nehalem mac mini?

Discussion in 'Mac mini' started by n3092, Nov 3, 2009.

  1. n3092 macrumors newbie

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    Any thoughts on whether or not we'll see a arrandale or clarksfield based mac mini with a better integrated gpu sometime early next year?
     
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    The mini is too small to house that quad chip inside it.
     
  4. n3092 thread starter macrumors newbie

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    well those ain't exactly the odds i was hoping for

    Arrandale is dual core clarksfield is quad and arrandale is 32nm as the clarksfield is 45nm.
    Brand Name Model L3 TDP
    Intel Core i5 i5-5xxM 3 MB 35 W
    Intel Core i7 i7-6xxUM 4 MB 18 W
    i7-6xxLM 4 MB 25 W
    i7-6xxM 4 MB 35 W
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  5. 300D macrumors 65816

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    The dual cores have an integrated GPU, Apple likely won't use them because of it.
     
  6. mendocino macrumors newbie

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    So (potential) Mini users will have to wait until Sandy Bridge's 22nm refresh, Ivy Bridge, which is at best estimates at LEAST 18 months away?

    :confused:
     
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    I reckon Apple don't want the latest tech to get anywhere near the Mini as it will divert customers away from top-end iMac and Mac Pro purchases.
     
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    9400M is intergraded as well... Okay, yes the GPU coming with Arrandale is worse than 9400M but it's very cheap solution and ideal for Mini users. I can see Arrandale in Mini around mid 2010.
     
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    Never going to happen

    The mini is apple's low end, budget computer. Putting such a high powered cpu in that puppy will kill the sales of the iMac and maybe even the MacPro.
     
  10. gianly1985 macrumors 6502a

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    A Westemere (formerly Nehalem-C) MacMini is definetely going to happen sometime in 2010....and it will use an Arrandale CPU (Dual Core/Quad Thread, whereas the current Core2Duo is Dual Core/Dual Thread)...

    Everything will go Arrandale eventually.

    iMacs have already gone Lynnfield, mostly. The current c2d iMacs will go Arrandale.
     
  11. 300D macrumors 65816

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    No, I meant the GPU is on the CPU itself.

    Apple will NOT use the Arrandale processors in the mini, those are i5 and i7. I believe Clarkdale is what you meant to say. Even still, Apple won't use them because they will be forced to use the built-in GPU. They wouldn't be able to use NVIDIA chipsets.
     
  12. mendocino macrumors newbie

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    Even if they use clarkdale, Apple could still benefit from the integrated GPU on the intel CPU package. For example, OS X would use the GPU on the processor purely for graphical output, then when 3D rendering or an openCL application is detected it utilises the nvidia GPU.

    Just a thought...

    * Just realised the conflict between the clarkdale GMA and nvidia chipset.... that would be an issue indeed
     
  13. smetvid macrumors 6502

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    If the Mac Mini is still around I think it will happen for one main reason, chip supply. At some point Intel will phase out core 2 duo production. When this happens Apple will need a new supply of cpus to use in their systems. This is why Apple will have to use the new age cpus across the board eventually. Since Apple doesn't make it own cpus it is tied to the market life path of Intel products. This of course makes it pretty easy these days to predict when Apple may or may not come out with new systems.

    For example you know a 12 core Mac Pro cannot come out until Intel releases their 6 core cpus. The same is true for the low end as well. If you know a certain cpu is being phased out then there is a good chance that eventually Apple's stock will run out and they will have to release a product update with a new cpu.
     
  14. Hellhammer Moderator

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    Clarkdale is way too hot, 73W. nVidia chipsets have only caused problems and did I read right that they stopped manufacturing them?

    Okay, maybe one more C2D Mini but then Apple has to update Mini with something newer.

    Anyway, Arrandale Mini wouldn't hurt iMac sells because they now house desktop CPUs so next step is either Clarkdale or faster Lynnfield
     
  15. dyn macrumors 68030

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    This seems to be full of air because the way you're explaining it simply boils down to that if Apple were to use that cpu they can not use anything else as a GPU. So every Mac will have the same GPU ;)

    I don't think this will be the case. The internal GPU like many others will be disabled and they'll use other GPU's instead so it can be used in all of the Macs. They did something similar to the Core 2 Duo 2,0 GHz cpu in the early 2009 Mac mini models. The official P7350 does not support VT-x, the version Apple uses in the Mac mini however does support VT-x (and I'm grateful for that because I can run 64 bit vm's on my mini :)). It would be stupid if they were limited to the internal GPU anyway.
     
  16. 300D macrumors 65816

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    Have you forgotten how cr@ppy Intel's GPUs are?
     
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    In three years there will be 22nm 16-core 4GHz mobile Haswell CPUs...
     
  19. dyn macrumors 68030

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    You mean those GPU's that could run Aero and other stuff far better than most cards from Nvidia/ATI did? You mean those Intel GPU's that actually have full open source drivers and not some closed source binary blob like say Nvidia/ATI?

    Those integrated graphics are not meant to run everything at the fullest settings but that absolutely does not mean they are bad, "cr@ppy" or whatever you want to call it. Those integrated graphics do just fine. With Leopard it were the Nvidia integrated graphics that outperformed a lot of dedicated graphics cards in a lot of Macs when it came down to H.264 videos. You can drive a 30" display with the Nvidia 9400m and even quite some games. When compared to the 8600GT in my MBP it doesn't perform all that bad.

    Apart from that there simply are a lot of people who just need it to drive their display. They don't need fancy 3D graphics that are needed to play the newest games.
     

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