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Attention can be a double-edged sword. Perhaps your clamshell needs a big fat sticker on the lid saying
"LEAVE ME THE HECK ALONE, WILL YOU!"

Yah, that becomes an advanced-level invitation for a driven-enough dude to want to try to circumvent it, because chick-with-cute-vintage-laptop somehow means, “She wants to be talked to/hit on/etc/etc/etc/etc/var/root/sbin…” 9_9
 
Yah, that becomes an advanced-level invitation for a driven-enough dude to want to try to circumvent it, because chick-with-cute-vintage-laptop somehow means, “She wants to be talked to/hit on/etc/etc/etc/etc/var/root/sbin…” 9_9
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"13 DUDES KILLED... AND COUNTING"
 
Same as with booting from USB which AFAIK isn't trivial on any PPC Mac.

Some PPC Macs can boot from USB by just holding down the Option key post-chime whereas others require fiddling with Open Firmware settings. I've got 4 machines of varying generations and models (desktops and laptops, G3s and a G4) that fall into the former category.

Holding down Option after hearing the chime and clicking the OS X installer from the boot selection screen is extremely trivial and as I mentioned in the quoted post which is from this very thead, I'm able to do this on four of my PPC Macs that span different models and generations.
 
your objection is to the word "skyrocket"? Let's put some sanity in the discussion, $20/month to run computer is a LOT. that is the equivalent of 200 kWh
 
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Is it possible that a 2004 15" PowerBook G4 would run cooler than an 2006 Intel C2D MBP?

Because somehow the latter heats up quite a bit even when running a GUI-less Debian terminal.
 
Is it possible that a 2004 15" PowerBook G4 would run cooler than an 2006 Intel C2D MBP?

Yes. Very possible.

  • a single-core CPU (130 nm) versus a dual-core CPU (65 nm) of roughly similar vintages.
  • the PowerBook internal design by 2004–2005 had been optimized to make the most of CPU/GPU heat dissipation, whereas it probably wasn’t until the unibody MBPs before C2D architecture got better thermal dissipation.
  • both the PB and MBP can benefit from fan control utilities, but fans on the MBP will need to run fans at max speed for longer under similar use-cases.
  • the frequency during summertime when my thighs got first-degree burns from using my C2D MBP, versus using my late ’05 PowerBook. :)
 
your objection is to the word "skyrocket"? Let's put some sanity in the discussion, $20/month to run computer is a LOT. that is the equivalent of 200 kWh
Not sure whom you are directing this to (presumably me), but anyway.

I pay $300 for my cable/internet bill, $465 for my cellphone bill, $85 for my water bill, $263 for car insurance and $145 for a storage unit. This is monthly and does not include my mortgage or any other bills. Electric is routinely between $150-400 depending on the month.

$20 additional to my electric bill is not much to me. Maybe it is to you, but I don't have your bills.
 
My 15" PowerBook G4 doesn't have a PRAM battery either!

(I accidentally ripped the connector off the logic board. Ouch.)
 
Holding down Option after hearing the chime and clicking the OS X installer from the boot selection screen is extremely trivial and as I mentioned in the quoted post which is from this very thread, I'm able to do this on four of my PPC Macs that span different models and generations.
Hey out of curiosity, which macs and what OS versions? Anything special about the flash drive or just your typical 8gb min, APM format (vs GUID for intel) and the iso setup? I recall Action retro Sean did it this way.
 
Hey out of curiosity, which macs and what OS versions?

iBook G3/500
iBook G3/800
iMac G3/350
eMac G4

All of them with Tiger - but that's because it's my preference for most of my PPC Macs. If it were the G5 then I'd just go with Leopard: or rather, Sorbet Leopard nowadays. :)

Anything special about the flash drive or just your typical 8gb min, APM format (vs GUID for intel) and the iso setup? I recall Action retro Sean did it this way.

The iMac G3 has a faulty optical drive and no FireWire and this made USB booting a god send when I was working through replacing the HDD with an SSD and reinstalling Tiger onto the computer. There's an entire thread in which my experiences are documented but you can skip to right here for a guide on creating a bootable macOS USB installer that, providing your PPC Mac supports booting from USB by holding down Option after a cold boot or restart, will be recognised by your computer identically as if you were booting from a CD or DVD.

I used an 8GB stick and created the installer using El Capitan but only because the 2011 MBP is my daily driver and as I mentioned in the post, I've also done it on Snow Leopard and the steps are essentially more or less the same for Tiger and Leopard. From what I can recall, I didn't need to worry about the format because Disk Utility takes care of that for you when it effectively images the ISO to the USB stick.

It's really easy and on a PPC Mac with USB 1.1 the installation time is around 30-40 minutes. To put it into perspective, that's about the same time that it would take for Win 9x to install from CD on my PCs and even after that I'd still need to spend further time installing the necessary drivers for the hardware. :D

If you have any additional questions or queries that aren't covered in the guide, let me know. :)
 
I’ll be honest: I’m just so used to booting from FireWire — which “just works” when it comes to PPC (and early Intel) Macs — that it doesn’t even occur to me that booting from USB is also an option. I don’t like fooling around in OpenFirmware to get it to work on my machines either, so I’ll stick to FireWire. :)
Neither the Mac Mini G4 nor the clamshell will boot from USB, even in OFW I get the prohibit sign. This is definitely one of those 'works on my machine' things...

I once thought this was a USB controller thing in the flash drives, but even the flash drive I use with my PS2 doesn't work and that thing hates just about every one I have.

I just keep some DVD+R DLs, DVD-Rs, and CD-Rs around and forget about it. This is a real headache that one day I'll just cave in and buy a FireWire2Sata adapter (any recommendations?).
 
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Neither the Mac Mini G4

Yes, the Mini will not boot from USB, I also tried it on mine with the Tiger installer from a cold boot and the stick wasn't detected. Perhaps it might work in Open Firmware.

nor the clamshell will boot from USB, even in OFW I get the prohibit sign.

According to this Low End Mac article, the Clamshell iBook will boot from USB using a stick or an external DVD drive. The author has shared the steps which resulted in a successful installation via this route. :)

This is definitely one of those 'works on my machine' things...

Rather, it's a situation where USB booting works on particular ranges and models of PPC Macs across the years and as I've mentioned in another post, Apple supported this feature in an extremely inconsistent manner prior to the Intel transition where it became uniform across their products.

My iMac G3 was manufactured during the same period as my 1999 Sawtooth and can Option boot from USB but the latter cannot. However my dual USB iBook G3/500 and G3/800 were released a few years after the Sawtooth and they can Option boot from USB. As can my eMac which was released during the same period as the iBook G3/800. Yet Fast-FWD a couple of years and neither my iBook G4 nor my Mac Mini G4 which both went on sale during the same period are able to Option boot from USB.

This is why I've called for a sticky that lists which machines are confirmed as able to do this. At some point I'll get round to checking whether my PM G5, Quicksilver and PowerBook G4 also support it.
 
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