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Nehalem... when?
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That stuff was all pre-WWDC rumour, and while it's conceivable that it may come true, Jobs said "about a year" which is what everything else from Apple has said as well.
From The Snow Leopard Page:
It could be Apple manages to get ahead of schedule and release at or shortly after MacWorld '09, but at the moment that's nothing more than wishful thinking.
From The Snow Leopard Page:
It could be Apple manages to get ahead of schedule and release at or shortly after MacWorld '09, but at the moment that's nothing more than wishful thinking.
The G5's and G4's that preceded the Mac Pro didn't use FB-DIMMs. The only reason they use FB-DIMMS now is that the only board the chips are compatible with use FB-DIMMs. If the next workstation board doesn't require FB-DIMMs, Apple won't care. They want a dual socket board, that's it.
It was rumored sometime ago that Intel would move away from FB-DIMMs: http://www.theinquirer.net/en/inquirer/news/2006/09/07/intel-pulls-back-from-fb-dimms
They make a good point though, it doesn't make much sense for them to use FB-DIMMs with Nehalem. They could simply put more advanced memory controllers on the Xeons to get the same sort of benefits.
I don't think Apple cares at all, that you are right about. The memory used is dependent upon what chips Apple decides to use. Chances are FB-DIMMs will be dead with Nehalem. I do not think FB-DIMMs are bad personally, they offer a big bonus for users in terms of data.
Film Student to Film Student
Buy now. Get the stock model and start editing. What flavor of video do you work with now? My rig is in my sig and it rocks.
Buy now. Get the stock model and start editing. What flavor of video do you work with now? My rig is in my sig and it rocks.
how is the dual 22 incher acer setup working for you?
ive got one runnning on windows but its hard to calibrate it.
don't buy.
they will update the current Mac Pro line once before the Nehalem Mac Pro. So just wait about 2 months or 3. The conference in Jan are going to be the notebook highlights, along with new macbook air. Solar power notbook or green products. i'd wait another 2 months. Something will come out before the back to school promotion ends.
they will update the current Mac Pro line once before the Nehalem Mac Pro. So just wait about 2 months or 3. The conference in Jan are going to be the notebook highlights, along with new macbook air. Solar power notbook or green products. i'd wait another 2 months. Something will come out before the back to school promotion ends.
All they can do is increase the RAM or HDD capacity.
Intel will be releasing no new CPUs that work with the Mac Pro prior to Nehalem. Dunnington (the new 6-core CPU) is designed for servers. It will not fit in the Mac Pro's socket, uses a chipset/platform different from that used in the Mac Pro, and will be clocked between 2.13 and 2.66GHz.
If you do not want to wait for Nehalem, then buy a Mac Pro today. It won't get any better and it's still pretty darn good.
No, they won't. Show me some chips that they can update to. Professional desktop Mac updates have always included a chip update. They have nothing.
They get the job done. My dell 2408 is a recent edition (for my yet-to-be-shipped MXO) and outshines the Acers.
The Acers worked fine until I compared them to the dell. The brightness on the Dell's is MUCh better than the Acer. The white's on the Acer miss the mark by a mile compared to the dell. BUT... if you are just starting and have nothing to compare it to they're fine. $220 vs $640....
Anyways. ObiMcD, buy now. Speed and technology DOES NOT buy talent. Experiance does. You'll be waiting forever for the next upgrade if you keep that mindset. And honestly, upgrades will only really help with rendering. Snow leopard will be the biggest help since hardware usually is much more advanced than software.
Face it, there is always going to be upgrades, you just need to take the plunge. Now start editing!
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we don't know what the hell is going to happen. I'd wait... if i were you film dude. don't buy the 175 days old Mac Pro.
let me make an example: would you like to eat a piece of old salmon? I mean if you aren't THAT hungry. you can wait right? Think about it. 175 days old. You know the new one is around the corner. I'd say Oct. Those guys said Jan. Don't throw away you $5G now. Wait.
let me make an example: would you like to eat a piece of old salmon? I mean if you aren't THAT hungry. you can wait right? Think about it. 175 days old. You know the new one is around the corner. I'd say Oct. Those guys said Jan. Don't throw away you $5G now. Wait.
Yeah, because Apple will get the second-highest-end version of Nehalem three months early.
I'm sorry, but it's not happening. And again, there's nothing to upgrade to in the interim. The next update will either be at MacWorld '09 or MacWorld '10, depending on what chips they choose.
ok. you said it might not be happen until 2010? perhaps you should understand a bit of the business world. no need to go into the detail. you say 09, i believe. but 10? that's a childish answer.
So film dude, you are out of luck. the guys said it's next Jan. you need it now? i am sorry for your 175 days old machine. it's fast. faster than my macbook pro. again don't get it until Sept. you might hear more stuff. hold on to your $5G.
You remember the wait on the last one? 518 days. Apple doesn't care about Mac Pro sales. I say January 2010 if they stick with FB-DIMMs and January 2009 if they don't.
@Tallest Skil:
Direct from wikipedia:
1. Gainestown=Dual Processor Server chip. Triple Channel DDR3. Q3-Q4 2008.
2. Beckton=Multi Processor Server chip. Quad Channel FB-DIMMs. Q2 2009.
Only server chips on chart; all the rest are desktop. Also, Beckton comes w/ 8 cores per chip. Therefore, we should see Mac Pro updates either late 2008, Macworld, or before WWDC. Where are you getting 2010? The chip slated for 2010 is DDR3 as well.
Direct from wikipedia:
1. Gainestown=Dual Processor Server chip. Triple Channel DDR3. Q3-Q4 2008.
2. Beckton=Multi Processor Server chip. Quad Channel FB-DIMMs. Q2 2009.
Only server chips on chart; all the rest are desktop. Also, Beckton comes w/ 8 cores per chip. Therefore, we should see Mac Pro updates either late 2008, Macworld, or before WWDC. Where are you getting 2010? The chip slated for 2010 is DDR3 as well.
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i don't see a major update, but a smaller one
The move to Nehalem will be in many ways as big as the original move to the Intel platform. The new multi-CPU interconnects and integrated memory controllers will have a large impact on performance, just as they did for AMD when they incorporated them with the Opteron platform.
So that implies Apple will want to shout about it, which implies they'll use either MacWorld or the WWDC. Since programming for Nehalems will be essentially just like programming for Penryns, launching the product at WWDC is unlikely. So that leaves MacWorld.
Another reason why launching at MacWorld makes sense is that while the Mac Pro will likely be the first Macintosh to use it (unless Apple decides to move to desktop chips for the iMac), it will show up down the road on the iMac, MacBook and MacBook Pro (and perhaps the Mini). So Steve can announce it in the Mac Pro, show how amazing it is, and then note that within a year you'll see it on everything else in the Mac line-up.
The alternative is that Apple decides to stick with FB-DIMMs and perhaps move from two CPUs to four (to maximize Grand Central) for the Mac Pro. At that point, then MacWorld 2010 makes sense as the launch for the entire Macintosh line - tower, all-in-one and mobile - with Nehalem, since Intel will have all the CPUs and chipsets out by then.
A possible fly in the ointment is how fast OS X 10.6 arrives, especially Grand Central. If they can get it out by MacWorld 2009, then that supports the Mac Pro release then. If they cannot, Apple might wait until WWDC 2009 and launch the Mac Pro then with 10.6. WWDC will likely be too early for Clarksfield and Auburndale - the mobile Nehalem platforms - but close enough that Apple could show some iMacs and MacBook(Pros) with engineering sample hardware. However, this will likely kill existing sales...
So that implies Apple will want to shout about it, which implies they'll use either MacWorld or the WWDC. Since programming for Nehalems will be essentially just like programming for Penryns, launching the product at WWDC is unlikely. So that leaves MacWorld.
Another reason why launching at MacWorld makes sense is that while the Mac Pro will likely be the first Macintosh to use it (unless Apple decides to move to desktop chips for the iMac), it will show up down the road on the iMac, MacBook and MacBook Pro (and perhaps the Mini). So Steve can announce it in the Mac Pro, show how amazing it is, and then note that within a year you'll see it on everything else in the Mac line-up.
The alternative is that Apple decides to stick with FB-DIMMs and perhaps move from two CPUs to four (to maximize Grand Central) for the Mac Pro. At that point, then MacWorld 2010 makes sense as the launch for the entire Macintosh line - tower, all-in-one and mobile - with Nehalem, since Intel will have all the CPUs and chipsets out by then.
A possible fly in the ointment is how fast OS X 10.6 arrives, especially Grand Central. If they can get it out by MacWorld 2009, then that supports the Mac Pro release then. If they cannot, Apple might wait until WWDC 2009 and launch the Mac Pro then with 10.6. WWDC will likely be too early for Clarksfield and Auburndale - the mobile Nehalem platforms - but close enough that Apple could show some iMacs and MacBook(Pros) with engineering sample hardware. However, this will likely kill existing sales...
Is there a link between FB-DIMMs and ECC RAM?
Everyone seems to say that FB-DIMMs don't matter. However, it also is that the machines with FB-DIMMs are the ones with ECC RAM.
That begs the question is the latter is dependent on the former. If so, going with FB-DIMMs is a major and important design decision.
ECC RAM should be standard in all systems as RAM sizes increase. Unfortunately, the price pressure and the quest for the last percent of gaming performance keeps ECC out of "consumer" computers and turns it into an expensive server feature.
If you value your data, ECC is a must, and ECC is the main reason why I can't see replacing a MacPro with an iMac or laptop, even though a potential quad-core laptop CPU equipped 24" iMac would be more than adequate for my computing needs (particularly if a new version of the iMac busts the 4GB RAM limit).
Everyone seems to say that FB-DIMMs don't matter. However, it also is that the machines with FB-DIMMs are the ones with ECC RAM.
That begs the question is the latter is dependent on the former. If so, going with FB-DIMMs is a major and important design decision.
ECC RAM should be standard in all systems as RAM sizes increase. Unfortunately, the price pressure and the quest for the last percent of gaming performance keeps ECC out of "consumer" computers and turns it into an expensive server feature.
If you value your data, ECC is a must, and ECC is the main reason why I can't see replacing a MacPro with an iMac or laptop, even though a potential quad-core laptop CPU equipped 24" iMac would be more than adequate for my computing needs (particularly if a new version of the iMac busts the 4GB RAM limit).
They seem to have updated the Beckton release time since I last visited. It originally said Q4 2009. That's where I was getting MacWorld 2010.
Well, since they've moved it up, that's what Apple will go with. A simultaneous Snow Leopard and Nehalem Mac Pro (still with FB-DIMMs) at WWDC 2009. Ladies and gentlemen, we have our release date.
ok, sorry to digress here. i know this is about the mac pro line but i'm going to coollege next fall (fall 09) and was planning on getting a notebook with a nehalem processor, but i must say my dreams seem to be shattered. when are the mobile processors due out? will they be out in time?
Why are your dreams shattered ? Bit over dramatic. Wild fires and floods will shatter your life. New Montevina Macbooks and Macbook Pros will be out in a couple of months. Get one. Max out the memory and it will serve you well till you graduate. Don't worry. Be happy.
Good luck.