So what should we ban next? If it is a danger it should go right? Where do we stop. GPS, onstar, in dash dvd players.
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Nationwide Hands free Cell Phone Ban for Drivers Urged
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I'm sorry if I'm being blunt but for the most part it seems that this thread is:
people who don't want to be inconvenienced by this law vs. people who care about their and other people's safety.
people who don't want to be inconvenienced by this law vs. people who care about their and other people's safety.
Banning all cell phones from every car in the US is a lot more than an inconvenience.
It's already been pointed out to you that slippery slope reasoning isn't a valid argument.
Ok we have a cell phone ban, someone has a phone in the car, does a cop check to see when you last made a call. How do you enforce a blanket cell phone ban.
Where did you get the idea that you can't have a phone in a car?
You just won't be able to USE it in the car.
And that post had nothing to do with my question...
And who's proposing this method of enforcement? This law would have to compliment all other laws, including those regarding probable cause and search & seizure.
That's nothing but a straw man (which, I should point out, is not a valid form of argument).
Where did you get the idea that you can't have a phone in a car?
You just won't be able to USE it in the car.
And that post had nothing to do with my question...
If it is a hands free ban, and you are using car speakers to make a call how does a cop decide. Does he look for someone talking to themselves? How do you enforce it?
Of course not. But if they see you on your phone driving, you're gonna get it. We have a cell phone ban here, and I'm glad. I can't count the times I've almost been hit by a driver on their phone. Just about everyone I know has said the same has happened to them several times in the past. I haven't heard too many stories like that since the ban went into effect. Get a hands free headset if you really need to make a call.
Alas, I don't think they'll ever get such a ban--the quite powerful cellphone manufacturers will ensure such a ban will never come into place.
please, there are many more safe riders than those that arent
there are also magnitudes more drivers who talk on cell phones than those who split lanes
why are you eveb trying to talk about motorcycle riders as dangerous?. you dont get the point do you? i could say even as a car driver its dangerous to get hit by an idiot whos talking on the phone
i said motorcycle as there is alot more potential to get injured due to a simple fender bender than if i were in a car. i said as a motorcycle rider as i now have a greater appreciateion for road safety than i did when i just drove a car
why dont we argue about speeders, those who run red lights as well. i mean those activites are dangerous. who woulda thunk
you post is not relevant at all.
pissing and moaning? how about more like wanting laws that enact greater road safety
sorry if i value my life over another persons phone call. some people...
You want to get an appreciation for safety? Become a pilot. Not only are we expected to pay attention to what we are about to fly towards (keep your eyes on the road, so to speak) while also determining where we are trying to go (keep your eyes on a map and on electronic navigation aids, not all of which are as easy to use as GPS) and, horror of horrors, carry on a conversation on the "phone" while also getting weather information that must be used during the fight. And the "phone number" we need to talk on (VHF communication channel) as well as the one we need to navigate by (VOR navigation channel) is constantly changing. We don't have the luxury of just pulling over if things are happening too fast for us to keep up. Its called multitasking (as well as passing several tests that aren't a joke like a drivers license test... even a motorcycle one). Police already have the power to pull someone over for distracted driving. Rather than outright banning all use of the phone while driving, step up enforcement against those who show they clearly can't multitask, and let it be known that this will be an emphasis.
My job requires me to be accessible while in the car, so I have a bluetooth headset as a result. If they don't allow cell phone use in the car at all, I'd be happy with it. My employer would deal, and like others have mentioned, it'd give me a great excuse to screen my calls.
Do I think I can drive safely with a bluetooth headset? Yeah, but I also think I can drive safely at only a .08. And I certainly don't have any problem with that law.
Do I think I can drive safely with a bluetooth headset? Yeah, but I also think I can drive safely at only a .08. And I certainly don't have any problem with that law.
Hmm...then I don't support it. We allow hands free here, and it's been a long time since I've heard of any incidents. Gotta disagree with this, even as much as I hate cell phones.
No, it might mean that MacNut has made an honest assessment of what is distracting and what can be done safely for MacNut. And a one-size fits all approach removes the ability for police to use their judgement of whether any given individual can use the phone responsibly and still drive effectively, which would actually make things safer. If the problem is driving while distracted, then enforce laws against those doing so regardless of what it was distracting them. By all means air public service notices showing what distracted driving looks like and make a cell phone user one of the skits (kind of like the drunk driving commercials that have been on for the last couple of years with drivers in cars filled with booze), but don't single that one cause out and just ban it outright, cause then you still haven't actually gotten to the real problem.
The real fix would be to use system like Germany. You don't get a license until you actually can show that you know how to drive. And if you f* up, you don't drive any more. People would be forced to really assess their driving skills and stay away from situations that are beyond their ability.
How is that any safer? You don't get distracted by holding a phone to your ear. You get distracted by the conversation.
How many people are killed in car crashes every year? We should just ban cars. It would be a lot safer if everyone walked everywhere.
Banning everything is stupid. I'm sick of this nanny state ********.
Well FAA requires communication by law with planes. These calls are concerning the flight, not your kids problems at school. See the difference? One distracts from flying and one encourages more attention to it. Not to mention that communication in no way is needed to operate a car, while it is for a plane....
Me thinks the requirements to be a pilot and to drive a car are just an itsy bitsy different, as are the regulations and area density of other vehcles around
Do you talk to passengers in your car? Yes. I don't see a problem with hands-free devices. It was having to hold something with one hand that makes it dangerous in my book. Both hands need to be available in the event of possible emergency.
Says the guy from the state that just got marijuana decriminalized
That was done by the voters.
It's the retarded government who thinks they should ban everything to keep us "safe". Most of the congress here opposed the marijuana decriminalization. But to get back on topic...Put the question to the voters. Congress shouldn't be able to pass laws that infringe on our rights like this.
I'm pretty sure you can control a steering wheel fine with just one hand.
People should be responsible enough to follow safe driving practices, but they're not. I am absolutely against a blanket ban on wireless mobile communications. I have been using handafree for much longer than the law has dictated, and I absolutely support that local law and the text ban, but this new law is ridiculous. Eating, windshield mounted GPS, and children all present a far more active safety risk. This type of suggested legislation is by and large a revenue generator. Talking on the cell phone is pretty easy to spot, and its an easy $90 for the local municipality for the officer's six minutes.
The science contradicts your opinion. It's not holding the phone that's the distraction, it's talking on the phone that's the problem. This notion is very well supported among the scientific community, and can be found in the articles posted earlier in this thread.
People drive poorly while talking on the phone because they're distracted by the conversation, not because they don't have two hands on the wheel. Think about it: when you saw a driver distracted by a cellphone, were they currently in the midst of an emergency driving maneuver, or were they having difficulties performing normal driving procedures? In most instances, I would expect that latter to be the case. Hence, the current hands-free law is completely bogus.
Also, talking with passengers is an entirely different phenomenon, and our minds handle the process differently.
This is where I believe your argument, or the science, to be flawed, a conversation is a conversation. If anything, I get more involved when the person is present because I will talk with my hands and glance over at them.