I still prefer the "traditional" smoke alarm. Like the old saying "if it ain't broke don't fix it". There's no need for "futuristic" smoke alarms in the home.
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Nest Stops Selling 'Protect' Smoke Detectors Over Safety Concerns
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Quite convenient to simply ignore or forget about the main and very well off product from Nest: the thermostat.
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Do people need to read and understand it all a little better perhaps? "During recent laboratory testing of the Nest Protect smoke alarm,we observed a unique combination of circumstances that caused us to question whether the Nest Wave (a feature that enables you to turn off your alarm with a wave of the hand) could be unintentionally activated." Clearly testing has been done and is ongoing even, and clearly this is some unique combination that probably doesn't even happen in the real world, and if it might, it's probably rarer than all kinds of other much more dangerous things out there. But, given that they did come across it and it made them wonder, they are taking the time and putting in the effort to address it. Better than most companies out there that just sweep stuff under the rug even if they do find it (and most of the time they don't even until it's way beyond being too late), like the whole recent GM mess.You and me both, bortha (or sister):
I guess they didn't.
Nest sounds cool. I like the remote off, with no remote device. Could be voice activated instead and that might solve the problem.
This has the potential for a lot of very interesting things. It is a platform for sensors.
Smoke
Fire
CO
CO2
Humidity
Temperature
Air Pressure
Motion Sensor (earthquake)
...
Put one outside too. Network and log the data.
Then for people who want to participate, send the data to the weather bureau folks for collecting some seriously large aggregates of data on the environment.
Also useful for businesses. e.g., monitoring processing work rooms, refrigerators and freezers.
This would be seriously useful.
This has the potential for a lot of very interesting things. It is a platform for sensors.
Smoke
Fire
CO
CO2
Humidity
Temperature
Air Pressure
Motion Sensor (earthquake)
...
Put one outside too. Network and log the data.
Then for people who want to participate, send the data to the weather bureau folks for collecting some seriously large aggregates of data on the environment.
Also useful for businesses. e.g., monitoring processing work rooms, refrigerators and freezers.
This would be seriously useful.
My home has four bedrooms upstairs, The fire marshal said i must have one smoke detector in each bedroom one on the landing and one in the hall.
The batteries last about two years so I get about a year of peace and then one of them will start chirping with a low battery warning. For some reason it's inevitably around 2 o'clock in the morning. There may be a couple minutes between chirps or might take 15 minutes between chirps.
The problem is you can't tell which alarm is chirping so you have to stand under one or between a couple of them to try to isolate which one has the low battery. It can take hours and if you guess wrong you've just gotten up on the ladder take the thing off the ceiling replaced the battery and put it back up and gone back to bed and then, chirp chirp chirp. Anyway you finally get it and 4 to 6 weeks later you have to do it all again....
Having a smart device that says "low battery in master bedroom" would be so much easier.
Unfortunately then Google bought them. Oh well
And Google buying them means doom of some sort?My home has four bedrooms upstairs, The fire marshal said i must have one smoke detector in each bedroom one on the landing and one in the hall.
The batteries last about two years so I get about a year of peace and then one of them will start chirping with a low battery warning. For some reason it's inevitably around 2 o'clock in the morning. There may be a couple minutes between chirps or might take 15 minutes between chirps.
The problem is you can't tell which alarm is chirping so you have to stand under one or between a couple of them to try to isolate which one has the low battery. It can take hours and if you guess wrong you've just gotten up on the ladder take the thing off the ceiling replaced the battery and put it back up and gone back to bed and then, chirp chirp chirp. Anyway you finally get it and 4 to 6 weeks later you have to do it all again....
Having a smart device that says "low battery in master bedroom" would be so much easier.
Unfortunately then Google bought them. Oh well
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Here is a step in the right direction:
http://www.firstalert.com/component/flexicontent/item/1042-atom-smoke-alarm
Not quite as hideous as most smoke detectors. Unfortunately, no combination CO-smake detector (required by law in my state, so not a suitable substitute everywhere in the house.
I bought one because I was generally happy with my Nest thermostat however between the disabling of the wave feature, their decision to artificially limit the motion detector in the battery version and the dullness of the night light, it's been a compete waste of money.
They should offer refunds. What's the selling point now? You can check the battery status via an app? Big deal.
They should offer refunds. What's the selling point now? You can check the battery status via an app? Big deal.
My quote back when this was announced, which I referenced previously, was intended to express hope that they test the device well before releasing it. I can read the above just as well as the next person and am glad they found this potential problem, but shouldn't people still reserve the right to be a little worried about such an obvious possible flaw that they have just now started "wondering" about?
Tell me this when you have 13 of them lol. Anyway, the ones I had would flash a red light when the battery was low. Thing is, it's kinda hard to see that.
Surely you can see the advantage in a device that can notify you when it detects smoke, even if you're not at home to hear the alarm.
Not a great deal for Google
I don't really see any ground breaking tech with the purchase of Nest. I have three of the original thermostats, which were a good product but expensive… you can get most of the functionality in a cheaper albeit worse looking thermostat. Not to mention it looks like a Honeywell thermostat…
Fire alarm/Smoke Detector never really got me excited… I had hoped we would see a light switch… or more home automation.
On a side note, one of my original thermostats just died, they did replace it, which is great, but makes me worry about the reliability over the long term.
I think Fadell made a terrific deal with Google, Google may not feel the same in a few years.
I don't really see any ground breaking tech with the purchase of Nest. I have three of the original thermostats, which were a good product but expensive… you can get most of the functionality in a cheaper albeit worse looking thermostat. Not to mention it looks like a Honeywell thermostat…
Fire alarm/Smoke Detector never really got me excited… I had hoped we would see a light switch… or more home automation.
On a side note, one of my original thermostats just died, they did replace it, which is great, but makes me worry about the reliability over the long term.
I think Fadell made a terrific deal with Google, Google may not feel the same in a few years.
Those benefits are pretty weak. Especially for the price. And of course Internet appliances have become the number one target for hackers, so adding more devices just for the sake of saying you did, carries risk.
The whole point of what was presented is that they keep on testing and testing to find things that are not obvious at all and even far from it. Again, based on what was written they are talking about a completely obscure unique unorthodox thing that even abnormally likely not happen. But because they stumbled on that one in a million or billion type of thing they want to still spend the time addressing it.
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The article appears to say that they are offering refunds.
Hmmmm.....
Like someone having a fire? Is it me or is it a bit smokey in here? he said waving his hand.....
What they always needed was Google Search.....
I guess NEST is an internet of thing company now?
Amazon a going to release their own detector called the Amazon Fire Fire!
Like someone having a fire? Is it me or is it a bit smokey in here? he said waving his hand.....
What they always needed was Google Search.....
I guess NEST is an internet of thing company now?
Amazon a going to release their own detector called the Amazon Fire Fire!
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Maybe this is all a ruse. Maybe, now that Google bought Nest, they are pulling back the product to add the goggle stuff. You know, it will become android based and every time you make any motion, it will send you an ad to your phone. You wave to shut it up an a notice on your phone says - please press okay to accept the charge for disabling the annoying noise.
It just a conspiracy theory, but we shall see....
It just a conspiracy theory, but we shall see....
Fire Alarm vs. Thermostat
Not ignoring that they also have a Thermostat product - that product DOES what it was intended to do and very intelligently. If I could have one of those, I would buy it in a heartbeat, but the fire alarm product isn't as practical as they want to make it out to be - there is such a thing as "too many bells and whistles". Simplify the design without all the hoo-ha extra features and then it's worth considering. If the Wave motion is the single feature that kills this product, then they're right to disable it and go back to the drawing board. Companies being bought up just for their "cool factor" and "perceived public interest" is just a waste of corporate capital. Google has the resources to spend on other things which make a lot more sense. This was one of those face-palm purchases.
Quite convenient to simply ignore or forget about the main and very well off product from Nest: the thermostat.
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Do people need to read and understand it all a little better perhaps? "During recent laboratory testing of the Nest Protect smoke alarm,we observed a unique combination of circumstances that caused us to question whether the Nest Wave (a feature that enables you to turn off your alarm with a wave of the hand) could be unintentionally activated." Clearly testing has been done and is ongoing even, and clearly this is some unique combination that probably doesn't even happen in the real world, and if it might, it's probably rarer than all kinds of other much more dangerous things out there. But, given that they did come across it and it made them wonder, they are taking the time and putting in the effort to address it. Better than most companies out there that just sweep stuff under the rug even if they do find it (and most of the time they don't even until it's way beyond being too late), like the whole recent GM mess.
Not ignoring that they also have a Thermostat product - that product DOES what it was intended to do and very intelligently. If I could have one of those, I would buy it in a heartbeat, but the fire alarm product isn't as practical as they want to make it out to be - there is such a thing as "too many bells and whistles". Simplify the design without all the hoo-ha extra features and then it's worth considering. If the Wave motion is the single feature that kills this product, then they're right to disable it and go back to the drawing board. Companies being bought up just for their "cool factor" and "perceived public interest" is just a waste of corporate capital. Google has the resources to spend on other things which make a lot more sense. This was one of those face-palm purchases.
Google Wave
As they're now owned by Google of course they're going to find any excuse to discontinue Wave
As they're now owned by Google of course they're going to find any excuse to discontinue Wave
I personally don't mind a dim-lit smoke detector to know the battery/power is good. I also wouldn't mind having an app on my phone so I can test my detector on a monthly basis. So many people don't test theirs.
As far as loudness, there are certain things I want loud. Smoke detector and tornado alert would be two of them. Sure, maybe during the daytime there could be an option for a lower volume smoke detector vs nighttime.
If you are sticking these boxes in your home the box might as well do a few things (thanks pubwvj) ...
Smoke
Fire
CO
CO2
Humidity
Temperature
Air Pressure
Motion Sensor (earthquake)
and what about PA system (speaker),
Microphone,
360' camera,
WIFI extender.
All accessible from my iPhone....
Anyone got any VC money?
Smoke
Fire
CO
CO2
Humidity
Temperature
Air Pressure
Motion Sensor (earthquake)
and what about PA system (speaker),
Microphone,
360' camera,
WIFI extender.
All accessible from my iPhone....
Anyone got any VC money?
Pre-ordered 3 Nest Protects on day of announcement, canceled couple weeks before shipping—don't regret that decision at all now!
I was immediately skeptical of the "wave" feature; do you really want to have the ability to silence the smoke alarm during a life-threatening event? Maybe the Nest Protect picks up a whiff of smoke coming from the next room, you disregard it as a false alarm and wave at the Nest Protect to make it shut up and have yet to realize/notice the danger brewing in the next room.
Now why the hell Nest requires "laboratory testing" and "unique combination of circumstances" to realize this flaw is beyond me—unless this is a major cover-up for another irreparable serious flaw—why else would you take the drastic step of withdrawing the product from sale?
Smells fishy.
I was immediately skeptical of the "wave" feature; do you really want to have the ability to silence the smoke alarm during a life-threatening event? Maybe the Nest Protect picks up a whiff of smoke coming from the next room, you disregard it as a false alarm and wave at the Nest Protect to make it shut up and have yet to realize/notice the danger brewing in the next room.
Now why the hell Nest requires "laboratory testing" and "unique combination of circumstances" to realize this flaw is beyond me—unless this is a major cover-up for another irreparable serious flaw—why else would you take the drastic step of withdrawing the product from sale?
Smells fishy.
Yeah, like none of those situations.
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There's WAY more to the home automation concept which is just in the infantcy stages now, but not everyone can see and/or understand that.
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Why wouldn't they require laboratory testing and take swift actions such as this one if even a slight possibility of something exists? It would be a conspiracy of some sort and "fishy" if they didn't do that.Pre-ordered 3 Nest Protects on day of announcement, canceled couple weeks before shippingdon't regret that decision at all now!
I was immediately skeptical of the "wave" feature; do you really want to have the ability to silence the smoke alarm during a life-threatening event? Maybe the Nest Protect picks up a whiff of smoke coming from the next room, you disregard it as a false alarm and wave at the Nest Protect to make it shut up and have yet to realize/notice the danger brewing in the next room.
Now why the hell Nest requires "laboratory testing" and "unique combination of circumstances" to realize this flaw is beyond meunless this is a major cover-up for another irreparable serious flawwhy else would you take the drastic step of withdrawing the product from sale?
Smells fishy.
Nest Protect does integrate with the Nest Thermostat. It will turn off the heater if it detects carbon monoxide.
And, it does add the motion detectors in Nest Protect to sense "Auto away". However, your Nest Protect must be connected to 120V: the battery-only version is limited to conserve power.
I would also like to see temperature sensors in the Nest Protect, but calibration would be difficult because they are normally mounted on or near the ceiling, rather than at the "habitable" level, 5-6 feet off the floor.
lmao, you're forgetting about their best seller...their product that MADE the company; the Nest Thermostat.
Or you could do what is generally recommended by fire departments and change the batteries on them all annually? Round here the big campaign is to change the batteries on smoke/fire detectors on the same day you're changing the clocks for daylight savings time. If you've gone to the trouble to install a dozen life-saving safety devices, then I don't think it's too much trouble to schedule a battery change. But YMMV, of course....
Not completely true. Some situations require advanced smoke detectors. I don't think the Nest had qualified, yet. There are other, more expensive, smoke/fire alarm systems on the market, which communicate with each other and utilize all the forms of smoke/fire detection.
Those cheap ones usually only detect 1 or 2 different ways. Probably enough for most homes, but not everywhere.