Net Neutrality Organization Accusing AT&T of Violating FCC Rules With FaceTime Data Plan Requirements

[macUser2007]

No. Because only one device is getting ATT's data. The speakers are not getting data - their getting bluetooth data from the iPhone.

Why is this so hard for some people to understand. And why do people think I am saying ATT's policy is the right one? I'm just stating how ATT views their one device/data plan policy.

AirPlay works on Wifi. So again - ATT is not providing data to another device. Your iPhone is taking ATT's data and then uploading it via your own wifi signal.

Nope, it is you who is not understanding that data is data. The phone transmits DATA to Apple TV, which then transmits DATA to the AVR through the HDMI connection. These are clearly DATA TRANSFERS and are no different than tethering.

Similarly, the voice (or music) DATA from the phone is transmitted through BT to the car audio system.

You are simply conditioned to think that because AT&T has put something in their boilerplate contract and interpret it a certain way, makes it valid.

It's a scam and they know it, but it makes the phone companies money and until the FCC starts doing its job, the consumers will pay.

BTW, I do have tethering built in into my Galaxy Nexus (running Android 4.1) and I do tether at airports and such. I've done this for years now (on T-Mobile).

 

[samcraig]

Nope, it is you who is not understanding that data is data. The phone transmits DATA to Apple TV, which then transmits DATA to the AVR through the HDMI connection. These are clearly DATA TRANSFERS and are no different than tethering.

Similarly, the voice (or music) DATA from the phone is transmitted through BT to the car audio system.

You are simply conditioned to think that because AT&T has put something in their boilerplate contract and interpret it a certain way, makes it valid.

It's a scam and they know it, but it makes the phone companies money and until the FCC starts doing its job, the consumers will pay.

BTW, I do have tethering built in into my Galaxy Nexus (running Android 4.1) and I do tether at airports and such. I've done this for years now (on T-Mobile).

I never said it was VALID. I said that's how ATT views it. This is where I think there's a misunderstanding. *I* don't believe what ATT wants to claim. I was stating how THEY see 1 data plan/1 device.

 

[macUser2007]

I never said it was VALID. I said that's how ATT views it. This is where I think there's a misunderstanding. *I* don't believe what ATT wants to claim. I was stating how THEY see 1 data plan/1 device.

O.K., I see.

But we do know how AT&T, Verizon, etc. view these things. If AT&T had their way, they'll be a monopoly, never upgrade their infrastructure and charge more than they do now. And Verizon is actually worse.

The whole pipeline system is screwed up, but the regulators are asleep at the wheel (or rather, awake but complicit).

The non-wireless internet services providers are even worse, suckering regulators and Congress into giving subsidies and rate increases in exchange for promises of super-fast internet in every US home, only to fail to deliver time after time.

 

[TC25]

The non-wireless internet services providers are even worse, suckering regulators and Congress into giving subsidies and rate increases in exchange for promises of super-fast internet in every US home, only to fail to deliver time after time.

Just like Solyndra. What's your problem?

 

[tennisproha]

So you're down for a couple dollars while a lawyer or lawyers get over 50% of the settlement?

Who said anything about monetary compensation? not me...

 

[azentropy]

No. Because only one device is getting ATT's data. The speakers are not getting data - their getting bluetooth data from the iPhone.

Why is this so hard for some people to understand. And why do people think I am saying ATT's policy is the right one? I'm just stating how ATT views their one device/data plan policy.

AirPlay works on Wifi. So again - ATT is not providing data to another device. Your iPhone is taking ATT's data and then uploading it via your own wifi signal.

That isn't hard to understand - but when you tether you are getting bluetooth or wifi data ALSO from the iPhone. It is the iPhone that is providing the data to the other device, it is not getting it directly from AT&T. It is the SAME method as what you just stated! Just take your last sentence and replace "AirPlay" with "Personal Hot Spot". So why is it ok for AT&T to ban one and not the others? It isn't!

Now if you were cloning sim cards and using two devices that is completely different. In that case both devices are pulling data directly from AT&T.

 

[macUser2007]

Just like Solyndra. What's your problem?

Heh

Except that the internet providers have taken many times what Solyndra took, and will take a lot more subsidies and breaks before we are anywhere near the penetration level of high-speed internet in places like South Korea.

Not that I am advocating nationalization of these services, but the reality is that the industry wants its cake and wants to eat it too -- they want government help, but not regulation.

 

[hirshnoc]

I had Sprint awhile ago, no way I'm ever going back to them.

What happened?

I like to keep in mind that these are national cellular companies. As long as I'm getting voice, data, and text, I really don't care about much else.

 

[troop231]

What happened?

I like to keep in mind that these are national cellular companies. As long as I'm getting voice, data, and text, I really don't care about much else.

Ever since the Nextel merger, Sprint has been going down the tubes. It was the worst decision they ever made.

My calls and data were piss poor as well.