your forgetting that dunking is his job. He also gets rebounds and assists. He's a center, read in to what he has to do 
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your forgetting that dunking is his job. He also gets rebounds and assists. He's a center, read in to what he has to do
how about when compared to shaq, robinson, duncan, hakeem, abdul jabber, ewing, hes a little lacking in the skills department
id take camby over howard any day as my center.
how about when compared to shaq, robinson, duncan, kakeen, abdul jabber, ewing, hes a little lacking in the skills department
Kakeen? He's not in his prime yet? All of those people played way longer than Dwight and then people started recognizing them, Dwight's starting early.
no.. people take time to be recognized, for example Michael Jordan. Seriously Marcus Camby over Dwight Howard? Dwight Howard is a better rebounder/shot blocker than him. I'm not a huge fan of Dwight Howard but for you to say something like that is stupid.
Ah that's right. It wasn't a cross-over. I just Youtube'd it.
Still though. It does take a bit of skill for a centre, or any player, to do that against a 1st Team Defensive Player.
Because some of you people seem to think centers don't need to know how to make small hook shots or layups. Because some of you seem to think that centers don't need to do anything besides dunk it and get rebounds. It's pretty clear to anyone who knows basketball that Dwight Howard is not a particularly skilled basketball player. It's not like I'm espousing something that's controversial. He's just not that good in the skills department. His physical...situation, though, partially makes up for his extreme lack of talent.
I mean, you guys are proclaiming that the next Shaquille O'Neal is the one that just got roundly outplayed by Pau Gasol. Pau is a wonderful player, but do you guys have any idea how much Shaq would have murdered Pau in his prime?
EDIT: Actually, now that I think about it, Pau is a perfect example. Pau is amazingly skilled. Dwight Howard is not. Pau is not that physically gifted or imposing, Dwight is. You see the difference in how they play, right? Pau has touch around the basket, he can dribble pretty well, he's a good interior passer. He can make hook shots with his left and right hands while he's off balance. He can shoot the mid-range J. Howard can't do any of those things nearly as well as Pau can. He can just run past people and dunk. It's exciting, yes, but those two players are a perfect illustration of my "Dwight Howard has no basketball skills" point.
@dmr: We're not talking about college football yet because you don't want to hear me say how amazing USC is every post in every thread on this forum...yet.
Jordan actually has a developed game. Howard doesn't....not even close. He's just a freak physically
And yes, Camby over Howard for a team that doesnt revolve around a center as in the Nuggets
@Badandy: dead on
I think Blake Griffin is WAY overhyped.
Here are my top rookie prospects:
1. Johnny Flynn - PG
-He's a tough, determined, hard working point guard who led his team to the Semi-finals of the Big East tournament, and to the Sweet 16.
2. Ty Lawson - PG
-Reminds me of Deron Williams, and Isiah Thomas, Oscar Robinson.
3. Taj Gibson - PF
-I saw him go 12/12 or whatever he did, against Boston College in the tournament, and he was astonishing. He reminds me of a young Kevin Garnett or Carlos Boozer.
Here are my top rookie prospects:
1. Johnny Flynn - PG
-He's a tough, determined, hard working point guard who led his team to the Semi-finals of the Big East tournament, and to the Sweet 16.
2. Ty Lawson - PG
-Reminds me of Deron Williams, and Isiah Thomas, Oscar Robinson.
3. Taj Gibson - PF
-I saw him go 12/12 or whatever he did, against Boston College in the tournament, and he was astonishing. He reminds me of a young Kevin Garnett or Carlos Boozer.
How can you say Griffen is overhyped yet say Flynn, Lawson and Gibson are better? Did you actually watch OU play at all?
Being a Jayhawk fan, I have had to see 3 awesome Big 12 freshman (sophmore in griffens case) in a row tear up the country in Durant, Beasley, and Griffin.
Griffin was the most dominant out of the 3 imo
Everyone forgets that Phil Jackson is the absolute best at controlling ego's. That's his biggest strength, he's not an x's and o's coach, never has been ,he's surrounded himself with great x's and o's assistants to help him. He's a motivator and a great judge and controller of personalities. He would of never agreed to take on Artest if he didn't know what he was doing.
I think they'll co-exist fine.
I totally agree with this. Fantastic role player. I really disagree with Kobe being ineffective after 2 years ago. The jump shot is the last thing to go, his defense and driving may suffer but he will still be a big time scorer.
LOL - very true man. The good news is that we've all seen this before. You guys will go on and on about how you're fielding the best team CFB has ever seen, then proceed to lose two games to teams you have no earthly business losing to.
LOL - very true man. The good news is that we've all see this before. You guys will go on and on about how you're fielding the best team CFB has ever seen, then proceed to lose two games to teams you have no earthly business losing to.
But then dominate all the good teams and exceed expectations in the end by killing whoever we're playing in a BCS bowl game only to have sport-show hosts throw out the "I think USC has a good case..." line that everyone in the country hates to hear. Oh well.
Dynamyk: I know the jumpshot is the last to go but I don't like the development of his shot through his career. He's gotten a little better at picking his spots (right elbow, every time), but his percentages on jumpers are pretty low. His 3 point percentage, for all the raving about his shot, is really not that good. He has a lot of NBA games on his legs and he's getting super tired, especially near the end of the season. I see him being like Kevin Garnett in a couple years. The skill will still be there, but he'll be battling his body.
Mistah Sheep: I go to USC, so I've watched every home game Taj Gibson has played in college and I'll tell you: He's no Kevin Garnett. What he is, though, is a very solid forward with long arms, good rebounding numbers, and a surprisingly good mid-range game. He definitely won't be a star in the NBA, but another role player would be about right. I hope he succeeds and I enjoyed watching him completely dominate Tyler Hansborough two years ago in the sweet-16 only to have him foul out on completely bogus calls and have Psycho-T light us up at the end of the game...
Jordan played a way different position........
Howard is good inside the paint, thats what he does.
Camby over Howard, No.
The magic have other people, including Rashard Lewis. That guy is amazing. Now Vince.
you were the one that said it took a while for Jordan to be recognized, not me.....
Yea, all Howard can do is dunk. No one is denying that. He just isn't as skilled as many other centers
Lewis is good as is Carter but then again, we are just saying Howard isn't greatly skilled, just a freak of nature physically
you were the one that said it took a while for Jordan to be recognized, not me.....
Yea, all Howard can do is dunk. No one is denying that. He just isn't as skilled as many other centers
Lewis is good as is Carter but then again, we are just saying Howard isn't greatly skilled, just a freak of nature physically
Yeah thats what I said and you said he had more of a devolped game, they played different positions.
Thats why he's the leading center in the NBA now.
He's a beast of course, but he knows how to use it. Thats why he's skilled. I know some people that are young but huge. The only thing they lack is coordination and skill. Dwight Howard doesn't need to have a mid-range game. All he needs to do is take it in. His paint is his home.
yea thats what we are saying, he doesnt have any game outside of that as many other centers do
Yeah, but he's not atrocious. He's tall,huge, freakishly huge, but he knows how to use it.
Dwight Howard actually isn't even good in the paint. The paint is an area beyond right under the basket and he fails unless he's able to dunk. If the opposing center has any foot skill and can keep him from gaining position when they drop the ball into him, he fails. He literally has no shot. No hook, no jumper, no fadeaway, nothing. Great shot blocker and fouler though.
Just think about that one for a second. But I really don't see even one's that are supposedly good on their feet doing a whole lot to stop him, say Dirk, I realize he may not be a "true center." The man is 7' tall.
Gasol did a mighty fine job during the finals. Howard wasn't really even a side note in that series final except for what he didn't do.
Because he was in foul trouble. I mean the way to get Howard to stop being effective was fairly known. Drive to the hoop and shoot, yeah you are going to get blocked and embarrassed a couple of times, but he was going to be on the bench pretty quick.
My point was more towards the lack of centers that have "good feet" or at least better athleticism then Mr. Howard.
Well you are correct there. Though I'm not sure if it's a lack of quality centers or if just the ones we know and love only come across once ever 20 years.