It’s driving me crazy that I can’t easily use my phone while I’m wearing the AVP. I really wish they had made it so that your phone could be “projected” to a window like the native apps. There is just a lot I can do easier and faster on my phone and feel like it would have made a huge difference. Right now I’m having to remove the headset often to interact with my phone effectively and it’s super annoying.
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What type of stuff are you trying to do on your phone? I can see my iPhone screen pretty good in pass through. Well enough that I can copy text on my phone and then paste it in VisionOS. I agree, though, it would be nice to have more interaction with my phone.
Turn your brightness on your phone all the way up, have no issues using mine while wearing it.
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For example, responding to texts is much easier on my phone. I’d like the ability to use the phone, but instead of looking at a phone screen through passthrough, have a floating native screen on top of my phone.
Sort of like how when you use an actual keyboard it puts the text preview above it automatically
Sort of like how when you use an actual keyboard it puts the text preview above it automatically
Exactly like this but on Vision OS would be perfect!View attachment 2345626You could try the Bezel app, think it's $5 though. Looks cool, I have not tried it yet.
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Oh wow this is for vision os! It’s awesome. Typing this now on my virtual iPhone!
Actually not as good as I had hoped. Found myself still having to look at my actual phone to type super effectively, and it shuts off when the screen sleeps so you have to change that everytime you use it. A native option with a virtual screen on top of the actual phone would have been ideal
I agree, the AVP is definitely showing its First Gen edges... I keep bumping into them wondering why they made the choices they did, but then, eh, first gen. They aren't done. shrugs.
I use a a magic keyboard with mine for almost all text entry. which means I am sitting at a table or desk or some such. With that, text messages (with IOS people) is easy. And I can see my phone screen, but its oddly wavy at times. shrugs.
Anyway, thanks for posting this, interesting to see how others are coping.
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OP, I don't even choose to have an iPhone. Instead, I use cellular iPad Mini 6 with a VOIP app and buds to also cover my telephony needs. Since Vpro can be spun as an "iPad for your face", perhaps I can offer something to this thread... as I'm entirely unable to "switch to iPhone" 100% of the time?
For texting, I use Apple's Messages for Apple people and the Voip app for non-Apple people. If I had an iPhone too in my pocket (like you), I'd just use Messages for both types on iPad. It works just as well as the iPhone version, arguably better on a bigger screen where the keyboard won't cover much of the app when summoned. With my own Vpro, Messages would be an always-open, permanently-positioned app for me and I'd simply use it in Vpro. When I have a keyboard available- either Mac or Bluetooth- that would make my text responses much easier... but in a keyboard-less pinch, I'd just Siri narrate my text responses and then do a little editing with the virtual one if needed.
If I was to be in a robust texting session likely to last for a good while, I'd pull out the Mac (or bluetooth keyboard) and use a real keyboard... or opt to remove Vpro and have the session on a Mac with a real keyboard (which I also do often).
Same with email. Apple Mail would be open probably 100% of the time in Vpro and basically positioned around my main view. For me, the "big 3" always open in the view somewhere would be Messages, Mail & Safari.
If I have ready access to both texting & mail- as I do with my iPad Mini 6- the rest of the phone stuff tends to not demand that much attention (for me anyway). So I'd think having those apps open and in the Vpro view somewhere should minimize my needs to view my "phone" screen. Yes there are some other apps like them but yes most of those apps run on iPad too, so perhaps I give them a permanent spot in my Vpro view too?
Another consideration is evolving my own responsiveness. How many texts/emails actually need an immediate response? Very few. What if I just let them wait for an hour or two, the latter being towards the max amount of time before I have to either change batteries or recharge Vpro anyway? While Vpro is off, I could catch up on phone stuff then. Every night, we all tend to take a break of about 8 hours from any interactivity with our devices. Every time we sit down in a theater to watch a movie or show, we "turn off our cell phone" for upwards of 2 or 3 hours. The world keeps turning without our immediate interactions during those times.
And lastly, if others share the same feelings about this topic, that Bezel app will further evolve to cover any issues and/or Apple will come up with an in-OS version of Bezel for this kind of thing. It's gen 1 launched 3 days ago. When "the precious" launched there was not ONE third party app available... and no App Store until gen 2. All the things that "bug" users can be the infamous "one software update away" (or 2 or 5 updates away). All Vpro software problems slung could be the catalyst for a new app to address an issue and/or an opportunity for Apple to improve the overall experience in coming updates.
All that offered though, I agree with you that basically any Apple device screen should easily be virtualized in the Vpro view much like a Mac screen works now. I'll even go so far as to say that a cellular version of Vpro seems to make sense for 3 reasons:
For texting, I use Apple's Messages for Apple people and the Voip app for non-Apple people. If I had an iPhone too in my pocket (like you), I'd just use Messages for both types on iPad. It works just as well as the iPhone version, arguably better on a bigger screen where the keyboard won't cover much of the app when summoned. With my own Vpro, Messages would be an always-open, permanently-positioned app for me and I'd simply use it in Vpro. When I have a keyboard available- either Mac or Bluetooth- that would make my text responses much easier... but in a keyboard-less pinch, I'd just Siri narrate my text responses and then do a little editing with the virtual one if needed.
If I was to be in a robust texting session likely to last for a good while, I'd pull out the Mac (or bluetooth keyboard) and use a real keyboard... or opt to remove Vpro and have the session on a Mac with a real keyboard (which I also do often).
Same with email. Apple Mail would be open probably 100% of the time in Vpro and basically positioned around my main view. For me, the "big 3" always open in the view somewhere would be Messages, Mail & Safari.
If I have ready access to both texting & mail- as I do with my iPad Mini 6- the rest of the phone stuff tends to not demand that much attention (for me anyway). So I'd think having those apps open and in the Vpro view somewhere should minimize my needs to view my "phone" screen. Yes there are some other apps like them but yes most of those apps run on iPad too, so perhaps I give them a permanent spot in my Vpro view too?
Another consideration is evolving my own responsiveness. How many texts/emails actually need an immediate response? Very few. What if I just let them wait for an hour or two, the latter being towards the max amount of time before I have to either change batteries or recharge Vpro anyway? While Vpro is off, I could catch up on phone stuff then. Every night, we all tend to take a break of about 8 hours from any interactivity with our devices. Every time we sit down in a theater to watch a movie or show, we "turn off our cell phone" for upwards of 2 or 3 hours. The world keeps turning without our immediate interactions during those times.
And lastly, if others share the same feelings about this topic, that Bezel app will further evolve to cover any issues and/or Apple will come up with an in-OS version of Bezel for this kind of thing. It's gen 1 launched 3 days ago. When "the precious" launched there was not ONE third party app available... and no App Store until gen 2. All the things that "bug" users can be the infamous "one software update away" (or 2 or 5 updates away). All Vpro software problems slung could be the catalyst for a new app to address an issue and/or an opportunity for Apple to improve the overall experience in coming updates.
All that offered though, I agree with you that basically any Apple device screen should easily be virtualized in the Vpro view much like a Mac screen works now. I'll even go so far as to say that a cellular version of Vpro seems to make sense for 3 reasons:
- Many potential applications of Vpro needs access to data and one may be away from wifi zones many times each day. Yes, the solution now is to lean on iDevice data sharing but another option would be to give it its own and virtualize an any-size screen iPhone inside it too. The iPhone emulator already exists, so repackage/reskin that as a Vpro app to virtualize an iPhone... pretty much as they've virtualized the iPad.
- A cellular option would allow the cell phone provider phone subsidy to be applied (with 2 year contract). That seems to be towards about $1000 these days so they can offer a "free*" iPhone. $3499 - $1000 = $2499* without actually stripping away anything. Buyer still pays the full amount- as they do with iPhone- but this pricing "slight of hand"/psychology works very, very well. And boom: full Vpro without compromises for $2499* new (and maybe about $2149* as a refurb).
- Jobs: "an iPod, a phone and web browser... in ONE" went over very well in 2007. I wonder how "all Macs, all iPhones and all iPads... in ONE" would fare in 2024 or 2026? By "all" here, I mostly mean all screen sizes. As is, this doesn't directly run Mac apps or have the core iPhone telephony app now... but Apple could change that with software evolution.
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Where did you get that Tallneck?View attachment 2345626You could try the Bezel app, think it's $5 though. Looks cool, I have not tried it yet.
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I just wish I could answer my phone when it rings on the vision like I can with every other apple device...
I am really hating that I can't see my phone clearly while wearing the VP makes my eyes tear up thinking it's out of focus.
The worst part is that the phone does not recognize my face with VP on.
Hate having to type the PIN code to open the phone each time - and it's blurry making my cry.
The worst part is that the phone does not recognize my face with VP on.
Hate having to type the PIN code to open the phone each time - and it's blurry making my cry.
I guess if you have an Apple Watch it will auto-unlock without having to use FaceID.
It should though also be an option for Vision Pro which has Iris ID. It knows it's you, it know's it's on your face so there should be an option to auto-unlock if in proximity.
a phone will Auto Unlock an Apple Watch not vice versa. hell the watch is spotty at best at unlocking a Mac
Mine my defiantly unlocks sometimes when it doesn't quite see my face. My watch taps me to let me know it's happened
Ah thank you, apparently i never had that turned on on the phone lol. That wil be useful
Curious how responding to texts via a mirrored image of your phone on VP is easier than the using the Messages app on VP? I’m a bit confused?
If I have a keyboard hooked up, it isn’t, but that isn’t really how I end up using the Vision Pro. I’ve just come so accustomed to using my iPhone over the past 18 years, that I can respond to texts very easily and efficiently through that interface. In the same way that the Vision Pro can be used to mirror your Mac and make it a bigger virtual screen, it would be nice to have that option for your phone as well. Responding to texts casually on the Vision Pro is fine, but I have to respond to many texts, and respond quickly because of my job, so I just find myself taking the goggles off a lot so that I can get real work done on my phone.
I’m sure it will change as the technology advances, I sort of use to feel the same way about responding to emails on my phone… I couldn’t do it as efficiently as I could on my Mac, but that has changed over the years
Just got off an Apple Support rep to help me figure out AVP issues.
Apple rep was very helpful and solved 3 out of 4 issues including Mac Virtual Display issues.
The only issue he could not figure out was integrating my iPhone into the AVP.
This came up even more when I asked before the rep that used screen sharing from his end while on the phone.
I said isn't it silly that I can't talk to you hands free while I have the AVP on my face ?
He agreed and said to just put the phone on speaker phone mode.
Well golly geez, for $3500 you would think that Apple would have integrated a long standing iPhone tradition with a new tech ?
Apple rep was very helpful and solved 3 out of 4 issues including Mac Virtual Display issues.
The only issue he could not figure out was integrating my iPhone into the AVP.
This came up even more when I asked before the rep that used screen sharing from his end while on the phone.
I said isn't it silly that I can't talk to you hands free while I have the AVP on my face ?
He agreed and said to just put the phone on speaker phone mode.
Well golly geez, for $3500 you would think that Apple would have integrated a long standing iPhone tradition with a new tech ?
Before I got the AVP, I just assumed that I could take or initiate phone calls on it, assuming my iPhone was nearby.
Currently when my phone rings, I can answer the call on my MacBook Pro, or I can answer it on my iPad. Or my other iPad. Or my Apple Watch. Why can't I answer on Vision Pro (or more likely send it to voicemail, since almost no one I know calls me regularly).
Currently when my phone rings, I can answer the call on my MacBook Pro, or I can answer it on my iPad. Or my other iPad. Or my Apple Watch. Why can't I answer on Vision Pro (or more likely send it to voicemail, since almost no one I know calls me regularly).