Need a mac but cannot afford one, please help

Discussion in 'Mac Pro' started by Debenex, Oct 7, 2013.

  1. Debenex macrumors newbie

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    Hello People i was wondering as a college student in only level 2 media (this is not higher education so i cannot get the student discount), i was wondering if anybody could give me any ideas on how to earn money to buy these machines,The reason I need a Mac pro or just a high level iMac is because for my future job i want to be a video editor I need my own mac instead of just using the college's one's because I learn more on my own I want to use programs like final cut pro X (or 7 which ever i chose) to make a good portfolio of work to show to companies, In England there are currently no jobs for people of my age (i'm 17) and i currently have a crappy samsung laptop incapable of even playing Minecraft. can people please give me an idea of what to do to get the money to pay for the high priced equipment and software needed to make my future so i don't have to be stuck in a dead end job all my life.

    Many thanks

    -Debenex
     
  2. hallidc macrumors 6502

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    There must be some sort of job you could acquire whether it be working at McDonald's or your local supermarket. Reading that there are no jobs for for an individual at 17 seems a bit... odd if I must say so myself. Be innovative, be creative, if you really want something you'll find ways of being able to obtain it.
     
  3. -Eden macrumors member

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    Idea on how to earn money to purchase your own machines? Get a job..

    Wait till you get a ACTUAL job, then purchase a machine. Example: Puchasing a spec'ed out iMac now. In maybe 5-7 years you will get a real job. 5-7 years is a lot for technology to grow.
     
  4. GoCubsGo macrumors Nehalem

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    You do not need a Mac, you need a job.
    You don't need a Mac to get your dream job in 5-7 years. You will eventually get a job (go look for one) and save up for the Mac you want.

    There are likely jobs for kids your age but you have to be willing to do something you're not thrilled about before you get that dream job.
     
  5. Debenex thread starter macrumors newbie

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    I don't expect to get my dream job immediately i just want a job what can help me get money to buy a mac so i can teach myself how to edit properly as i learn better on my own rather than someone telling me what to do, it's not as if i want one just for stupid stuff like video games, i wan't one some one day i can have my dream job and i have always been told its better to learn young as your you grow neurons quicker while young (tbh a year ago i vowed never to get a mac, now look at me wanting a part time job just to be able to afford one. :apple:
     
  6. gavinstubbs09 macrumors 65816

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    Here's what I've done. I'm not even 16 yet (but very close, later this month) and I would buy computers cheap and resell them. This is how I ultimately started buying macs and after I had enough I bought a MacBook Air. Like for example in the past I've bought a Dimension 2400 for $10 and sold it for $75, or a iMac G4 I bought for $50 and sold for $150.

    Buy cheap. Sell high.
     
  7. CelestialToys macrumors 6502

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    As others have said, there are jobs out there in the uk for 17 year olds, it's those of us that are in our 30s upwards that are struggling.

    You probably have a McDonalds, Starbucks, Burger King, Subway etc etc near you and these places are always hiring 17 year olds for part time work, they might not have an ad in the window but go in and ask and you'll almost certainly get hired.
    Supermarkets like Tesco are also nearly always hiring part time staff, again they might not be advertising but just go in and ask.

    Also, as an added bonus for when you get a part time job, you are entitled to student discount at Apple even tho you're not yet at university.

    I'd also suggest that if you want a career in video editing then you want to aim to get yourself to Uni and get a relevant degree as this will not only give you a qualification in what you want to do but will open up all the networking opportunities which are absolutely vital to break into this kind of field.

    You also don't need a bang up to date Mac whilst you are learning, pretty much anything from 2010 onwards will last you whilst you learn your trade and there are plenty of secondhand bargains out there..

    Good Luck
     
  8. Gav Mack, Oct 7, 2013
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    Gav Mack macrumors 68020

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    As others have said you need graft first before you can get expensive machines like Mac Pro's. Like the other young lad on here I started buying and selling computers on the side when I got my first job as a civil servant which I hated but it was a means to an end, though I was selling mac cube parts and 8086 computers back in the late 80's. I didn't have the internet and eBay back then either!

    I soon left my desk job and went into IT full time and have never looked back. My friends son was in a similar position though older but when he turned 18 he walked into an apple store and got a job and now works for apple part time whilst he's at uni and full time during the holidays. For a skint student he's filthy rich compared to his fellow students ;-)

    I've found here in the UK if you want to do something hard enough you have to go and get it yourself and don't lose hope if you get knocked back - keep trying and it will work out for you!

    One sad thing about the future of the video industry is since Apple shafted FCP 7 users with Final iMovie Cut X they have stuffed their loyal customers. Most I hear have or are considering switching to Avid instead.
     
  9. thekev macrumors 604

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    You may want to think a bit more on your priorities. The first projects you turn out are unlikely to be things you want to show in a portfolio. As for software, I wouldn't pick up FCP 7 today. It's unknown how long it will be supported. There will be people who use it for many years, but you shouldn't pay attention to an EOL'd product. How many people still remember Shake?
     
  10. snarfquest macrumors regular

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    Not that every one can do this, or would want to.. every path is different. However, they all likely start with #1 - a good education and #2 - getting a job.

    Granted I am now 46 years old but I remember clearly how I got to where I am now.

    At age 12 I was spending all my time at a friends house (Apple ][) and at Radio Shack (TRS-80). Just "playing" until I got kicked out.

    By age 15 and a 1/2 I got a letter of permission from my parents to work as an underage kid (minimum was age 16). So I got a job in the local ComputerLand repairing IBM PCs and Epson printers. I eventually saved enough money to buy a computer and I bought an Apple ][e. Even though I worked at ComputerLand!

    By age 17 I was entering College as a Math/Computer Science major. I transferred my ComputerLand job to a new ComputerLand near my University. Then some true luck struck.

    In school I was a CS Major learning Unix/VMS/Shell scripting/C/Pascal/Mod-2. At the computer store I was learning Novell. In after school classes I got my CNE and very quickly after that CNI and category II CNI. That's the highest level instructor certification Novell had at the time. This was when Novell Netware was version 2.0a. The University I was attending school at bought Novell and I become not only the person that did the install but also was teaching the very same Professors that I was learning C/VMS/etc from. It was a very odd relationship.

    By time I turned 20 I transferred to.... well I choose not to say specifically where but a very large University on the east coast of the USA with a huge presence in Math, Astro-Physics, and computer science. I switched majors to Astro-Physics and now 26 years later I'm well... very happy still working for the very same school I attended.

    What's my point? Go get a job. If I were you my first job application would be to the local Apple store. If they turn you down just keep going to every Computer store in town no matter how big or small.
     
  11. td2243 macrumors 6502

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    Hey bro, I'm 41 and still work in retail two days a week. You do what you have to do to make life work in the direction you want it to go. There is no job on earth that any of us is better than. Show up on time, do the best you can and complain as little as possible. Do that and every boss will love having you on staff.

    If it helps, in 1989, I bussed tables and washed dishes to buy an Eventide Harmonizer for my electric guitar. That was $2600 and I was making $3.50 an hour. That works out to about a jillion hours. Hang in there and make it happen.
     
  12. OS6-OSX macrumors 6502a

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    Things to do:
    1. Compile a list of software needed for your "future" job
    2. Search online (including this forum) for the MP used with these apps
    3. Research 1,1 vs 2,1 vs 3,1 vs 4,1 vs 5,1 pertaining to future OS' and upgrading.
    4. Search online for prices of that MP after you narrow the list to a specific MP
    5. Search again after the nMP/6,1 new Mac Pro is released. There may be unbelievable fire sales!
    Just a few sites to start with:
    http://www.usedmacs.us/?name=Used-Mac-Pro&Scategory=1077648508
    http://www.powermax.com/parts/code/PM_CU_MP
    http://www.macofalltrades.com/Refurbished-Used-Apple-Mac-Pros-s/298.htm
    http://www.dvwarehouse.com/Apple-Mac-Pro-c-5210.html
    http://www.megamacs.com/new_show_cat.php?magic=ADT-MacPro
     
  13. OS6-OSX macrumors 6502a

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    What is Shake!:)
     

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  14. Snowshiro macrumors 6502

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    1. Get a 2006 Mac Pro 1,1 and a cheap used monitor.
    2. Install Chameleon
    3. Install either Mountain Lion or Mavericks using the well documented process.

    You have a machine that will run any video software you care to mention. It won't be that fast, but it'll still work, and you're hardly likely to be editing feature length 4K if you're just starting out.

    When you get a little more cash together you can upgrade the processors to X5355s, add some RAM and get an SSD and you'll have yourself a pretty decent 8 core machine that will still pull its weight.
     
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    I bought my first ZX at age 8 with money I earned working odd jobs(not paid by the folks either)
    There's no replacement for hard graft, you sound like most of Englands doll population whinging about no work where foreigners are moving across in droves because there is so much opportunity.
     
  17. ElectronGuru macrumors 65816

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    This. Put together the slow capability, figure out what you are doing, hire yourself out, reinvest what you make into better equipment. You've already got the hard part, knowing what you want. Now is just doing it.
     
  18. Jessica Lares macrumors G3

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    You don't need a $1,000+ machine for video editing. And don't be so attached to a single program, because they DON'T teach you Final Cut in a video course, they teach you a cross-platform industry standard.

    Why? Because not everyone likes Macs, and because they aren't teaching you a program, they're teaching you a workflow that is the base of what you use the program for - To edit and render video.

    And while you CAN learn this stuff on your own, it's important that you have guidance. You need to have a teacher tell you that what you are doing may or may not be good in the long run. If I didn't have my instructor tell me that I shouldn't be smoothing faces individually in Maya, I'd still be doing it and would have to deal with working around the issues from doing modeling that way.

    Same thing applies when working with audio, because you can REALLY mess things up when trying to take a shortcut.

    So I really advise you to try and make some time to use a lab at your school if you can (and there really should be a way you can do this - ask if in doubt, it doesn't hurt you, it makes people know you're actually really interested). You will get more from the experience of having someone there to help you then just working alone.

    Another thing I will say is that sometimes having a low end machine is beneficial. Because to begin with, you don't want to throw a whole 1 hour thing into one file. You want to edit it in stages, and then combine it altogether when you're done. The limitations help you to be a smarter editor. Any $500 Windows 7 machine will handle this just fine. None of the Windows machines at my college are fancy Intel Core i7s.

    Our end of the semester animation renders were 720 x 486 by the way. They won't make you do 4K or anything crazy like that. And honestly, it took me 10 hours to render out on my i5, and then some people left machines on at school to render overnight. So much for power, ha.

    But what I'm trying to get across is that the general knowledge you gain in a video course will be miles better than the investment of a nice computer and software to go along with it. Immerse yourself in lots and lots of material - Read articles, blog posts, books, message boards, and watch lots and lots of lectures, talks, and demonstrations. You will be one step ahead of thousands of people.

    Learning the basic tools, the workflow, and just getting the general gist of being organized, having outlines, storyboards, animatics, etc, is more important than the software you use to get the final product. You can be a pro at Final Cut, but if your work just plain sucks, you're not going to get ANYWHERE, period, and that is the BIG problem in the industry right now. People KNOW the software, but the heart and soul just isn't there.

    You need to learn how to communicate ideas, be a good storyteller, and worry less about the software. Software is like a canvas and the tools are like brushes, and you should be able to change it up when appropriate.

    To any employer, it will be more impressive that you can easily pick up a program and get to work in it without any other prior knowledge except a basic UI overview. And that's basically how I work. I gained the initial experience in Maya, and now can easily put that experience into Blender, Cinema 4D, Modo, and whatever else. Same thing with most illustration and photography programs.
     
  19. thekev macrumors 604

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    Unless it absolutely MUST be a mac, I would just go with something also available on Windows. The only way I might suggest a hackintosh as a temporary measure would be if the OP's current system uses somewhat "hackintosh friendly" hardware.

    Not to drag it off topic, but they were one of the first to really delve into composite functions via nodal systems. It's much more flexible than layer based systems due to the ability to feed specific nodes into others rather than rely on complex hierarchies that are much less editable. Much of the time applications that rely on layer structures require you to duplicate such layers for minor fine tuning in order to avoid conflict. The system of grouping can just become tedious if unexpected changes are requested where a tree-type dependency graph has so much more strength. I want to multiply this, this, and that by 1.2 Bam! Don't even get me started on how disjointed paint applications are with the need to check color clipping on any given conversion.



    I would say pick something popular, learn the layout of the application, then concentrate on the subject of editing rather than just the software itself. FCPX or Premiere are probably easy starter ones along with maybe After Effects or Nuke depending on end goals. I think Nuke has a student version, and learning something with a displayed dependency graph will help establish a level of comfort with that kind of system.
     
  20. dexum175 macrumors member

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    Sell what you don't need, and save as much as you can.
     
  21. Cubytus macrumors 65816

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    There's not a chance this is realistic. Buying low and selling high in the world of (especially) PC-based machines is next to impossible, unless you spend considerable amounts of time for replacement part and quickly sell the whole before its value falls too low. And time, at 15, or 16, or 17, you don't have. School should take all your time.

    Everybody is struggling in my city. Be they 20's, teens, or 30's. No wonder poverty level is so high here.

    If you are aiming for university, don't count on any number of hours on a minimum-wage job to pay it. If your parents didn't get the bright idea of putting money aside from your birth each month, or if you come, like many others, from a middle-class family, forget about your dream. It's that, or you'll end up ruined until well past reproductive age. Education costs unreasonable amounts of money to individuals, yet return on investment is dwindling fast, unless you're training for a guaranteed job such as MD, vet, or dentist.

    There is a reason why Quebec's student fought to keep education affordable for all, even if many still have trouble paying for it. They will just have less of it compared to other countries where fees are disconnected from daily reality.

    On the other hand, I do agree with above poster that you definitely don't need such a machine to train on video edition, even HD. A maxed-out i5 or C2D MBP (preferably 15" for the dedicated GPU) would do a fine job, albeit slower than a full-fledged iMac.

    I stopped reading here. You're "Old Economy snarfquest". Your experience is irrelevant in 2013.

    ...actually Apple Store turn down even moderately experienced salespeople and Apple enthusiasts and savvys. Do you really expect them to hire a 17 guy who never had a Mac?

    Last time I looked, Apple-based solutions were THE industry standard.

    I think the OP stated he wanted to add additional practice time at home while going to college during the day. Nothing wrong with that, although if he get bad habits, they will be difficult to undo later on.

    Huh, no. A $500 Windows 7 machine will lead you to the desktop in 45 seconds, and peacefully navigate from one app to another, manatee-style. Oh, and this setup will require you wear earplugs at all times. Stay away from any homebuilt PC that is not at least $800 (says the guy who had four of them and will prefer to walk than going back to these inefficient piles of silicon).

    Well, it is not strictly necessary to have a powerhouse at home, but much like learning a foreign language, if you're never using it outside of class, you'll never learn it properly. Having a fast enough (though not lightning fast) machine is like having a broadband Internet connection vs. having a dial-up modem: you are simply much more efficient in your looking for information and learning (on smaller renders of course) of the workflow. Similarly, a better-organized, more beautiful UI does help one work more efficiently. The brain doesn't like extraneous information intruding in an already-complicated workflow.

    That is actually very wise an advice.
     
  22. koban4max macrumors 68000

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    get a PC. Work...

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    ask tim cook.
     
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    Sell your wife, stash, bike, try selling your mom.
     

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