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Get a good dSLR like D70: that system will grow with your family: it's a good investment. Photos are one of most families' most valued posessions.

DV's are getting very reasonable; if you're on a budget, consider becoming chummy with an acquaintance that owns one and borrow it from time to time.
 
stubeeef said:
Ok I hope I'm in the right forum.

I am looking at a new dig camera cause my mom wants mine (old canon s30 works great).

I really like video capability when I need it (3 small children) and don't want to buy a dv camcorder, I want one do-it-all unit.

I have looked at everything from the slim sony t-33 to the canon S2 IS (which I like) but am weary from shopping. Can I get one of you guys/gals to help me narrow it down, or tell me to wait cause you are aware of one coming soon that will be better. If I would buy today, probably get the Canon S2 IS even though I want a smaller form factor. I really only need 3mp but want continuous video shooting mode too and small form factor with quick recovery on flash pics and a min of 3 optical zoom. And a partridge in a pear tree! :p

If you have bought the canon or sony please let me know what you think, if you have something like I want and like it, let me in on it! THANKS!

Canon SD300 - 4MP, continuous movie mode. Li Ion Battery. Works great with iPhoto and iPod Photo. Around $300. I am very pleased with mine. Only down side is the need for a BIG sd card if you want to use the movie mode for long clips. 5+ minutes at 640x480, 30 frames/min = 1Gig card.

Wow, that is the ugliest avatar, nightmares coming.
 
ITASOR thanks for the input but the olympus has no sound, my wife is a music teacher and my kids are in multiple choirs and chorus'. Sound is a must, but will accept mono if need be.

The pentax is interesting, thanks Katie.

I do like the sd200 and sd300 and there is an olympus my coworker turned me on to last night. Will be crusing camera stores on the Magnificent Mile over the next few days, as well as Mall of America, so keep the ideas coming, this is great!

I am looking for 3-4 mp still camera with a min of 3x optical zoom, and unlimited movie clips with atleast 340X160 resolution (like 640x320) form factor is fairly important, my wife would like the sd200 and 300 from canon or kodaks cx7430 based on form factor, I would step up the the S2 IS from canon because of the zoom and image stabalizer. Of course the S2 is hundreds more, and to get a 1gb card is more $$. I would like AA battery capability too if possible. The stills have to be pretty good unlike some of the word I get on the Sony T33 series.
 
spinne1 said:
For what it's worth, I just got my first digital camera, a Nikon Coolpix 5700 off ebay for $350 and I am very impressed with it. It takes amazing pictures and has a movie mode (60 seconds). You can also use external flashes, and external lenses with it (only a few, but hey, you can do it). All in all, one of the best purchases I've ever made. Oh yeah, it is 5 megapixels and has an 8x optical zoom.
I have the same camera. I really like it. Small, but does what you want from it. Very good pic quality. Easy to set the white balance. I would invest in at least 512 Mb SD card. i think mine came with 32 or 64.
 
Go for Sony cameras. I love them because they are FAST! After getting used to the speed of Sony cameras, I'd never be able to use a slower camera like say a Canon. Although Canon's have great image quality, they just seem slugish. And yes it's not the specific models, Sony cameras seem more resposive like when you press the buttons and after you taker a picture they are very fast so you can take another picture much faster than other brands.
 
there are a number of Sony's I have been interested in but most have the small dime sized lens that don't let enough light in to keep the shutter speed up enough to keep indoor pics from getting some blur.
I have been very interested in the Sony M series with the 3in screen and mpeg4 that keeps the movies well compressed. If the lens were bigger I would jump on it in a heart beat.
 
Not sure how old your children are, etc.; however, I had to recently make the same decision for our newborn son.

First, I'll try to answer your question, then I'll give you a personal recommendation which may/may not fit.

Your question: I bought my wife the Canon SD300 (4 MP) for Valentines day. The new SD500 is reportedly a real nice machine, as well. The SD300's pictures are very good; however, I do detect some noise even at relatively low ISO compared to my dSLR. Of course, such a comparison is probably unfair. The SD300 gives a small degree of control; however, it's doesn't provide any true manual control - it's a good P&S camera. The shutter lag (as w/most P&S) bugs me, but I don't know if you can get around that issue as the autofocus motors, etc. may all be limiting factors in such a small package. I've heard good things about the Casio Exilms (sp?); however, I have no firsthand knowledge. The websites listed by others are excellent resources to do research and view sample photos.


Personal recommendation: if you enjoy photo-/videography as a hobby, then you might be better off going with a dSLR & mini DV camcorder. As an example, I was going to get a simple P&S digicam; however, I was disappointed with the quality of the P&S pics & the shutter lag. I picked-up separate still & video cams for the following reasons:

1. dSLR: much better quality & flexibility (larger CCD/CMOS = less noise) and no start-up or shutter lag. These items were important because
  • P&S CCD/CMOS are much smaller than those on dSLRs = more noise and problematic enlargements on P&S pics (if you plan on enlarging.
  • Different cam mfg bias their CCD/CMOS for oversaturation/warmth to make the pics look "better" - I wanted a true representation and dSLRs tend to be more accurate from a color/tonality perspective.
  • Shutter/start-up lag: the P&S I tried all had bad shutter lag - to the point I'd be recomposing my next shot before the first shutter had been released. Kids/children are fast-moving objects (or at least their expressions are) - I didn't want to miss critical moments, so minimal shutter lag was important.

2. mini DV: the quality of using a still digicam for movies (or a mini DV for stills) results in compromises (at least at this point in their development, based upon my research). Therefore, I bought a separate mini DV camcorder for movie purposes. I'm actually pleasantly surprised by the high quality mini DV can create these days - it exceeded my expectations. While I've captured a bit of DV, I can't say I've used FCE yet to edit and burn DVDs...but I hope to soon.


I might be suffering from "new parentitis" - trying to capture every moment for posterity (I hear the disease wanes with add'l children); however, I haven't regretted going separate dSLR & mini DV...albeit we still use a P&S when lugging a dSLR isn't practical...

At the end of the day, though, I've seen (and read) good things about the Canon, Nikon and Casio P&S. I have direct experience with the Canon SD300 (and have tried the S70 & S60 (discontinued?)) and have been pleased with their results.

Good luck and PM me if I can answer any questions.
Frank

edit: An idea if you want to compare cams - see what type of card your top choices use and go to a photo shop and take some test shots with your own card...then take the card home and compare side-by-side.
 
update.

Seems the canon s2 is would be perfect for me if it used mpeg4.

The Olympus C-770 is starting to come into view as a good compromise. MPEG4 compression allows you to put atleast twice and somecases 4x more movie in the same space. Like 33 min on a 512 sd card!

Anyone using or know someone with this camera?

Olympus Camedia 770
 
Tomorrow before 4:30PM EST (supposedly, according to UPS), I will have my grubby paws on a new Canon SD500. Why did I get one?

(1) Under $500. With extra battery, cheap case, and 1GB card, ~$600. Not cheap, but nowhere near DSLR prices.

(2) Same size as the 35mm Casio ELPH we've had and loved for years. I understand small cameras are shakier, but I prefer to have one handy as opposed to a better, larger one that got left at home. The SD500 is roughly the size of a credit card and barely over an inch thick.

(3) Good feature set:
  • 7 Megapixel CCD sensor for up to 3072x2304 pixel images
  • 3x optical 37-111mm f/2.8-4.9 zoom w/digital Macro
  • 2.0" color LCD with Night Display function
  • Ultra-compact and durable stainless steel body (3.4 x 2.2 x 1.04 in.)
  • Advanced TTL AiAF 9-point autofocus system with focus-assist lamp
  • Program AE automatic and Manual exposure modes
  • Continuous 2fps shooting until memory is full
  • Movie mode w/sound 30/15fps 640x480/320x240 unlimited length
  • Fast Frame Rate Movie recording, 320x240 at 60fps
  • Evaluative metering on focus point or Spot
  • Exposure compensation: +/-2EV in 1/3-step increments
  • White Balance: Auto, 5 presets or Custom
  • Photo Effects: Low Sharpening, Vivid Color, Neutral, Sepia and B&W
  • My Colors - customize your colors while shooting
  • Shutter speeds of 15 seconds to 1/2000 second
  • Auto noise reduction with 1.3 sec or longer shutter speeds
  • Selectable ISO settings from 50 to 400
  • Voice memo (up to 60 secs) can be attached to images
  • Built-in microphone and speaker
  • Lithium rechargeable battery and charger included
  • Direct print and PictBridge Compliant
  • High-speed USB 2.0 connectivity for PC and Mac
  • Secure Digital (SD) card storage, 32MB supplied

(4) Nice solution to having a good camera and a camcorder always within reach. Best camera? Of course not. Best camcorder? Clearly not. But I can fit 18 minutes of 640x480 15fps video (9 minutes of 30 fps) on my 1GB SD card (under $100), and 95% of what I want to capture takes less than a minute or two. I can take two 7.1MP pictures a second until I fill the SD card. The sample shots in reviews look good, as do the sample movies.

I'll be back with a review tomorrow night.
 
A review I want to hear!

those are all points I have considered, I just thought the 200 or 300 would be as good for me, but have read a lot of good stuff on the 500 and am sure that you will not be disappointed.

Reasons I think the S2 IS is something I may want, Big 12X zoom with Image Stabilizer / Zoom works while videoing / Large lens to collect light / stereo sound for musical wife and kids.
The form factor of the sd500 is quite the trump card though!

Tell us more.............
 
Balin64 said:
Get a good dSLR like D70: that system will grow with your family: it's a good investment. Photos are one of most families' most valued posessions.

DV's are getting very reasonable; if you're on a budget, consider becoming chummy with an acquaintance that owns one and borrow it from time to time.


FYI-- last I checked, the Pittsburgh Apple Store has a D70 kit for $799, and there's a $100 rebate. D70 with 18-70 AF-S lens for $699 after rebate is hot hot hot.
 
Moxiemike said:
FYI-- last I checked, the Pittsburgh Apple Store has a D70 kit for $799, and there's a $100 rebate. D70 with 18-70 AF-S lens for $699 after rebate is hot hot hot.

I woulda gone Nikon for that! :eek:

Apple store camera deals, when they happen, are *amazing*. According to recently closed sales on eBay, I could sell my Powershot S50 *today* for what I paid Apple for it two years ago!
 
The SD500 just arrived. The battery is charging and I took today off to do yard work, so I'll write a true review later (possibly tomorrow). However, first impressions:

(1) I bought the SD500, a spare battery (Canon NB-3L), and a cheap case (Canon PSC-50) from amazon.com for a total of $533.82 (shipping was free because I'm an "amazon.com prime" member). Possibly not the best price (likely not) but it got here before lunch today, two and a half days after I ordered it (could have gotten it yesterday for $4 more). I prefer to shop at a place I trust.

(2) The battery (opened the spare one) is tiny compared to others I've used (~1.25" x 1.75" x 0.25"). The charger is also quite compact - no cord, plug folds into case when not in use.

(3) The camera is tiny but has a good "heft" and apparent build quality.

(4) With the exception of needing to buy a separate case (less than $9), the box includes everything - camera, battery, 32MB SD card, manuals (lots of printed stuff), USB cable, A/V cable, carrying cord.

(5) The included 32MB card will be sufficient for playing around initially, but I'm really happy I ordered a big 1GB one for "real" use (supposed to arrive Monday - I love the Package Tracker widget!).
 
stubeeef said:
The form factor of the sd500 is quite the trump card though!
That was the reason I got it - I could certainly get a better camera for more money that came in a bigger size, but I/we really wanted something small and - since my wife is the one who carries it - "purse-able". The SD500 seemed like the best choice among the truly small cameras. Credit card sized (well, inch-plus thick credit card...), less than 7 oz with everything including the case.

If this sparks any innate interest in photography, I'll move up to a DLSR.
 
First SD500 shots

OK, aside from a few idiot shots right off the bat, here are some of the very first pictures from the SD500.

A shot from my backyard.

A fern.

A quick pic of a tiny tiny fraction of my daughter's toys for color.

These are all 7.1MP shots, full auto. The outside ones were taken when it was a bit overcast. The inside one has a flash. All were taken by jittery me, fully caffeinated, while on my feet. These aren't intended to win any photo contests. As I've said, I take snapshots, not photographs. I just figured these'd give some idea of the resolution and sharpness (or lack thereof) of the camera. Press-to-shot times are under a second, although not substantially under a second.

Alas, I need to get back to work, so I'll post a movie tomorrow.
 
OK, still waiting patiently!

I saiD I AM WAITING!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PATIENTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
For those of you - namely, one member in particular and likely no one else - who wanted a further review of the SD500, I will post one as soon as the weather ceases to be complete crap so I can take a decent outdoor movie and post it.

Just got the 1GB SD card today. Let me tell you, the 32MB card doesn't cut it - for taking superfine, full-res photos. It's fine for more, smaller, more-compressed shots. The 1GB card, though... you could take it on vacation and need nothing else. Well, except for an iPod Photo to serve as backup, and maybe a PB for viewing.... but I digress into my own little fantasy land.

While I don't think anyone wants to see my home movies, I can say that the movie quality (as well as the options - I particularly enjoy sepia) is outstanding, esp. given that movies are an add-on feature of a less-than-ten-cubic-inch 7MP camera.

The only real cons I've found are: (1) tiny form factor makes it somewhat difficult to take a steady shot...or so I think, even though I've yet to see a blurry picture, and (2) there's about a 0.5 second delay from press to capture. DSLR fans would be disappointed.

On the plus side, the photos are - to these undiscerning eyes at least - very nice, the movie capability allows you to capture things you normally not be able to due to lack of equipment, and the size is fantastic - I had it in my jacket pocket all evening while at the mall and essentially forgot it was even there.
 
OK you're off the hook till better weather, but just remember, we know where you live, I mean post!
 
Better to revive, than re thread.......

OK, I got an email that the Canon S2 IS is shipping. If it is as good as the pre announcement, it is a no brainer. However, I can't find a "real" had my hands on one and took pictures> review.

Anyone know of one? Or has someone here bought it and tried it yet?
 
I got the sd400

I was going back and forth between the sd400 and sd500... Only main diff I saw was the jump between 5MP to 7MP and 5 is more than enough for me. I just ordered it last week and Dell is backordered so I'm waiting. I got a sweet deal by combining a few coupons so I wound up paying a mere $300 (including tax, shipping, and a FREE 256MB SD Card)!!! I can review if you guys want when it comes!
 
Does anyone know what the response time between clicking the "capture" button till when it actually takes the picture on the PowerShot S2 IS is around? I have an SD330, and for some reason I have to click and hold the button and it sometimes takes about 5 seconds before it finally takes the picture. Sometimes it is faster though. But it is disappoiting when you are trying to take a quick picture of something really cool, and by the time the camera takes the picture the moment is over. :/
 
smurphur said:
Does anyone know what the response time between clicking the "capture" button till when it actually takes the picture on the PowerShot S2 IS is around? I have an SD330, and for some reason I have to click and hold the button and it sometimes takes about 5 seconds before it finally takes the picture. Sometimes it is faster though. But it is disappoiting when you are trying to take a quick picture of something really cool, and by the time the camera takes the picture the moment is over. :/


Some in store testing of our S2IS, it seems to be pretty quick. Maybe not as quick as the SD series, but no slouch.
 
Our canon s30 died yesterday, no autopsy so don't no why.

So no excuses from the wife now! (no the s30 was not a victim of random violence)

Just went and got a Canon S2 IS from CCity. Not the best price, was going to use BH photo, but I wanted immediate buyer gratification.
Ordered some batteries (2700mAh batts, 24 back ups - got 3 kids and the whole world runs on AA batts now).
Also got a SD card from DMS they were recommended by canadaram way back, used them once before for some ram. They had a 1gb 80x sd card for 67.00 and zero rebates involved.

So waiting to put frankenstien together!
 
Cannon Powershot A510 is awsome cheap but awsome! It has 3.2 megapixels and it can take sound movies.
 
I actually love my HP R817.
HP's cameras are very GUI-driven and kinda idiot-proof, which turns a lot of users off, but I find the 817 to be quite powerful despite the flashy menus.
It has 640x480 24fps endless video (mpeg only) with decent sound quality. It uses standard SD/MMC cards, and gets several hours of use out of its LiON battery. (unless I run the vid nonstop)
I'm also a big fan of Minolta, but had to throw a shot out for my HP.. the red-headed stepchild of digital pix. :D
 
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