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dwbrown77

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Mar 1, 2008
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I cut my teeth on Commodore 64 and then apple II gs,

I got away from those when Bible programs chose Windows.

I am looking at buying a new laptop soon and wonder if I should consider mac/Leopard.

Here is what I do now with my machine:

Heavy Outlook 2007 use, email, appointments, contacs, tasks. But not in an enterprise atmosphere.

Sync with a Palm 680.

Heavy Bible database use---most of the programs do not yet have a mac equivalent that I know of. I use Libronix (Logos), Bible Navigatior etc.

Sermon planning---I like to do that best in outline mode but of course Word 2007 is not all that great.

Itunes for podcasts and music.

Manage pictures.

Any suggestions/advice?
 
for mail and your calender and contacts a Mac will be very easy to use especially with leopard and you can sync your phone with a program called missing sync i believe. as for bible programs i have no idea?
 
not sure of budget

Hi, I am not sure of my budget at present, generally the less spent the better but I don't want to shortchange either.
 
Laptop or desktop?

What are your needs for mobility? You obviously need something that can run Windows well.

If price is a concern, you'd probably want to start looking at a MacBook if you want mobility or a Mac Mini if you're not concerned about being mobile.

Once you narrow it down to a specific model, you can further decide new/used and how much processor etc you're interested in.
 
Hi, I am not sure of my budget at present, generally the less spent the better but I don't want to shortchange either.

You really need a ballpark figure for us to help you. Refurbished Macbooks bottom out at $750, usually between $850 and $1000. MBPs range between $1200 and $2000 on the low end. In comparison, budget dual core laptops can be had for $500 on Newegg if you aren't chained to OS X. Since most of your software will be Windows dependent, you'd be better off with an inexpensive Gateway or Acer.
 
You can read my review of owning a mac (which I wrote intending to be as unbiased as possible) using this link

If you do choose to buy a mac I can sell you the best software on the market for syncing a palm and mac called The Missing Sync at a great price because I have no use for it anymore and it is just gathering dust.
 
I think the Macbook is a good choice. It will do everything you are wanting to do, and if you're unable to find an OSX version of any program, you can also partition the drive to run XP or Vista using bootcamp or a 3rd party program. This means you will also need a copy of windows to install on the partition.

The Macbook comes with a lot of software, but MS Office is not among them, and you will likely want to stick with the software you are accustomed to, so getting the OSX version is another expense. I think the student/teacher version is significantly less expensive than the pro version, same as with windows.

Good luck on your decision. The Macbook is a fine piece of equipment, flexible enough to run both major OS's, and powerful enough to do all the things you suggested you're interested in using it for. :)
 
budget

Hi your answers are helping. Here are some clarifications and further questions.

I think $850 for the Macbook would be much easier but it sounds like it might not be outfitted well enough to run the windows programs i need. Is this true? if true what are the real mhz/hdd/memory needs?


Can you cut and paste from the parrallels windows to the mac ones?

If sounds like, from the person that so helpfully shared his experiences, that the vaunted reliability and speed of the mac is not as much as I had read.

related to this, how does the mac mini stack up? I have given some thought to going with this cheaper machine for the apple experience and getting a cheaper windows laptop for my mobile needs.

Have any of you used www.logmein.com with mac going to windows machines?
 
I have given some thought to going with this cheaper machine for the apple experience and getting a cheaper windows laptop for my mobile needs.

How about a nice macbook w/ Windows XP Pro on BOOTCAMP.

You can boot into OS X when you need it; and you'll be able to boot into Windows when you need it. All on the same machine.

I think a MacBook is very capable of running everything you're talking about. Especially if you use bootcamp instead of running both Operating Systems at the same time.
 
Hi your answers are helping. Here are some clarifications and further questions.

I think $850 for the Macbook would be much easier but it sounds like it might not be outfitted well enough to run the windows programs i need. Is this true? if true what are the real mhz/hdd/memory needs?


Can you cut and paste from the parrallels windows to the mac ones?

If sounds like, from the person that so helpfully shared his experiences, that the vaunted reliability and speed of the mac is not as much as I had read.

related to this, how does the mac mini stack up? I have given some thought to going with this cheaper machine for the apple experience and getting a cheaper windows laptop for my mobile needs.

Have any of you used www.logmein.com with mac going to windows machines?

If portability is not the issue there are 15.4" standard laptops even from big players like sonys / thinkpads etc under 600$ (with dual core mind you & vista) which would work for you. All most all programs you need are windows based. In such a situation, i would advice you to stick with windows PC. Quite frankly any lowend laptop would suffice (may be an acer w/ a modern celeron for 350/400 would also fit well).
 
I think $850 for the Macbook would be much easier but it sounds like it might not be outfitted well enough to run the windows programs i need. Is this true? if true what are the real mhz/hdd/memory needs?

Well, it depends. The main thing you'll need is memory to run virtualization software. If you run Windows XP using Parallels or Fusion 2 GB is good and 4 GB is really nice - you can get it from www.crucial.com for very cheap. If you are going to be running Windows Vista you will need at least 2 GB if not more. The GHz are not really all that important, and the hard drive space is also trivial (about 5-10 gigs minimum for the windows partition, most people make a 30gb fat 32 windows xp partition so that they can share the files with the mac os). If you go to the windows on mac forum topic there is a good user's guide for running windows on mac at the top of the page or just click this link. Windows Vista may require a dedicated graphics chip (only on macbook pro and imac) to run Aero well.

an you cut and paste from the parrallels windows to the mac ones?
Yes

how does the mac mini stack up?
Just as good as a macbook for basic tasks (like the ones you mentioned), but will be slower for other things.

Have any of you used www.logmein.com with mac going to windows machines?
I've never heard of it.

Here's a comparison of the macbook vs. macbook pro that I wrote in an older post but you can see here:
I think you really have to consider what are the pluses and minuses of the macbook vs. mbp - I will list just the pluses as the minuses of one would just be the pluses of the other and vice versa:

In my OPINION (I know there will be tons of people quoting and disagreeing with me, but this is MY opinion) after having used both extensively:

Macbook:
1. Much more portable as they are smaller, lighter, and more rugged whereas mbp's seem much more fragile to me.
2. I think they look nicer than mbp's, but of course this is highly subjective and likely not that important
3. They are a great deal for the money.
4. They will do EVERYTHING you mentioned (email, office, surf the web, music, photos, movies, etc - these are the things that every "regular" user does and that is the target audience of the macbook and it will accomplish those tasks beautifully).
5. The current macbooks will be almost just as fast as the mbp's in anything NOT requiring graphics card power - which are most high-end applications (none of which you mentioned) and games. One thing I should tell you is that photoshop elements works well on macbooks if you ever feel like you need photoshop and the difference for end users is very small so don't listen to people saying you need it for photoshop.
6. I really like the keyboards more, but that of couse is personal opinion.
7. I use a mouse with my laptops so I think multi-touch is useless and am the wrong person to ask -> which brings me to one negative that I will list of the macbook which is that the USB ports are on the left so if you are right-handed (like 90% of the population) and you try to use a mighty mouse you are screwed because the mighty mouse cable isn't long enough to get to the right side (you engineering fools!).
8. I think they are of a very good build quality, and you shouldn't discount them of that because of their price or their intended audience. They are very solid and stable.

Macbook Pro:
There are (in my opinion) two BIG reasons to go for the pro over the macbook.
1. Screen size - if you want a lot of screen space you have to go for the pro and no one can argue with you. Now, I have worked on 1920x1200 and 1280x800 screens and they DO make a big difference. However, the truth is that once you get used to a resolution it's fine. Think about that old tv you used to watch before you got a bigger one. It was fine at the time right? Then you got a slightly bigger one and now you could NEVER go back. That's the way it is with resolutions on a screen. However, from personal experience (my laptop was stolen and I had to go back), you CAN go back. It's painful at first, but definitely doable. You must remember though that the increase in screen size comes at a cost in portability. The larger the screen size, the less portable and vice versa. This is YOUR own decision to make as to whether you want screen real estate or portability (and probably the one giving you the most agony when you stop to think about what is making you ultimately choose between the two).
2. Graphics power - if you play games or use any intensive applications, just save yourself any further agonizing about this decision and get a macbook pro. You will need the graphics card, end of story.
Everything else about the macbook pro is just bells and whistles in my mind and those are the two main things you should be considering.

In the end, this will of course be your decision, but think to yourself if you think of this computer more as a desktop replacement that you can move from time to time when you need to, albeit rarely, or as a computer that you may need to do some traveling with on a somewhat regular basis. If all else fails then choose the macbook pro if it is more the former and the macbook if it is more the latter. Good luck.
 
Macbook will be fine for Windows just get a bigger Hard Drive and more Ram at least 2GB's 4 would be better. It will be just as fast as any windows laptop.
 
Heavy Outlook 2007 use, email, appointments, contacs, tasks. But not in an enterprise atmosphere.

Heavy Bible database use---most of the programs do not yet have a mac equivalent that I know of. I use Libronix (Logos), Bible Navigatior etc.

Sermon planning---I like to do that best in outline mode but of course Word 2007 is not all that great.

Itunes for podcasts and music.

Either get a refurb MacBook and install Windows in case you need it, or buy yourself a Dell XPS laptop of some sort.

If you get the Mac and want to make podcasts, buy a little application called Profcast. In fact, take mine. I think I have a (legal) copy of it, and yet I have never bothered installing it because I never wanted/needed to make a podcast.
 
If you get the Mac and want to make podcasts, buy a little application called Profcast. In fact, take mine. I think I have a (legal) copy of it, and yet I have never bothered installing it because I never wanted/needed to make a podcast.

I think GarageBand can create podcasts too.
 
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