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French accessory maker Netatmo has announced an Apple HomeKit compatible Smart Outdoor Camera with Siren.

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The new camera is an updated version of Netatmo's Presence Camera, which came with a large floodlight. The built-in 105 db siren this time around provides even more reason to discourage intruders onto property.

The camera also features infrared night vision, which can trigger the floodlight if it detects movement.

According to Netatmo, the camera analyzes the camera's field of view in real time, and can gauge when a person approaches the house, when a car pulls into the driveway, or if a dog is roaming around the garden.

Any of these cues will trigger an alert for the user, providing them with a "precise notification and video when an event unfolds outside their home."

The camera comes with a 4MP video sensor, 100º FoV, and 1,920 x 1,080 resolution, while the LED floodlight is dimmable and uses 12W of power. The camera requires a power supply of between 100V to 240V depending on region. The camera uses 2.4GHz Wi-Fi and comes with a Class 10 32GB micro SD card.

The Netatmo Smart Outdoor Camera without Siren is available now on Netatmo's website, and can be pre-ordered in Europe, with availablilty coming to the U.S. later in 2020 for $349.99.

Article Link: Netatmo Announces HomeKit-Compatible Smart Outdoor Camera with Siren
 

brutusfly

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I have the non-siren version. Except for the lack of other style options, it is excellent! The light is separately addressable in Homekit, and the alerts are pretty smart about knowing what it sees and allowing, for instance, animals to be ignored but humans trigger alerts. Local storage and no subscription are the best parts. Still waiting on Homekit secure video update for this model. The indoor version got Homekit Secure Video support a few months ago.
 

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Biggest mistake, not making it solar.

Can't power anything with a siren and real-time motion AI with a small solar panel.
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The number one reason why I eventually got rid of my Presence cameras is the really small field of view. 100 degrees just isn't enough to cover a driveway or a patio - and unfortunately, they've failed to improve on that with this new version.
 

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Slightly off subject, but still no sign of the doorbell they demonstrated at CES 2019? Holding fire for that. I want a video doorbell, but despite subscribing to Ring's service (for my alarm) I so don't want one of their doorbells with the level of snooping Amazon do. Not sure what the delay is...

However, it's pleasing to see Netatmo are still around even if it's announcing an update to a different product.
 
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vipergts2207

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Biggest mistake, not making it solar.

Don't know how practical that is or that it would even provide much benefit for the increased cost. I imagine the solar panel would have to be bigger than the fixture itself. And then at night, when it's at peak energy usage from using both the camera and the light, solar power wouldn't even work. Making this solar powered seems like an incredibly niche application of an already niche product, when almost all planned installations would be where you have an electrical box anyway.

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It looks like Ring makes a solar camera/light with a battery so it could work at night, however the light output is only 300 lumens, while the Netatmo is 1000 lumens. The solar panel and battery would have to be significantly larger than the 7.75" x 5.5" panel in the Ring camera, which is only rated at 2W.
 
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Biggest mistake, not making it solar.

That’s not a mistake, that’s by design. If you read the article, it mentions that “The LED floodlight is dimmable and uses 12W of power. The camera requires a power supply of between 100V to 240V...”

Also given the power draw, I don’t think a solar panel will provide very much energy long enough making a significant difference. Plus, looking at the design, where would you even mount a solar panel aside from the very top of the unit, which doesn’t allow for much space, Unless it was mounted on the back of the unit, but then I gather it would be obstructed from direct sunlight. Solar Wouldn’t work based on the design alone on this unit.
 

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Couldn't find any mention of HomeKit Secure Video support. 🤷‍♂️

It'll likely support it, as their indoor cameras do and it's been announced for the regular Presence as well. However: Netatmo's implementation circumvents any and all security advantage HSV offers. In addition to anyone who has access to your Apple Home data, anyone with your Netatmo user creds has full access to your camera as well. Even if you disable the camera in the Home app, streaming is still possible with Netatmo creds. Plus Netatmo doesn't even offer 2-factor authentication etc - it's a pretty sad state of affairs there at the moment.
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I know. Come on Netatmo. And where’s the doorbell?

Even if they released it in Europe, they probably wouldn't in the US. I'm guessing they're having issues with the various doorbell voltage systems in Europe and the connected chimes, and the US is something altogether again. Plus honestly: HSV is pointless with Netatmo devices (see my previous comment).
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Slightly off subject, but still no sign of the doorbell they demonstrated at CES 2019? Holding fire for that. I want a video doorbell, but despite subscribing to Ring's service (for my alarm) I so don't want one of their doorbells with the level of snooping Amazon do. Not sure what the delay is...

However, it's pleasing to see Netatmo are still around even if it's announcing an update to a different product.

I'd also like to move away from my Nest Hello, but Netatmo's offering won't be the answer to that issue. Their cameras aren't very secure, either. Anyone with your Netatmo creds can still view your feed, even if it's turned off in HK. Netatmo doesn't offer 2-factor authentication. And the cameras won't run without being tied to a Netatmo account - they regularly phone home. If they can't do that anymore, they disable themselves after a while until you reconnect them to a Netatmo account. There's a reddit on that somewhere. The cameras also can't be updated through HK, only through their proprietary app
 
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xpxp2002

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I must admit I'm a little disappointed that they added a siren, but not a general speaker for communicating back to whoever might be at your door.

I really don't see a practical use for the siren on the outside. Their indoor camera has a siren add-on that makes sense when you constrain it to only activate when away from home or late night hours when everyone's asleep. If there's an intruder, you want to be awoken and hopefully scare them off without confrontation. But on the Outdoor cam, it's just going to scare off your neighbors walking their dogs at dusk and the occasional car that happens to turn around in your driveway. IMO the floodlight is sufficient to let people know they've been detected without something as attention-grabbing as a siren.

That being said, the Outdoor Camera already has a microphone that works quite well. It really just needed a speaker for talking back to someone.
 
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I must admit I'm a little disappointed that they added a siren, but not a general speaker for communicating back to whoever might be at your door.

I really don't see a practical use for the siren on the outside. Their indoor camera has a siren add-on that makes sense when you constrain it to only activate when away from home or late night hours when everyone's asleep. If there's an intruder, you want to be awoken and hopefully scare them off without confrontation. But on the Outdoor cam, it's just going to scare off your neighbors walking their dogs at dusk and the occasional car that happens to turn around in your driveway. IMO the floodlight is sufficient to let people know they've been detected without something as attention-grabbing as a siren.

That being said, the Outdoor Camera already has a microphone that works quite well. It really just needed a speaker for talking back to someone.

Their indoor camera also doesn’t have two-way audio, which is a problem for me. I can’t talk to the kids like that from my home office, and I need that function to dissuade the dogs from destroying things (which is the main reason why I even have an indoor camera)
 

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I must admit I'm a little disappointed that they added a siren, but not a general speaker for communicating back to whoever might be at your door.

I really don't see a practical use for the siren on the outside. Their indoor camera has a siren add-on that makes sense when you constrain it to only activate when away from home or late night hours when everyone's asleep. If there's an intruder, you want to be awoken and hopefully scare them off without confrontation. But on the Outdoor cam, it's just going to scare off your neighbors walking their dogs at dusk and the occasional car that happens to turn around in your driveway. IMO the floodlight is sufficient to let people know they've been detected without something as attention-grabbing as a siren.

That being said, the Outdoor Camera already has a microphone that works quite well. It really just needed a speaker for talking back to someone.
From what I understood of the product page, the siren has to be manually activated via the app. If I'm right then that is a) an understandably necessary compromise, b) a compromise that renders the siren functionality close to useless. If I'm wrong then false alarms (flower pots being being mistaken as people) render the siren functionality worse than useless.
 

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Slightly off subject, but still no sign of the doorbell they demonstrated at CES 2019? Holding fire for that. I want a video doorbell, but despite subscribing to Ring's service (for my alarm) I so don't want one of their doorbells with the level of snooping Amazon do. Not sure what the delay is...

However, it's pleasing to see Netatmo are still around even if it's announcing an update to a different product.

I was about to make mention of that point as well. It’s the only video doorbell with HomeKit I’m interested in yet this delay usually means a product may not make it to production after all. 😑
 

mattopotamus

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Can't power anything with a siren and real-time motion AI with a small solar panel.
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The number one reason why I eventually got rid of my Presence cameras is the really small field of view. 100 degrees just isn't enough to cover a driveway or a patio - and unfortunately, they've failed to improve on that with this new version.

My outdoor Ring cam does just that: Siren, motion sensor, and flood flight. While not as bight, it does everything else. I have had it up for over a year, and I haven't had to touch it. It even can be customized to only record human motion, which is good because my neighbors outdoor cat would set it off.
 

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I was about to make mention of that point as well. It’s the only video doorbell with HomeKit I’m interested in yet this delay usually means a product may not make it to production after all. 😑

not necessarily. Netatmo has been known to take extremely long for releasing their products. But you’re right, the doorbell delay probably sets a new record.
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My outdoor Ring cam does just that: Siren, motion sensor, and flood flight. While not as bight, it does everything else. I have had it up for over a year, and I haven't had to touch it.
I had one of those - they’re extremely slow to trigger recordings, live view is hit or miss and they’re a privacy nightmare
 

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Netatmo presence cameras are great. I have had one over 3 years and the detection is incredible. It can tell the difference between animals cars and people. I have it set to ignore animals and cars but notify me when a person is at the door at night. I was skeptical at first but their detection tech is incredible it works everytime.

Also the biggest selling point!!! there is no subscription. i have it stored on the internal sd card and every recording is backed up to my dropbox account everytime it sees something.

i didnt want ring for obvious reasons
 

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Netatmo presence cameras are great. I have had one over 3 years and the detection is incredible. It can tell the difference between animals cars and people. I have it set to ignore animals and cars but notify me when a person is at the door at night. I was skeptical at first but their detection tech is incredible it works everytime.

Also the biggest selling point!!! there is no subscription. i have it stored on the internal sd card and every recording is backed up to my dropbox account everytime it sees something.

i didnt want ring for obvious reasons
That’s true - except for the narrow field of view and the fact that they haven’t been keeping up with privacy developments, the Netatmo cameras are pretty neat. And their AI is really good
 

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not necessarily. Netatmo has been known to take extremely long for releasing their products. But you’re right, the doorbell delay probably sets a new record.

I’d still love for simply a camera that integrates with existing wired doorbells. The current selections are often easy to take right off the front and the designs aren’t aesthetically pleasing. I have a traditional british push button doorbell with wood plinth wired to a digital chime. A camera set up high and out of reach that would simply connect to existing wired (or even wireless models if they have WiFi) doorbells would be perfect. A motion sensor could be included with the camera.

i recall a recent thread with a bunch of us having the same idea. One member mentioned his HOA has strict regulations that limited homeowner video doorbell selection. Most video doorbells use existing low voltage wiring and either use batteries or a rechargeable battery for power if necessary. I have a HikVision POE camera I’d been meaning to use for my NY home but decided against it as it doesn’t integrate with my doorbell (which I didn’t care about at the time) nor HomeKit. I’d planned to simply use my Synology servers for video surveillance.

There has to be a way to integrate a HomeKit camera with existing doorbells or even create a separate doorbell and camera that work together allowing just a doorbell button that works with the camera that can be mounted anywhere. This would also be perfect for deterring theft as no one would steal a simple doorbell and wouldn’t think to look for a video camera. Some believe seeing that the homeowner is using a video doorbell will deter theft and break-ins yet if they‘re planning on grabbing packages or taking the unit off the front door they’re not gonna shy away from a video camera.

just remembered, Netatmo was purchased by Legrand a year or so ago. I have legrand adorne dimmers and outlets in my NY and Berlin homes. Love them. I hope this delay means the company is restructuring since the merger or acquisition. I called them last year to ask about the video doorbell and forgot the rep told me Legrand is updating their systems for HomeKit support. Right now my wireless adorne system uses a hub and is only Alexa integrated but the mobile app allows for scheduling and remote control. Perhaps this is the reason for the delay?
 
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I’d still love for simply a camera that integrates with existing wired doorbells. The current selections are often easy to take right off the front and the designs aren’t aesthetically pleasing. I have a traditional british push button doorbell with wood plinth wired to a digital chime. A camera set up high and out of reach that would simply connect to existing wired (or even wireless models if they have WiFi) doorbells would be perfect. A motion sensor could be included with the camera.

i recall a recent thread with a bunch of us having the same idea. One member mentioned his HOA has strict regulations that limited homeowner video doorbell selection. Most video doorbells use existing low voltage wiring and either use batteries or a rechargeable battery for power if necessary. I have a HikVision POE camera I’d been meaning to use for my NY home but decided against it as it doesn’t integrate with my doorbell (which I didn’t care about at the time) nor HomeKit. I’d planned to simply use my Synology servers for video surveillance.

There has to be a way to integrate a HomeKit camera with existing doorbells or even create a separate doorbell and camera that work together allowing just a doorbell button that works with the camera that can be mounted anywhere. This would also be perfect for deterring theft as no one would steal a simple doorbell and wouldn’t think to look for a video camera. Some believe seeing that the homeowner is using a video doorbell will deter theft and break-ins yet if they‘re planning on grabbing packages or taking the unit off the front door they’re not gonna shy away from a video camera.

Pretty sure that's feasible via homebridge and some tinkering. You'd need a wifi button that's triggered when someone rings the doorbell, plus a camera that starts a live feed when when the button is triggered.
 
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I really like the Netatmo Presence concept but cannot get over the looks; it would really stick out like a sore thumb on my home and therefore I did not get it. I was hoping they would bring at least one more alternate look of the light.
 
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