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I bet Apple will do it in the next iPhone. Like the article says, the engineering is pretty trivial and pretty much already done, the functionality is included in the qualcomm baseband chip, and to a company like Apple it will add fractions of a penny to the cost of a phone. The pressure is on, and Apple usually aims to please.
...and I'd bet that Apple DOESN'T. Not for any financial or technical reason but simply because they don't want to... and they're now large enough that they don't HAVE to.
 
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I don't really understand why anyone would oppose integrating a basic FM radio functionality in cell phones. Puerto Rico was without cellular coverage for over a week after the hurricane. As a result, major parts of the population were completely in the dark for an extended period of time. Local radio stations continued to work and the authorities used them to coordinate food distribution and locate missing persons. There is little doubt that lives could have been saved if everyone had an FM radio in their pocket.

Cellular networks are more complex and thus more vulnerable, and often become congested to the point where they are useless in large scale emergency situations.
I think the point is that there are lots of things Apple could do to save lives. For example, up the battery size by 10% and X more people would have a working phone in an emergency who with the current models might have run out of battery at the wrong moment. You can either do a cost/benefit analysis of every feature and create a list sorted by cost efficiency or you can try to create public pressure by pushing an issue that looks efficient to the public.

(And this whole discussion might be moot anyway if the antenna issue cannot be solved.)
 
they used to and the argument is about adding fm radios to future iPhones

Right... they used to until they took the dang headphone jack out. Most phones use the headphone cable as an antenna and it works great. Maybe Apple could get some "courage" and and add it back, now that its been proven that its not about space, water proofing, etc...
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If I remember correctly the Nano used the headphone wire as an antenna for FM. There is no headphone jack anymore to receive analog FM signals with, so they would have to make a wired headset with circuitry to receive and convert FM signals to digital to be transferred over the lightning port. And will people really have wired headphones available in an emergency anyways given the popularity of wireless? Maybe now, but what about in 5 years?

I love a good pair of wired headphones, but the general public seem to prefer wireless.

You have been in the Apple bubble too long... plenty of people prefer wired headsets for some applications. Apple likes to take things away and call it a feature.
 
It will NEVER happen as long as Cook is CEO. FM Radio will NEVER happen. (way too much free content, no way to monetize.)
If thinking that makes you happy, all the power to you. But I think deep down you know exactly that the percentage of users that would use FM on a smartphone is way too small to have any significant effect on things like Apple Music subscribers.
 
Why do you people hate having an extra feature? What would be the matter activating the chip and requiring users to plug in headphones or a charging cable as an antenna if they want or need to use FM. The difference between having an extra device at home for disasters is that you most likely have your phone at hand most of the time and that you might have no more home to get your device from after a disaster.

Thing with FM is that (as other users already pointed out) it doesn't overload (ever been at a large accumulation of people like a festival, city event, sports match? Imagine being in a disaster zone with everyone trying to get internet connection) and that the frequencies get higher reach and are easier to deploy in temporary setups so there's more chance of you being able to receive radio or emergency services.

Also, DAB+ is a digital signal so it's either on or off and not just some reception which the guy from Switzerland should know from driving through tunnels so that again is fallible. Also, cars aren't build with DAB+ receivers, that still is a $500 extra feature that only rarely gets build into most cars apart from the richest markets.

Last but not least, I've never been to the US so I can't tell how ****** your radio stations are but FM radio still is a major thing across Europe with a large variety of quality stations. Most users listen to it while driving their cars, many have radios playing at home, in their kitchen or at work. At least here, FM isn't dead and that in parts is due to the technology difference of analog signals vs. digital and their issues. Also, this poses a good backup option for if digital systems really are down or reception is bad for some reason.
 
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Flashlight functionality also uses up the battery, and flashlights can be obtained separately very cheaply and would be more powerful and better...but the functionality is available and can be used on an iPhone nonetheless.
Sure, but 99.9% of the time the flashlight feature is used on an iPhone is not during power cuts but in a large variety of other situations. Case in point, I use the flashlight feature multiple times per week but never in my life have used it during a power cut (where I live, we haven't had a power cut in ten years or so and all but one of the power outages I have experienced during my life were during the day).

That's the reality, while features like the flashlight are useful in emergencies, they normally only get added if there is a significant use under normal conditions. Phones didn't get GPS to be used in emergencies, they got it for other purposes but once built-in it got used in emergencies as well.
 
Why do you people hate having an extra feature? What would be the matter activating the chip and requiring users to plug in headphones or a charging cable as an antenna if they want or need to use FM. The difference between having an extra device at home for disasters is that you most likely have your phone at hand most of the time and that you might have no more home to get your device from after a disaster.

Thing with FM is that (as other users already pointed out) it doesn't overload (ever been at a large accumulation of people like a festival, city event, sports match? Imagine being in a disaster zone with everyone trying to get internet connection) and that the frequencies get higher reach and are easier to deploy in temporary setups so there's more chance of you being able to receive radio or emergency services.

Also, DAB+ is a digital signal so it's either on or off and not just some reception which the guy from Switzerland should know from driving through tunnels so that again is fallible. Also, cars aren't build with DAB+ receivers, that still is a $500 extra feature that only rarely gets build into most cars apart from the richest markets.

Last but not least, I've never been to the US so I can't tell how ****** your radio stations are but FM radio still is a major thing across Europe with a large variety of quality stations. Most users listen to it while driving their cars, many have radios playing at home, in their kitchen or at work. At least here, FM isn't dead and that in parts is due to the technology difference of analog signals vs. digital and their issues. Also, this poses a good backup option for if digital systems really are down or reception is bad for some reason.


In the US, radio stations are still prevalent as you said. Same as you, many people listen in the car (because they will include traffic information) and doing other tasks. I do think the younger generations are moving away from this because they seem to be less interested in the news and such. Personally, there are times that I prefer the radio with the DJ being in there... vs. just song after song. The point is that FM radio is an emergency notification tool and we have had several events just in the last few months that it was important to people's lives.

I don't personally think that Apple will do anything on this unless the US government forces them to do it. After all, they had the courage to remove the hardware that would make it work.
 
Soooo...
FM Signals are about 2-4m.
therefore
FM requires a longish Arial to be good quality and reliable.
Nano uses headphone lead
iPhone has no headphone lead.
Possibly could work with lightning headphones or a lighting Ariel.
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It will NEVER happen as long as Cook is CEO. FM Radio will NEVER happen. (way too much free content, no way to monetize.)

You're right, of course, but beyond that, why would anyone want to listen to FM outside of an emergency? I think the only thing that keeps FM hanging on is the fact that it's free and easy to use in a vehicle, and *that* is why the NAB is desperate to get it into cellphones, which are (finally, much later than should have been the case) really becoming AM/FM wireless content replacement items in vehicles.
 
It doesn’t make sense to build an FM radio with antennas into phones just for emergency use. People would be better off getting a dedicated hand-crank radio for that and that wouldn’t necessitate design trade-offs for a fringe feature.
Hey, I have an idea: Why not require flashlights to have a built-in FM radio? Imagine how many lives could be saved if every flashlight had a built-in FM radio.
 
No, what the industry needs to do is create new cell towers with better technology that can reach just as far or further than an FM signal..

Thumbs up on that.

No because the point of it is for emergency information after a disaster when cell networks may not be functioning.

But your point proves too much. Those same storms take down AM and FM tx towers, as well as the power needed to keep them on the air. Some have backup power, but so do cell towers.
 
You said you don't want a radio on your phone. There's surely someone out there who similarly could say they don't care about and don't want a flashlight on their phone. Logical fallacy indeed.
Your logical fallacy is to not see the difference between a feature people use almost exclusively only during very rare (for any given person) emergencies (FM radio) and features that people use in their daily life (flashlight).
 
Soooo...
FM Signals are about 2-4m.
therefore
FM requires a longish Arial to be good quality and reliable.
Nano uses headphone lead
iPhone has no headphone lead.
Possibly could work with lightning headphones or a lighting Ariel.
Fixed - Apple can I have a job?

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ROFL... perfect.

The iAntenna... you can get it for $199. Of course it would need a dongle or it wouldn't work on an iDevice.

Or, since this looks almost like the Pencil charging... maybe turn the Pencil into an iAntennaPencil
 
Are you aware that all FM radio stations are "free" and Apple doesn't support them?

What supports "free" FM is endless commercials. I'll bet the average ratio of music to ads on commercial FM radio stations is roughly 3:1 or 4:1, which is a very poor listening experience.
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Your logical fallacy is to not see the difference between a feature people use almost exclusively only during very rare (for any given person) emergencies (FM radio) and features that people use in their daily life (flashlight).

This is mostly off the point, but I'm amazed at how many people use their cellphones as flashlights. But hey, no extra chips required!!! :D
 
Those same storms take down AM and FM tx towers, as well as the power needed to keep them on the air. Some have backup power, but so do cell towers.
One backup generator can cover (via an FM radio tower) an area maybe 50x larger than one backup generator can cover via one cell tower. Plus FM radio towers can reach (from areas that still have power) far deeper into areas without power than cell towers.
 
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Dear Ajit Pai,

The way you get companies to do things for the public good is to REGULATE THEM using YOUR GOVERNMENT-GRANTED POWER to do so. You are the head of the damn FCC, so if you want them to do it, make them! Groveling like a baby does not make companies do things voluntarily.

Signed,
The Taxpayers who want you to do your job and stop being an industry stooge.


If Apple does not want to add this functionality who is the government to require it is this instance
 
One backup generator can cover (via an FM radio tower) an area maybe 50x larger than one backup generator can cover via one cell tower. Plus FM radio towers can reach (from areas that still have power) far deeper into areas without power than cell towers.

Fair points with a decent antenna. As I posted earlier, I've used FM with a Nano and the reception was very limited, not at all like what you'd get from a decent portable or vehicle radio. And someone raised the question whether the current Lightning port arrangement could even support use of wired earbuds (which many people toss or lose) as an antenna.
 
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But your point proves too much. Those same storms take down AM and FM tx towers, as well as the power needed to keep them on the air. Some have backup power, but so do cell towers.

I believe you are incorrect. The functional infrastructure needed for a cell tower to be usable is not just the tower... its all of the internet, and the towers have very short reach. A radio station/tower can operate on emergency power with no other connection. So all they need is a generator and they are functional and cover a wide distance. In emergencies, at least in the US, radio is the primary means of communication. Most people have a radio laying around somewhere, but if you are not at home then the only thing you may have with you is your phone.
 
The ability of people to have and use separate flashlights didn't get in the way of that functionality being available on smartphones as well.
The difference is that people use the flashlight feature on smartphones in their daily lives quite frequently. They however hardly use the FM feature (that some smartphones have). Nobody added flashlights to smartphones for emergency purposes. Heck nobody even added them to have flashlight functionality. 'Flashlights' got added to smartphones to take pictures in low light situations. It even took a while for the flashlight feature being added to the OS despite the hardware being there already.
 
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Fair points with a decent antenna. As I posted earlier, I've used FM with a Nano and the reception was very limited, not at all like what you'd get from a decent portable or vehicle radio. And someone raised the question whether the current Lightning port arrangement could even support use of wired earbuds (which many people toss or lose) as an antenna.
Yeah, it is quite possible that the antenna effectively renders this whole discussion moot (can smartphones with FM radio use a USB charging cable as an antenna?).
 
The difference is that people use the flashlight feature on smartphones in their daily lives quite frequently. They however hardly use the FM feature (that some smartphones have). Nobody added flashlights to smartphones for emergency purposes. Heck nobody even added them to have flashlight functionality. 'Flashlights' got added to smartphones to take pictures in low light situations. It even took a while for the flashlight feature being added to the OS despite the hardware being there already.

There is a huge difference between a flashlight and an emergency communications channel.
 
I am entirely unbothered by the omission of FM (although confused as to why an FM chip was included in earlier iPhones if not intended to be used).
It came as a freebee with the cellular radio chip bought from Qualcomm. Think of it like LTE bands not in use in a particular country, yet the phones sold in this country still support them.
 
Dear Ajit Pai,

The way you get companies to do things for the public good is to REGULATE THEM using YOUR GOVERNMENT-GRANTED POWER to do so. You are the head of the damn FCC, so if you want them to do it, make them! Groveling like a baby does not make companies do things voluntarily.

Signed,
The Taxpayers who want you to do your job and stop being an industry stooge.

We already have too many government regulations, especially when consumers can make Apple do this.

Apple is hyper politically correct. What does that mean, it means that all we need to get it done is for the minority and LGBT communities to think its a good idea and it will happen. We need to expose the lack of safety in Apple devices without radio for situation like Puerto Rico, Florida, and Texas hurricanes. What is the one thing that people take with them when an emergency arises. Its the phone. This means that Apple has a higher responsibility for a phone then they did for an iPod. Lets make this a national issue and keep the government out of it.
 
Is that a serious question? Are you under the assumption that the government doesn't already impose regulations on mobile phones?

No I understand they do I’m asking in this particular situation I don’t think the FCC needs to force Apple
 
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