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Ah, yes: the repetitive 'higher specs and lower price' marketing from Dell, HP, Samsung, Google, Microsoft, et al when they cannot compete on usability, innovation, and security.

No thanks - been fooled before by that type of marketing from those types of companies.

Lol, so true. I was fooled for too many years with Dell, Gateway, HP, Microsoft, etc products. In my personal experience my life has been so much better since switching over to the Apple ecosystem.

Some of us just like things to work with less effort ;)
 
The point is that the 11" MacBook Air really *is* a NETBOOK form factor.

The reason the market has dropped out in the PC arena, is that the PC netbooks are just CRAPPY. If they were better designed and built like the MacBook Air, they would still be going strong.

I think, more accurately, is that the market for netbooks is far more niche than can be profitable. There is a market for netbooks. It's simply not large enough to be worthwhile for developers and/or manufacturers to keep going at it.
 
Introducing the Net-Rabook

It'll be plastic with half as much RAM as a Macbook Air (but can easily be upgraded by the user). It'll have the same Haswell chip that the Macbook Air has. A user upgradable SSD.
Running Win7 64-bit and it will undercut the Macbook Air by $350-$400.

They sell millions of them.

The netbook hasn't died. Just the Atom chip is gone, just like the Pentium.
 
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Im sorry but isnt that most people who buy a Wifi only mostly download stuff in their ipad and consume the content on the go, whereas Google pushes Chrome OS as a replacement of PC, hence w a focus on productivity and they push cloud storage on Chromebooks. I'm not sure what developed world you're living in a far away land called Sydney in Australia wifi is not THAT readily available.
I'll have to take your word for that. Last time I was in Sydney was 2005. I need to come back for a visit! :)
 
Photoshop is for trucks. Remember, this is the "post-PC era".

Good luck running the full version of Photoshop on your iPad.

I never said i was going to run photoshop on a bloody ipad nor do I have the need for it. I was replying to a guy who said that was one reason why a netbook was better because it could run full programs like photoshop on his netbook.
 
I don't ever recall Apple ever saying (especially during the keynote) that the Macbook Air was the first of it's kind. Yes it's true that Sony brought out the X505 but what happened? Sure the industry already had "tablet" computers before the iPad but what happened? Sure there were smartphones before the iPhone but what happened? Sure there were ways to buy music online before iTunes but what happened?

:D

You are cute.

I never once said that Apple claimed they were the first, although they do tend to imply that they are the first to do something when they really aren't at all. Forum members here, and other Apple fanatics pretend to think that Apple was the first to do a ultra thin notebook, when it simply isn't true.

As for your other comment about how OSX is more popular than Windows? I am starting to think that you are trolling here....

By your logic, Apple is a huge loser, considering how much OSX is being outsold by Windows. I guess you're saying that success equals quality here, right?

Of course he wouldn't say that!
 
I'll have to take your word for that. Last time I was in Sydney was 2005. I need to come back for a visit! :)

Is he trying to assert that Apple doesn't promote the iPad as a productivity device? Or that they differentiate their wifi version as just for media consumption vs their 3G?

I can't keep track of all these goalposts and how fast they move...
 
You are cute.


As for your other comment about how OSX is more popular than Windows? I am starting to think that you are trolling here....

First of all, don't call me cute. :rolleyes:. Also I never once said that OS X was more popular than Windows. Are you serious calling me a troll? First of all you're insulting me and secondly how can saying that OS X is more popular than Windows on "MAC FORUM" be trolling? :rolleyes:
 
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Not too hard to see who the Apple haters are on MR. :rolleyes: Windows is not outselling OS X. It comes pre-installed on PC's from multiple manufacturers which are being distributed all over the world. Come back to me when you have actual numbers of average consumers buying only a Windows license against people buying OS X. Many people pirate Windows.

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Many people pirate Windows?? I don't get it. Every PC comes with Windows pre-installed.

Do you mean Bootcamp (or Parallels) users pirate Windows? I bought Windows 7 Ultimate retail version for all my Macs. Where can I get a Windows product registration key for free? Maybe I can save some money next time.
 
Many people pirate Windows?? I don't get it. Every PC comes with Windows pre-installed.

Do you mean Bootcamp (or Parallels) users pirate Windows? I bought Windows 7 Ultimate retail version for all my Macs. Where can I get a Windows product registration key for free? Maybe I can save some money next time.

Since this is a Mac forum many people here install Windows via Bootcamp.
 

I am not talking down to you, by all means, I am trying to get you to stop posting things that just aren't true. If you think I am against Apple you REALLY do need to relax. I've been on these forums in force since 2006 . . . no way I'd wanna troll that long. Some of my first bans and timeouts where from defending Apple.

You later mentioned, probably in the comment above mine, that Mac OSX is more popular than Windows. That's subjective, so you can say that . . . by all means please say it. It's true for me and many in my field. While I may fall in love with a PC for the hardware specs (hardware may not matter in the mobile sphere, but when rendering gets cut down by 30% and you make deadline processor speed, spindle speed, networking capabilities, and others really do matter), I won't fall in love with Windows, never really fell in love with it to begin with.

Even now, all of my software and services are cross platform, and I still won't go back to Windows.

However, Windows does still sell WAY more copies Windows than Apple does of OSX. That speaks volumes to popularity as well. It's also one of the main reason we, as Apple users, cannot say that the iPhone rules simply because Apple sold more. That's discrediting the many things the iPhone dominates in as well as Apple's ability to sell decent product.

I think, more accurately, is that the market for netbooks is far more niche than can be profitable. There is a market for netbooks. It's simply not large enough to be worthwhile for developers and/or manufacturers to keep going at it.

Netbooks have really just evolved into small 11.1" or smaller laptops. At the time, it was coined as a book that one would just access the internet from. Cheap and inexpensive. Yeah it did other things too, but you really needed it for just accessing the internet.

It's when folks wanted to do more with it that they started showing how crappy they were.
 
Intel created the category, not Apple. ;)
Apple was the first to release a product in the category.

Apple worked with Intel to develop a low profile Mobile Core 2 Duo (P7500).

Apple MacBook Air introduced in January 2008.

Intel Capital creates fund to drive Ultrabook in 2011

First Ultrabook available in October 2011.

I agree with you that a MacBook Air is not an Ultrabook, but Ultrabooks sure want to be MacBook Airs!
 
I don't ever recall Apple ever saying (especially during the keynote) that the Macbook Air was the first of it's kind.

No, but I recall plenty of people in this thread saying it. Where was it ever claimed that Apple said it ?

The point is, people thinking ultra-portables is something the MacBook Air invented are wrong and have been told so. The rest of what you're doing is simply moving goal posts and trying to narrowly define success.
 
I owned two netbooks over the years. They were good for what they were designed to be -- VERY inexpensive PCs with VERY good battery life (6-8 hours, which was pretty much unheard of at the time). But that was pretty much ALL they were good at. They made huge sacrifices to get there, including tiny unusable keyboards and highly underpowered CPUs that were optimized for low power consumption, at the expense of performance.

I distinctly remember being only somewhat impressed with the performance of my first netbook out of the box, but then after installing Windows firewalls and virus protection, it all went downhill from there. A PC that was barely usable, almost right out of the box. Woohoo!

So yes, I think Steve was right. People bought these for the extremely low price or for the extreme portablility -- a "throw away" laptop you could take on the road, just to check your email. That was my primary reason for buying it. And the battery life was such that I didn't have to pack my AC adaptor, and thus carry an entire laptop bag. So it fulfilled that purpose just fine.

I still own a netbook, a dual-core Atom this time, which I had planned to set up as an extremely low-powered file/media server. Haven't got around to it yet. It cost me less than $200, for a full Windows 7 PC with a 250 gig hard drive. I'm certain the manufacturer made next to nothing in profit on the sale of this thing. I can see why they're not terribly interested in continuing to sell them.

My stepmother has a netbook and it is good for her. I have used it and your conclusions and experiences reflect my short trials with my stepmother's netbook.

I have doubts that the manufacturer or the places that sell them make a profit on one sale let alone many sales especially with the already low price and discounts every month or so.
 
I am not talking down to you, by all means, I am trying to get you to stop posting things that just aren't true.
You later mentioned, probably in the comment above mine, that Mac OSX is more popular than Windows.

Why don't take your own advice? Once again, I never said anywhere here that OS X was more popular than Windows. What a shame, people's eyes are only open to what they want to read, and the rest they just make it up.
 
Since this is a Mac forum many people here install Windows via Bootcamp.

But Bootcamp are device drivers for Windows 7. Bootcamp is not a Windows operating system. I paid a lot of money to buy Windows 7 for my iMac, MacBook pro. I would like to learn how to pirate Windows:p
 
No, but I recall plenty of people in this thread saying it. Where was it ever claimed that Apple said it ?

The point is, people thinking ultra-portables is something the MacBook Air invented are wrong and have been told so. The rest of what you're doing is simply moving goal posts and trying to narrowly define success.

Let people think what they want to think. What difference does it really make to you as long as you know the truth? Setting people straight isn't going to do anything but cause animosity. The real issue here with many people on MR is not about what they think Apple has created it's a lot of the irritating posts of people indirectly accusing Apple of professing to be the first to make something of greatness and I rarely see them doing it.
In Fact the the only time they actually have claimed to be the first (and they were) was putting a backlit keyboard in the Powerbook 17" back in 2003 at Macworld.
 
Let people think what they want to think.

Sure, but when they start posting it and I can correct it, I will. That way, you know, people who don't know better can actually learn and move forward rather than remain in ignorance because no one ever dares to tell them they could be wrong.

If you don't like it, there's an ignore feature on the forum, or you can simply skip my posts. If of course, remaining in the dark about the actual reality of life is what you're after.
 
Let people think what they want to think. What difference does it really make to you as long as you know the truth?

I'll tell you what the difference is.

YOU might be able to tell fact from fiction. But this forum is open to the entire world. Oh my gosh! ;)

That means that when someone google/bing/etc searches for something in hopes of research and/or facts about Apple, it's products, etc - this site gets a lot of hits. And if the information in these threads continues to be FUD/etc - then that's what proliferates. It makes a difference to those that seek out truth and FACTS to have the truth and FACTS evident.

It's bad enough people are too lazy to google/search for something as it is - but when you add the fact that they take forum opinions as FACTS without checking and then just spew them in other threads - it's just pathetic.
 
... I never said anywhere here that OS X was more popular than Windows.

;)

...Windows is not outselling OS X. ....

:rolleyes: Okay you're right. You didn't mention that is was more popular, just that the world as a whole is buying more systems with OSX than with Windows 7 or 8. Which is wrong.

There's nothing wrong with being wrong. Eidorian has corrected me MANY a times, and because of it I value his opinion and knowledge immensely.

What a shame, people's eyes are only open to what they want to read, and the rest they just make it up.

Brother . . . I am trying to tell you that it WAS (as in not any more now) you this comment was describing.

Sure, but when they start posting it and I can correct it, I will. That way, you know, people who don't know better can actually learn and move forward rather than remain in ignorance because no one ever dares to tell them they could be wrong.

I have been corrected many times over, and try not to make a claim unless I have something to back it up, or know that it's just plain common knowledge. I just went back to look at a thread I started about the first iPhone and noticed two things. 1) I said the same things I say now about the iPhone's real innovation, and most agreed with me; and 2) I was SADLY mistaken about it's popularity.
 
I never said i was going to run photoshop on a bloody ipad nor do I have the need for it. I was replying to a guy who said that was one reason why a netbook was better because it could run full programs like photoshop on his netbook.
I'd no sooner use an Adobe product than a Microsoft OS, but I've run GIMP very well on even my 9" netbook under Ubuntu.

If the man says he's running Photoshop, I have no reason to believe he's making it up.
 
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:rolleyes: Okay you're right. You didn't mention that is was more popular, just that the world as a whole is buying more systems with OSX than with Windows 7 or 8. Which is wrong.
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I NEVER said that either, you're still making it up. :rolleyes: Why don't do yourself a big favor so you'll stop digging deep holes and bring up these exact posts where I wrote this nonsense? You can't, because I never wrote it, nor did I modify a post and remove any such words.
 
So it turns out that the only difference between a MacBook Air and a Netbook was they one was small and good and one was small and bad. And this outcome shocks who?

I love how the tech press kept trying to convince us that, "oh no no, they're totally different categories!"

No, a phone is a different category. A bicycle is a different category. A Netbook is just a crappy laptop.

one costs $1000+ and the other $300.

Seriously people in thsi thread are comparing apples to saucers. The MBA is HELLISHLY more expensive than most netbooks. They aren't even in the same category.

THe netbook market died off because the companies producing them were hardly turning a profit.

I have a ASUS eePC and this thing is awesome for what it is. I used it to program in my engineering lab and do assignments in class. Was it ideal? NO! Was it portable, cheap and easily replaceable? YES! It got the job done very well, it could run MatLAB, MS Office, VPN software and torrent as needed.

Some of you guys have serious blinders on if you think that it died because Steve called it.
 
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