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Wow, I can't believe people on here are still debating over what the next iPhone will be called. It is obvious it is going to be the new iPhone. They don't do numbering systems for laptops, don't do numbering systems for desktops, don't do numbering systems for iPods, and they just got out of doing numbering systems for iPads to make everything more consistent. Guess what's next. I'd bed money on that. Everybody else will end up calling it sixth gen or iPhone (2012) like they are doing with the new iPad, which people are calling third gen or iPad (2012).

Back on topic, I think this could mean two redesigns back to back. Next gen will of course be a new design. But with a new SIM standard, the 7th gen might also be a new design. Just an idea, not sure Apple would do two new designs back to back. That's not really something they are known for. In fact, I can't remember them ever doing two new designs back to back with any of their products in the past 5+ years. And no, the new iPad's design does not at all count.

Agreed, who cares what they call it! I call my new iPad MINE!

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ETSI asked for designs for their new 4FF (aka - nano SIM). Apple responded with one design, Nokia, RIM and Motorola responded with a different design.

Apple's design requires a drawer to hold the SIM. 1p piece of plastic (with huge tooling costs) is fine on a £400 handset with £100 profit on each sale which sells in their millions between design changes, but on a £30 handset with £5 profit it becomes more of an issue. Remember Apple used expensive Liquid Metal just to make a SIM eject tool on the 3GS (when a 0.01p pin could have done). Nokia's design claims to allow greater options where the SIM is sited, how it's inserted, and therefore a greater range in form-factors. Once the tray is taken into account, Nokia claims Apple's SIM doesn't offer a significant reduction in size (smaller, but not by enough to justify it).

Apple's design is/was the same width and the micro SIM was wide - meaning users could insert the SIM the wrong way around into existing handsets with the risk of jamming the card in and damaging the phone.

Nokia claim that their SIM would be easier for users to handle, allow for more innovative device designs and provide something very different to just a SIM a little smaller than the current micro SIM.

And finally, ETSI had pre-agreed a number of requirements for the 4FF - i.e. they said "Please submit your designs for our new nano-SIM, it has to do X, Y and Z". Nokia/RIM/Motorola's claims that Apple's design does not meet all the requirements. It's like a customer (ETSI) asking a software developer (Apple) for some software to do some specific things, and the developer coming back and saying "You didn't really want that - have this instead."

Apple want their design as it suits them and their market (high margin, high priced phones). Nokia/RIM/Motorola want their design as it allows cheaper devices, and benefits all manufacturers. ETSI sets standards for the industry as a whole - to allow interoperability and good competition - not just for single manufacturers.

Nice breakdown. So what is the over/under on what Nokia, RIMM and Moto presented to ETSI?
 
Never caused any problems for the refurb store (they just list the generation).

Maybe. But Apple is all about being simple. If they're targeting non-techy people, imagine people going in an Apple Store in a couple years asking for an a previous gen iPhone - "I'll take the old New iPhone". How confusing will that get?

I'm not saying numbering things are the way to go, but using "New" in a product name seems asinine.
 
Sim cards are old tech. Cellphone companies need to embrace the cloud. I don't remember the last phone I used that had a sim card.
 
Sim cards are old tech. Cellphone companies need to embrace the cloud. I don't remember the last phone I used that had a sim card.

Then you must be on a CDMA network as all GSM networks use SIM cards.

While I understand Apple saying more space but how much can 1 or 2 square mm really save them? As i would imagine the actually connected on the board is probably a set size, so why not just make the foot print of that smaller?

Kimbie
 
Sim cards are old tech. Cellphone companies need to embrace the cloud. I don't remember the last phone I used that had a sim card.

Enjoy sticking to your current CDMA carrier. The others won't let you use your phone on their network.

I've used my iPhone on 5 different GSM/UMTS networks - all thanks to the mighty SIM.

I don't need to tell any of them that I'm doing it either.
 
ETSI asked for designs for their new 4FF (aka - nano SIM). Apple responded with one design, Nokia, RIM and Motorola responded with a different design.

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Thanks for the explanation... The MR article should have included this as background to begin with. :eek:
 
Exactly. I only read what I want.

iPod
MacBook Air
MacBook Pro
iPad

and now...

iPhone.

Simple.

Yeah, just completely ignore what I wrote after that. And again, that all makes sense when there is one model being sold at a time. Either way, they will at some point give it a number. They won't be calling the 2012 iPad the "New iPad" in 2013 when it is being sold side-by-side with the latest iPad (same with iPhone).
 
That said, blind Freddy can't see stuff, but that's another story.

I don't understand the indecision on this one. The choice is obvious - make the smaller one. Less plastic is used, it's a smaller footprint, which will result in smaller devices. What needs to be decided on?

Well, the (slightly) smaller nano-SIM design championed by Nokia uses a completely different connector, meaning that there's no way to cut an existing card down for it, or provide a passive adapter to use a newer card with an older phone.

The nano-SIM design being championed by Apple is effectively as small as you can get without changing the connector. That lets you keep backward/forward compatibility between the standard [mini|micro|nano]SIM cards simply by sticking the smaller versions in a completely inert plastic 'ring'.

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Maybe. But Apple is all about being simple. If they're targeting non-techy people, imagine people going in an Apple Store in a couple years asking for an a previous gen iPhone - "I'll take the old New iPhone". How confusing will that get?

I'm not saying numbering things are the way to go, but using "New" in a product name seems asinine.

"New" isn't part of the name. It's an adjective. Do you really think that every year Toyota releases the New Highlander? Or do you realize that they're releasing the new Highlander. Sure, technically, every 3 years or so it's the completely redesigned Highlander, but it's certainly never been called the Completely Redesigned Highlander.

Take a look at the back of the iPhone 4s. See the device's name? It say 'iPhone'. It doesn't have the model designation on the device at all. I'm fairly sure it's be that way for every iPhone model.

My suspicion is this:
Apple will release the new iPhone, which looks like the iPhone 4/4s, and will start referring to them as the iPhone single/double/quad core to distinguish them in-store.
 
Take a look at the back of the iPhone 4s. See the device's name? It say 'iPhone'. It doesn't have the model designation on the device at all. I'm fairly sure it's be that way for every iPhone model.
The boxes have the model name on them though ;)

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Im sorta getting sick of this numbering thing anyway

its not like they say "iMac 4" or "macbook pro 5s"...

the new iPhone sounds......simple.

Yeah, but you don't buy a new iMac to show off to your friends, but having the latest, greatest mobile device is a HUGE selling point to the mass market.

"Hey I got that new Samsung LED monitor that came out last week for my PC!"
'oh... that's nice.'

"Hey I got the new HTC One X that came out last week!"
'Oh sweet lemme see that'
 
I don't see anything in that article that says about how people have been voting, just that Apple's made their design bigger (so saves less space) and that Apple is expected to use their design in 2013.
Yes, I agree. The article only implies one member perhaps voting for Apple.

The Finnish sites in their endless pessimism for Nokia success wrote more strongly based on Verge article that "it looks like Apple is going to win the vote".
 
Maybe. But Apple is all about being simple. If they're targeting non-techy people, imagine people going in an Apple Store in a couple years asking for an a previous gen iPhone - "I'll take the old New iPhone". How confusing will that get?

I'm not saying numbering things are the way to go, but using "New" in a product name seems asinine.

"New" is not part of the iPad product name, so it wouldn't be for the iPhone either. It isn't named "the New iPad". The box says "iPad". The back of the device says "iPad". The "New" is just part of the marketing.

Notice if you add it to your cart on Apple.com, it doesn't say "New iPad with Wi-Fi 64GB - Black". It says "iPad with Wi-Fi 64GB - Black (3rd generation)". The "3rd generation" is all you need to know, just like iMacs, MacBooks, MacBook Airs, now iPads and soon, iPhones.
 
I have the iPhone 4 and iPod touch 4,I like to hold my iPhone 4 by FAR!!

Same, I hate holding my friend's iPod Touch, even with the case on. By the way, haven't seen ya in a while i5 ;)

Hey, that's personal preference, but don't fool yourself, the iPhone 4 is clunky compared to the iPod Touch 4 (and I have a 4S, but some days long to have my 3GS back, if only for how ergonomic it felt in my hand).

Don't just say things to try to prove your point either, I reject any sort of contrarianism or blind allegiance.
 
Sim cards are old tech. Cellphone companies need to embrace the cloud. I don't remember the last phone I used that had a sim card.

Then you must be CDMA. GSM networks all use sim cards.
The part about sim cards I like is I can switch phones very easily with out doing any extra things.

An example of when I will switch my sim out of my phone is when I am going to go do a higher risk activity. I would rather crush an old phone than my current one.

That or I can switch between different phones.
 
wow, I think smaller is better....I like the ipod touch size/weight A LOT more than the iphone 4. I thought most would feel this way, but it seems a lot of ppl like the iphone size
 
I guess so, Apple isnt one for changing too much on tradition. Yes, the iPad name changed from numbers to the simple phrase, but the iPhone has been around much longer. Changing that tradition "almost" seems un-Apple like :)

Actually, only the iPhone 4 was ever a "numbered" release of the iPhone.
 
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Reckon this could be a lead up to the smaller designs of phone and/or iPad Apple would be probably switching to in the upcoming designs ?

The only reason i can think off..
 
I'm not saying numbering things are the way to go, but using "New" in a product name seems asinine.

Apple doesn't use "New" in any product name.

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Yeah, just completely ignore what I wrote after that. And again, that all makes sense when there is one model being sold at a time. Either way, they will at some point give it a number. They won't be calling the 2012 iPad the "New iPad" in 2013 when it is being sold side-by-side with the latest iPad (same with iPhone).

Sure they will. They'll say "The new iPad is here". Just like they are saying now.

Just like they said "The new MacBook Air". Are you confused and thinking "new" is part of the name ? You do realise Apple does this "The new XXXXXXXX" all the time right ?

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Now, are you saying the "old New MacBook Pro" ? Of course you're not.

I think you're making this way more complicated than it is. Apple is heading towards the simplest model possible : iPhone. Selling multiple generations at the same time ? It's going to be dead simple : iPhone (5th generation), iPhone (6th generation). And so on.
 
wow, I think smaller is better....I like the ipod touch size/weight A LOT more than the iphone 4. I thought most would feel this way, but it seems a lot of ppl like the iphone size

sure, but this new 'nano' sim from apple is going to gain you tiny fractions of a cc in space savings. Barely worth yet another change in standards. And the argument that you can retrofit it in older handsets isn't clear either - I've tried using passive plastic adapters for micro sims and they are not good to use
 
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