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Originally posted by orb
I guess I'm outside of the main demongraphic for these devices, but I'd be tempted by a device that did AM recording. I always seem to miss the few talk radio shows I listen to.

There's a handy dandy piece of shareware out there that'll record Shoutcast streams in an MP3 format. I've got it scheduled to record some of my favorite talk radio programs. All you've got to do is find a station that streams and you're set.
 
Some of you are acting as though this thing is new. Samsung announced it (without the Napster name) and all of the features nearly a year ago.
 
Originally posted by theipodgod16
I swear, these "analysts" are spewing the most illogical garbage i have heard all week.

That's the "analyst paradox"--if analysts were knowledgeable about the market that they analyzed, they'd be making fortunes in that market.

Originally posted by reedm007
Why oh why is the American consumer male? 😉

A linguistic quirk that people like to complain about, but when someone invents gender-neutral singular personal pronouns, they don't catch on.

Originally posted by Orome
Any giving any thought to this matter agrees that competition is good for consumers. I think it's a safe assumption to say that everyone here is a consumer and not a producer, so increased competition should be good for all of us.

Actually, most of us are actually both. We have jobs (i.e. we produce or supply labor) and we buy stuff (i.e. we consume or demand other things). It's the fact that most people are producers and not just consumers that allows the economy to continue without totally collapsing.

Apple is also a consumer because they buy things like aluminum and advertising space on TV.

So, strictly speaking, every person, corporation, or other entity except for children and welfare recipients are both consumers and producers 🙂
 
Just a thought

Originally posted by zync
BTW I've dabbled in some design and the only thing I really find fault with it's design it's it's non-intuitive interface (like the fwb/back buttons being vertical instead of horizontal as they should be). This is what Apple excels at, making things work and making them intuitive.

I may get flamed for saying this, as it may sound prejudice at first, but it really isn't- truly.
In many asian cultures, it's common for the language to be written and read in a top to bottom, or up/down fashion. Chinese is a perfect example of this. In the Western part of the world, Roman based languages go left/right, which is why it makes sense for us to think of backward/forward as, logically, left/right. Samsung is, if memory serves, a Korean company, yes? Then it's not wholly surprising that the design for back/forward for this device is up/down. Now, you may argue that this way of designing is just plain silly because of the target market, but I imagine the Samsung YP-whatever will also be sold overseas in asian countries.
Still, it appears Samsung needed to give a little more fore-thought to the design and who their largest market would be, namely the USA.

Again, I'm not intending to cause any offense with my remark, as I happen to have a strong liking of asian culture and languages, which is why I even thought of this in the first place.
 
Re: Just a thought

Originally posted by MM2270
I may get flamed for saying this, as it may sound prejudice at first, but it really isn't- truly.
In many asian cultures, it's common for the language to be written and read in a top to bottom, or up/down fashion. Chinese is a perfect example of this. In the Western part of the world, Roman based languages go left/right, which is why it makes sense for us to think of backward/forward as, logically, left/right. Samsung is, if memory serves, a Korean company, yes? Then it's not wholly surprising that the design for back/forward for this device is up/down. Now, you may argue that this way of designing is just plain silly because of the target market, but I imagine the Samsung YP-whatever will also be sold overseas in asian countries.
Still, it appears Samsung needed to give a little more fore-thought to the design and who their largest market would be, namely the USA.

Again, I'm not intending to cause any offense with my remark, as I happen to have a strong liking of asian culture and languages, which is why I even thought of this in the first place.

Nothing offensive in your post. In fact, it's a very good point: I never would have thought of it. Which shows how ethnocentric I am.

Thanks for the info.
 
Re: Re: Korean chic

Originally posted by hokka


"AND really! the Napster logo is too comical for anyone over 30 to be carrying around evrywhere, and for anyone to pull out a "toy" with this stupid cat all over the thing - everyone's gonna laugh at him/her... the more I look at it, the more this player looks like a Walkie Talkie for the Boy Scouts to carry around when they go camping in the back yard."

I could not agree more on this! As someone well above 30 who has just purchased an iPod two days ago, it is important that since I will be using this device in public that it looks professional, has the look (and feel) of precision electronics, and yes, has that all-too-elusive "cool factor". The last thing I need is that ridiculous "katt" logo and the appearance of impropriety, as the Napster lawsuit of many years ago still probably lingers in the minds of many people. (BTW - the sound of my iPod is great!)

Nothing's better than downloading music with iTunes and enjoying them on my iPod; no fuss, no muss; yes, IT JUST WORKS.
 
Originally posted by macMaestro
I totally agree. Who on Earth would buy a thing that ugly???

Oh, yeah. The same people who buy Dell.
Some of us do buy based on performance capabilities, not just gloss.
 
Re: Just a thought

Originally posted by MM2270
I may get flamed for saying this, as it may sound prejudice at first, but it really isn't- truly.
In many asian cultures, it's common for the language to be written and read in a top to bottom, or up/down fashion. Chinese is a perfect example of this. In the Western part of the world, Roman based languages go left/right, which is why it makes sense for us to think of backward/forward as, logically, left/right. Samsung is, if memory serves, a Korean company, yes? Then it's not wholly surprising that the design for back/forward for this device is up/down. Now, you may argue that this way of designing is just plain silly because of the target market, but I imagine the Samsung YP-whatever will also be sold overseas in asian countries.
Still, it appears Samsung needed to give a little more fore-thought to the design and who their largest market would be, namely the USA.

Again, I'm not intending to cause any offense with my remark, as I happen to have a strong liking of asian culture and languages, which is why I even thought of this in the first place.

Very interesting and informative post...this would lead me to believe that Apple succeeded once again with a wonderfully intuitive design with the circular scroll wheel...
 
Originally posted by iPC
Some of us do buy based on performance capabilities, not just gloss.

Apple's products combine both. Dell? Do you remember the iMac rip off ad? As shown it was ugly and as shown it did not match the iMac for features. oh. well.
 
Re: Just a thought

Originally posted by MM2270
I may get flamed for saying this, as it may sound prejudice at first, but it really isn't- truly.
In many asian cultures, it's common for the language to be written and read in a top to bottom, or up/down fashion. Chinese is a perfect example of this. In the Western part of the world, Roman based languages go left/right, which is why it makes sense for us to think of backward/forward as, logically, left/right. Samsung is, if memory serves, a Korean company, yes? Then it's not wholly surprising that the design for back/forward for this device is up/down. Now, you may argue that this way of designing is just plain silly because of the target market, but I imagine the Samsung YP-whatever will also be sold overseas in asian countries.
Still, it appears Samsung needed to give a little more fore-thought to the design and who their largest market would be, namely the USA.

Again, I'm not intending to cause any offense with my remark, as I happen to have a strong liking of asian culture and languages, which is why I even thought of this in the first place.

While this is true, it's not because of the language that my claim was based. Besides what would the device look like in Arabic cultures, back would be foward and foward would be back 🙂 Intuitive design is cross-cultural. This quandary is known as mapping and it refers to the UI of the device and how the controls correlate to what they do. Skipping songs is thought of in a previous/next manner which is related as a button layout that is horizontal to represent back and foward, I supposed to some this can be thought of as up being foward and down being backward but we tend to think of music being play linearly one after the other, which would prefer a horizontal arrangement. Conversely, we would think of volume as higher and lower which is why volume controls tend to be (nowadays anyway) in some sort of vertical arrangement. You do have a valid point though.
 
Oh and I didn't find your post offensive. I hope you take mine with the same regard 🙂 I do find this an interesting discussion as a class I just finished (it was a switch class where two professors switch classes at the midpoint of the semester) dealt with this topic.
 
Originally posted by LimeLite
The iPod will never have an FM tuner built in. Why not? Because, as anyone will tell you, they're crap. A cassette adapter is really the best way to go to get the best quality music in your car. I only recommend FM tuners to people who's cars don't have a tape deck.

The current MacAddict has an article on various iPod output devices and they concur, cassette adapters are the way to go. After reading it, I cancelled my iTrip order and spent the next hour trying to find a casette adapter in stock. I found them backordered everywhere except for the Sony model at the Apple Store.
 
Re: Re: Just a thought

Originally posted by zync
While this is true, it's not because of the language that my claim was based. Besides what would the device look like in Arabic cultures, back would be foward and foward would be back 🙂 Intuitive design is cross-cultural. This quandary is known as mapping and it refers to the UI of the device and how the controls correlate to what they do. Skipping songs is thought of in a previous/next manner which is related as a button layout that is horizontal to represent back and foward, I supposed to some this can be thought of as up being foward and down being backward but we tend to think of music being play linearly one after the other, which would prefer a horizontal arrangement. Conversely, we would think of volume as higher and lower which is why volume controls tend to be (nowadays anyway) in some sort of vertical arrangement. You do have a valid point though.

You make some very good points yourself. In fact, that's pretty much what i was trying to get at toward the end of my post. I think the left to right arrangement of controls, in particular for music, is somewhat universal. Hence, Samsung did not do enough research in this area to make something that will be logical to all users of the device. Your point about the volume being up/down is also dead on. That's a universally accepted notion. 🙂
 
Originally posted by Phil Of Mac

Actually, most of us are actually both. We have jobs (i.e. we produce or supply labor) and we buy stuff (i.e. we consume or demand other things). It's the fact that most people are producers and not just consumers that allows the economy to continue without totally collapsing.

Apple is also a consumer because they buy things like aluminum and advertising space on TV.

So, strictly speaking, every person, corporation, or other entity except for children and welfare recipients are both consumers and producers 🙂 [/B]

OK, let me clarify: how many people here are producers of digital music players? I would think not many, but judging from the price of an iPod and by reviews/comments across the board, there is a considerably high demand for iPods and the like. This means that there are a lot of consumers looking to buy these things, a lot of whom are reading sites like this one on a daily basis. If we are consumers of iPods, then any added competition on the supply side of the market for digital music players is good for us.

I suppose that you are right though: pretty much across the board, we are all a mix of producer/consumer to some degree. Without producers there can be no consumption and without consumption, there would be no producing. Take an Economics history class and you will find out fairly quickly that anytime one of these has been missing from the economy, the other soon follows and recessions (and sometimes depressions) soon after.
 
I never really liked Napster int he first place, it never seemed to work for me.
LimeWire and Kazzaa still operate and with a degree of operation.

Apple is the only company the has Hardware, Software, a Music store, Photo prints, MP3 players and the same time...
 
I was reading the C|Net reviews for this device and the first said that it was "swanky". At that moment, I knew it could not be for me, as I would never use such a word. 😀

The FM section is apparently weak and the FM transmitter is worse.

They were mentioning that it was hard to find songs within the player.

It all comes down to the name. Do people expect to be able to get free, full-quality music from the new Napster? I think all these supporters are going to be rudely awakened when they realise that it's just another service for pay.
 
Re: Re: Re: Just a thought

Originally posted by MM2270
You make some very good points yourself. In fact, that's pretty much what i was trying to get at toward the end of my post. I think the left to right arrangement of controls, in particular for music, is somewhat universal. Hence, Samsung did not do enough research in this area to make something that will be logical to all users of the device. Your point about the volume being up/down is also dead on. That's a universally accepted notion. 🙂

Thank you 🙂 It's nice to be appreciated 😀
 
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