't been able to get it to work, despite using the iPhone Configuration route. I think, once Lion comes out officially, my school will have to make some changes to allow for Lion to connect better. In this case, it doesn't "Just work."

    I haven't tried Airdrop, but it seems like an interesting concept. I've always created private networks and transferred files that way. I wonder how Airdrop will work with a network like mine at school. Ideally you'd want Airdrop to work anywhere and on any network, and be quick. Otherwise, again, what's the point?

    I like the full screen views, to a point. For a while I liked it and would swipe from one thing to the next, but I often find myself pulling a screen out from fullscreen because I like that feel of being in control, of minimizing and being able to see the desktop. Seems too much like the iPad and not enough like a personal computer. I don't know how much i'll actually use the fullscreen thing. Plus, it doesn't allow you to manually organize and arrange the windows in the order you want. it does it based on usage. That would get annoying to constantly try and figure out where a full screen application while swiping through.

    So far I like the global autocorrect feature, but i can see that getting annoying as well like it does with the iPhone. There are websites out there that explicating mock some of the stupid autocorrections made. This could turn to be somewhat annoying....

    I realize a lot of these features are capable of being turned off, but for the lay person that doesn't know how to do that, that's a shame. For example, the reverse scrolling? What the heck?? I don't care if we're trying to mimic the iPad experience. This is my laptop experience and retraining my mind to naturally want to do the opposite is just another annoying feature. It doesn't take long to grasp on to the switch, but for someone that doesn't use iPads or iPhones and gets on a Mac laptop will find it very annoying.

    Waking up from sleep is supposed to be quicker. I haven't found that to be true...

    I love the new spotlight features. VERY very useful, especially with the quick view. I'm pleased with that.

    I am also very impressed with the new Preview. As someone that writes notes on Pdf's all the time, this version will be much, much better to work with. I am very impressed.

    I love the new Mail, with the conversations and better layout. Only problem is that it appears to still want to use POP for Yahoo!...or at least it doesn't work with the yahoo account my dad uses at work. Apparently it works on his iPhone, but not the old Mail or even new Mail. Just an FYI

    No Rosetta. That's a problem, especially if you use Quicken and not Quicken Essentials.

    I don't like the idea of not having a physical disk for the installation. Doing a clean install will be super time consuming with having to install Leopard first and then Lion. I am not a big fan of that. Will Apple allow us to burn an image to a disk? How would that work for those that aren't tech savvy?

    For SOME reason, maybe it'll just be in the Developers build, but swiping back and forth in Safari doesn't always work. Some websites (the majority) don't allow me and I have to use the old click the arrow technique. This was working so great in Leopard, why does it have to be so glitchy now?

    One last thing that I found different and nice was the System Information dialog box. I think it looks more clean and nicer to use. Stupid thing to find nice, but I find it nice all the same.

    And....that about does it.
     
  2. Outsider macrumors regular

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    I agree with almost everything you said. Especially about Launchpad being of little use. At least for more advanced users like us.
     
  3. labaom macrumors member

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    Mission Control sucks. No one I know uses Spaces. Incorporating that and Expose wastes screen space. I would rather have my full screen to see all my applications.
     
  4. soco macrumors 68030

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    Even for average users, LaunchPad is simply awkward. The default gesture for it is so supremely odd to exact. I hate it lol

    I think it's meant to be more of a "See guys? See where we're going with this?" rather than a finished product of what they want it to be.
     
  5. Simplicated macrumors 65816

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    I can't agree with you more especially the point regarding full screen apps.

    With 2 or more monitors, it gets worse. It doesn't care where the window is, it still moves to the primary monitor when entering full screen. What about the other screens? Grey. The background you see in the login screen. Two problems stem from this:

    1. What if I really wanted to work on that particular monitor? (The secondary monitor I have is much larger than the main display, and I absolutely WANT to use full screen with it)
    2. While working with multiple monitors, I obviously want to do some stuff related to assistance on the secondary monitors (for example, Xcode documentation). Why must OS X cover the whole secondary monitors, rendering it completely useless?

    The gesture is non-intuitive. You have to pinch with 4 fingers to show it, while the animation appears like you should spread instead.
     
  6. Heston, Jun 23, 2011
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    It's like Apple has created a "brand" new operating system with ONE thing in mind, steer EVERYTHING they make into a common experience that's proprietary under their terms. Everything screams global integration with all their products right now: iCloud, OS Lion, iOS 5 (iPhone, iPad, iTouch). I think for a while they felt like their iOS and OS X systems were too separate. Or....maybe they're making budget cuts and integrated the iOS developer team into the OS X team? Haha

    So I think the real million dollar question is this: have they poised themselves in preparation for a touchscreen laptop and/or iMac? I can see that it would definitely be more feasible with the operating system mimics between iOS and Lion. That's my hunch....I mean, why not? It be so easy to do now.

    I agree. I found that to be odd as well. Such a waste of real-estate, especially for those that work with Adobe all day long and would, potentially take advantage of the extra space on the main screen in fullscreen, but ultimately lose productivity with a blank screen on the external monitor.

    Maybe this will be fixed. Such a waste if not....
     
  7. JKK photography macrumors regular

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    I'm actually kind of loving Launchpad. Ive just been clicking the icon in the dock, but I find it much faster than going into the Finder.

    Obviously not as quick as Spotlight, but sometimes I just go in and find the program anyways.

    As for the gesture, I agree. It's unintuitive.

    Mission Control is fantastic. I never used Space before (I tried, but the implementation was just not for me). Now MC has fixed that.

    The only major complaint I have with the Preview is the battery life being sucked out of my Pro.
     
  8. roland.g macrumors 603

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    Bear in mind that I have not used Lion so these are just my opinions without having any real experience.

    I could suggest that you do one of two things, either bring your menubar to your secondary screen in the display prefs to default it to the larger monitor and/or use something like BetterTouchTool which includes BetterSnapTool to bring in the Windows 7 snapping feature. Not quite the same as "full screen" but you can use it with 2 monitors to achieve the most app real estate. I would expect that Apple will address the grey screen issue allowing you to have one full screen app with another screen in use or two separate full screen apps down the line in a 10.7.x update and not a 10.8 feature. Feedback will necessitate it.

    They have said and people in the market agree that we are not there yet. The HP Touchscreen computers have not done all that well, and people don't want to be touching their beautiful iMac screens, not at this point. Too cumbersome and awkward ergonomically. That is why the Magic Trackpad came out. Keeps the I/O surface horizontal but the viewing vertical.
     
  9. Heston thread starter macrumors regular

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    I would agree, touch computers are definitely not there. But we still have operating systems gearing toward that. Take for example Windows 8, which is very much touchscreen oriented and manipulating windows and items.

    It could be that they've finally married the technology to the OS and leaving the capability of a touchscreen experience a possibility, rather than a surety.

    Also, as a MAJOR aside, am I missing something with everything integrating with Twitter? It was something I attempted at using a long time ago, but it never caught on with me. Why is Windows 8, iOS 5, and other operating systems integrating so much with that one social network?
     
  10. roland.g macrumors 603

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    My guess is that just like Facebook, Flickr, etc. it is the hottest thing right now that sooooo many people are using and they are either getting feedback that people want it integrated and/or they are just figuring that they really need to make sure it is in there so that people see that as a deciding feature, ie. "Well I can easily tweet...". Personally I have resisted Facebook, MySpace, Twitter, even Flickr (MobileMe Gallery works fine for me, though I'm not sure where that will go with iCloud), so all I want to see is iOS settings to turn off those features. If I don't want them, don't put them in my sharing prefs, allow me to hit the share arrow in a box icon on a photo or whatever on my iOS device without seeing 4 or 5 menu items, Twitter and Facebook of which I will never use. Give me settings toggle to remove them.
     
  11. tmoerel macrumors 6502

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    Spaces.... couldn't live without it. Try to make an iPad app in Xcode while having Photoshop & Indesign open.....nothing like using spaces!
     
  12. labaom macrumors member

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    Well you must agree we should have the option to have regular expose....
     
  13. CyBeRino macrumors 6502a

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    I don't understand this either. I see it as a fad that will go away within a year or two, because something newer and fancier came along.
     
  14. crobbins macrumors 6502

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    I found this to be the case as well. I went into system preferences and switched it back to 3 fingers instead of 2. It's working great again in Safari and also means it works in Chrome again. I didn't realize how much I used the back and forward web browser gesture until it was temporarily gone.. :cool:
     
  15. Simplicated macrumors 65816

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    And hopefully the one prior to Snow Leopard.
     
  16. BlackMangoTree macrumors 6502a

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    Mission Control, i still cry every time i use it.
     
  17. Simplicated macrumors 65816

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    Same here... The way it stacks windows is like Flip 3D and it's really hard to find the window I am looking for. It's even worse than the Exposé in Snow Leopard.

    I am planning on upgrading my Mac and will definitely get one before Lion comes out... That way I can decide whether to upgrade or not.
     
  18. Bernard SG macrumors 65816

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    Apparently, Twitter is quite big among tech professionals.
    But mostly, I believe there's an underlying idea of pissing off Facebook who seems to act bratty towards the other tech leaders (the Ping incident and the silly resistance to make an iPad App with Apple as well as the PR/smear campaign debacle with Google come to mind). So there seems to be a trend - concerted or not - to appear very pro-Twitter as a warning to facebook that they have a lot to lose by not being more collaborative with other giants.
     
  19. Tucom macrumors 65816

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    Ok, when will people finally get over the logical, imminent, and smart decision to get rid of Rosetta? If the apps are *so* important to use such as Quicken, then Bootcamp Windows...

    Rosetta is like the 800lb. gorilla sitting in the corner of a tea party, it's out of place, and will make the OS overall far more streamlined and faster. PPC is out of the picture for Apple, and if anything I'd say it's very impressive and surprising that Apple decided to support code for **five year old** architecture this long, but it's time to move on.


    Another option: PPC macs on Craigslist can be had for $50 for a dual 466Mhz G4 w/ 1-2GBs of RAM that I'm sure could run Quicken fine. If it's really that big of a deal.

    So yeah, just my .02 (lol not just mine though) but given the facts it's only logical that Rosetta be dropped.
     
  20. dethmaShine macrumors 68000

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    Good post.

    Lion is rich in its goodness and I'm more than pleased with the operating system.

    There's a point when you have to keep the base as strong as possible and add more functionality to it rather than portray it as a new user interface and spoil something that actually works for millions.

    My few quirks with the OS so far(DP4):

    1. Keyboard alphabet hold-down does not repeat the sequence which is a huge problem for developers and may be users.
    2. Mission Control is great but going to a particular space to view the contents and transferring windows is more than cumbersome.
    3. Dictionary does not have full screen - Yes that sucks for me.
    4. Resume feature should be for each application and you should have an option to turn it off per application basis.
    5. Previously when I had two or more tabs open in safari and would close them by chance, safari would alert me to do so. Now due to Resume, it won't and if there's some important content for e.g. a forum chat or writing a post here at macrumors or any other non-recoverable thing, I'm lost. There's no going back.
    6. On another note, people have this option called: Set as homepage for a reason. No body needs 1 or 2 pages or even more to open every time, you open the freaking application. Apple needs to sort this out.
    7. More window management features. Sadly Apple hasn't done much in this department except for the silly mission control.
     
  21. BlindSoul macrumors 6502

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    I agree with lots of the things you've said, I also think Apple is kinda making it feel like an iPad which thing I don't like at all. That's why there's an iPad and a Mac. It doesn't suppose to be the same, I want a feeling of a Mac!
    And I really agree with the Lion installation part. It's so annoying we have to install Snow Leopard and then Lion, Just damm give us a Lion disk and end with it.
     
  22. BlackMangoTree macrumors 6502a

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    These two things are so huge that i feel Lion is a huge step backwards compared to Snow Leopard even Windows 7

    Window management in Snow Leopard was bad enough in Lion it truly is horrible.
     
  23. tmoerel macrumors 6502

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    Nope, sorry. I never use expose. Somehow i can't stand it. Just CTRL-Arrow keys to move from desktop to the other. I somehow seem to remember what i have open on each so no expose needed!
     
  24. labaom macrumors member

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    Are you serious? You would rather have a few windows in every space? Expose is used MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH more widely than Spaces has or ever will be.
     
  25. Simplicated macrumors 65816

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    Just because you don't use it doesn't mean everybody doesn't. :) I use it as frequent as every 15 minutes.
     

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