I had been thinking about the whole "apple is getting as bad as MS" thing, and it seems this is becoming more and more a reality. The 10.5.2 update was a complete disaster for my 3 month old white macbook. Before the update, I had minor issues (see list), none of which were fixed by the update. The biggest thing is that my wireless has been completely killed, some days it works mostly, other days (like today) it is totally unusable. By the way, for those of you wondering, I'm writing this from the very same macbook but IN WINDOWS XP via bootcamp. 0 wireless problems. Funny thing too, I have an apple 'airport' router. Clearly the 10.5.2 update was a disaster for many people. I find this really sad because unlike microsoft who have to make sure that their software runs on every possible computer configuration, apple only has to make sure that it works on a few systems which they themselves configured. Epic fail, and in my anger I've lost a great deal of respect for apple. You've worked on this piece of crap for months, have fixed nothing and made everything 10x worse. List of problems: -connection drops, today it happens every 5 seconds, been doing this for hours even after 2 restarts (totally unusable) -password box gone after wake-up (needs a 2nd wakeup to appear) -VLC crashes/freezes randomly -cpu whine not 'controllable anymore' (could be eliminated 100% by only running on one cpu core) -desktop still freezes after monitor switches (carried over from 10.5.x) -dvd player still has same 'graphic problems' (carried over from 10.5.x) -when ejecting disc, it doesnt eject and isnt visible in the OS anymore (carried over from 10.5.x) I am beyond angry. I'm going to try and find a 10.5.1 disc and reinstall. I thought I would never have to do this again after leaving windows, but clearly I was mistaken. Very, very disappointed. I could have lived with the "not fixing anything" part of the update, but the fact that it destroyed my OS is insane. Not even MS managed to do that with their updates. Yes there will be people saying "but it fixed x and y for me" or "it works flawlessly" - well let me tell you something, an update is supposed to fix existing problems, it is NOT SUPPOSED to introduce new ones as serious as this. Now everyone who doesn't have an install disc and/or backups can spend their time trying to get their working OS back. Thanks for nothing apple.