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Thing is, the non-retina machines have fans that constantly spin, vastly inferior cooling, way noisier and way worse battery life - even before you consider the retina display on the new machine and the several year old hardware in the classic...

If you're a tweaker, sure - you can stick 16 GB of RAM in a classic machine. You can do that in a retina if you order it with it. You also lose out on the PCIe SSD speed on the classic machine - and really, if you want to play system builder, you're opening up the can of worms that many people buy apple computers to avoid.

Been there, done that with upgrading and tweaking stuff - in my late 30s now, i just want to buy something appropriately specced, have it do the job i bought it for, for 3-4 years then replace it with the new one.

If you want to upgrade and tweak things, more power to you, but I deal with computer stuff all day at work (I'm an IT projects team leader / network / VOIP / system admin) and playing with hardware at home is the last thing i want to do with my free time now :D



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OP: the big decisions you have to make are (and this is the process I used):

Do you want a quad core or a dual? Quad forces you to 15" - but unless you're doing high end stuff, dual is fine.
Is 13" screen too small? Or is 15" too big/heavy?
How much SSD do you need?
Do you need discrete GPU (and if you're thinking about high end gaming, MacBooks are not for you)?

Once you work out the above: pick how much SSD you need in the 13" machine and either buy an off the shelf model (this is how i decided on the 2.9 GHz 512GB) or order one online. Be aware BTO can get expensive real fast and you can end up paying 50% more for a machine that isn't really much better. Save the money to upgrade to a whole new machine sooner.

If you're going 15" for reasons of CPU power, I'd suggest stepping to the i7 to get hyper threading as it can make a big difference - but on the 13" machines all the CPUs are much of a muchness (the i5 and i7 in dual core is virtually the same). You're splitting hairs between 13" machine's CPUs really - the big factor is the SSD size you want.

If you have a special requirement for heaps of RAM, bump to 16 GB, but you're going to be very much a niche case if you do. If you don't know if you need any more than 8 GB, you probably don't.

Well I really don't know much about the guts of computers. I'm pretty good with everything else that involves them but the specs and insides and junk, I suck at. I honestly would prefer the 13 over the 15". I have no clue what I'l be doing yet. I don't think I'm going to try to get a job in video or PSA making, but ya never know. I do just want to make sure I have final cut on it and that I'll be able to run it smoothly if / when I have to use it.

I'm pretty sure without turning my laptop on that I have rn this is what my specs and crap are http://www.amazon.com/Dell-Inspiron-15-6-Inch-Black-Laptop/dp/B002PY7OKI and after 5 years, it is so slow. half the time it's laggy and nothing ever responds. it takes forever to load stuff.

The desktop that I have and that I'm using right now, is my boyfriends old one. (attached photo) It's pretty nice and when I play sims 4 and minecraft there's no lag. sometimes the programs are slow loading but all and all it's pretty fast. It says 810 gb free out of 914 gb.
 

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They are considered user-replacable parts on the non-retinas. But you should make sure you hold onto the original parts as you may need to put them back in for trouble shooting if something stops working.

Out of interest, have you been to an Apple Store to have a look at these models?

I haven't. the closest one is in Pittsburgh and we haven't had time to go there yet aside for Pirates games (which all it does it rain) I'll have to stop at best buy maybe tomorrow and see. My friends from school have the older ones.
 
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Some will say the non retina is outdated and maybe it is, but it is still a powerful computer for what you want to do.
As a cMBP owner I can't disagree with that sentiment, but honestly a new cMBP is a rip considering you can get a decent refurbished or used rMBP for that money. Refurbished cMBPs are only about $850 and you can find some good used ones for $600-700. You can even find one cheaper if you're not so picky about cosmetic flaws; I got mine for $450 but it's got some scuffs and scratches.
 
The lack of a Retina display is the big deal breaker in my mind with the non-retina 13"... 1280x800 resolution is extremely limiting during a video editing workflow. Given the OP wants to use this at least partially for video editing it seems bonkers to go with a non-retina.

Additionally, the Intel 6100 in the retina is a far superior card to the Intel 4000 in the non-retina.

I guess it's up to the user to decide whether they want retina or user friendly upgrade option. Though retina is good, not everyone needs it. Some people need bigger internal storage rather than nice screen. If OP can find a cheap/refurb rMBP then that's great but if not then a non-retina MBP is also another option.
 
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^That is what my laptop is and it's super annoying, slow and constantly is 'not responding'. I have 337GB free of 451GB and I barely have anything on it.

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This is the desktop that I have that was my boyfriends. I mainly use it to play video games, listen to music and watch some youtube. It says 810 gb free out of 914 gb.
 
I don't think the OP will be notified of your reply unless you quote it directly.
no I got an email notifying me about their mesage.

No wonder your laptop is slow. It's severely under-powered.
well it was primary to get my through 4 years of college to do research and papers. well I went for 5 years and the past year and a half it's been slow as sh*t. but I probably killed it from when i would play sims 3 hours on end LOL.

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i'm gonna head to best buy tomorrow and mess around with some and see which ones i like the most. or I like the retina at all. and then I'll go from there. If I do go with the retina it's definitely gonna be refurbished.
 
You probably have a lot of malware on it now too. And stuff that shouldn't be there :D
I have a bunch of different virus scanners that kind malware and stuff and from what they've found everything is good. but who knows ! lol
 
I just graduated college with a degree in Communications. I'm looking for something that would allow me to run finalcut and photoshop. Not at the same time but be able to allow them to run smoothly.

I've been looking at Macbook Pro's and I'm not sure which route to go. If I should go with the
"13-inch MacBook Pro
2.9GHz Dual-core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost up to 3.6GHz
8GB 1600MHz DDR3 SDRAM — 2x4GB
1TB Serial ATA Drive @ 5400 rpm
SuperDrive 8x (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
Backlit Keyboard (English) & User's Guide
AppleCare Protection Plan for MacBook / MacBook Air / 13" MacBook Pro - Auto-enroll"

or if I should go with the Retina ones. With the Pros with Retina, I'm completely confused as to what route I should go, and which one would be best for me. I plan on using my pro for like I said photoshop and finalcut but also for surfing the web, netflix, NHL gamecenter, tumblr, fb, twitter, pinterest, basically the basic things online. so I need something that will be able to handle all of those things and not lag, or give me issues like my old Dell has. It's 5 years old and slow as dirt and everything just stops responding 9 times out of 10.

I've looked at the refurbished ones and I really don't have a problem buying any of those, I just don't know where to start when it comes to retina. Since I'm already spending a lot, I want to make sure that what I'm spending on a laptop will have everything that I want/need and I won't regret not getting something else.

So basically my main two questions are should i go Macbook Pro with CD rom or Macbook pro with retina? And if I go retina which one should I get/what add ons should I pay for based on what I've selected above and what my uses are?

Thank you!!
Have you taken a look at this model from Best Buy?
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/apple-m...lver/8532029.p?id=1219343157396&skuId=8532029

It's $1,424.99 ($75 off), but you can save $100 if you sign-up for the Best Buy college student deals, saving you a total of almost $200. It's the newest model with a 13.3" Retina Display, 8GB of RAM, 256GB of Flash Storage, and a 5th generation Intel Core i5 2.7GHz dual-core processor. It also has the new force-touch trackpad. It's a much better deal than getting the old $999 model and maxing it out.

By the way, congratulations on your graduation :)
 
Have you taken a look at this model from Best Buy?
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/apple-m...lver/8532029.p?id=1219343157396&skuId=8532029

It's $1,424.99 ($75 off), but you can save $100 if you sign-up for the Best Buy college student deals, saving you a total of almost $200. It's the newest model with a 13.3" Retina Display, 8GB of RAM, 256GB of Flash Storage, and a 5th generation Intel Core i5 2.7GHz dual-core processor. It also has the new force-touch trackpad. It's a much better deal than getting the old $999 model and maxing it out.

By the way, congratulations on your graduation :)


hahaha here's a funny....i actually have that one already pulled up on my computer !! :) I'll definitely look into it. I liked getting laptops when people would just buy them for me. LOL. aw thank you! :)
 
http://store.apple.com/us/product/F...-28GHz-Dual-core-Intel-i5-with-Retina-Display

For $1399 you can get a refurbished retina macbook pro; 8gb ram, 2.8ghz i5 and 512gb ssd. You can still get applecare with refurbs too! I have this model (with a slower processor and smaller ssd) and it runs photoshop and final cut (and tumblr!) really well simultaneously, but i only use them for occasional editing, nothing too major.

I'd avoid non retina macbook pros, even if you upgrade the internals, the processor is still like really old. As others have mentioned, the low resolution will be a pain for final cut and photoshop.
 
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I have a bunch of different virus scanners that kind malware and stuff and from what they've found everything is good. but who knows ! lol
Different virus scanners? No wonder it's slow. Virus scanners are known for slowing operating system. I'd say most computer will feel slow after 3-4 years. So I'd say your laptop is within the tolerance.
 
hahaha here's a funny....i actually have that one already pulled up on my computer !! :) I'll definitely look into it. I liked getting laptops when people would just buy them for me. LOL. aw thank you! :)
You're welcome :) I chuckled when I read what you wrote about getting laptops rather than buying them! But now that you have to buy one, it would be wise to make a good informed decision, so it's good that you're getting advice from different people.

Having transitioned from Windows recently, I can tell you that any Macbook Pro that you get, you will be satisfied with. The key is in spending a bit more than the least amount, but getting a much better machine. Hence, the Retina models over the non-retina model (which hasn't been updated since 2012). You want to avoid that model because you would be buying technology that is already three years old and much less likely to receive future OS upgrades than the newer machines. I'm sure others in this thread would agree that the MacBook Pro model we're talking about at $1,324.99 is an excellent deal, and one that would last you much longer than the base model.
 
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^That is what my laptop is and it's super annoying, slow and constantly is 'not responding'. I have 337GB free of 451GB and I barely have anything on it.

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This is the desktop that I have that was my boyfriends. I mainly use it to play video games, listen to music and watch some youtube. It says 810 gb free out of 914 gb.

The first machine you posted has a very old CPU and probably a hard drive rather than an SSD.

Any mac laptop you buy (except for maybe a non-retina 13" with a hard drive) will be a hell of a lot faster than that. The non-retina 13" (without adding an SSD) will only be somewhat faster :D
 
If you can afford the 512 GB model get it (tis the same model i bought recently).

You'll have a lot more headroom for the future in terms of storage, and things on your mac (as opposed to scattered on external drives) can be backed up with time machine pretty easily.

256 GB is probably "enough", but playing storage admin trying to free space up and shuffle things around is just a real pain. You're less likely to run into that problem as much with the bigger SSD. Just depends on whether it is in budget or not.

The CPU spec is irrelevant between those two machines. Yes the 512 GB model has a CPU with a higher clock but you really won't notice it. The only real difference that matters is the storage space.


Either machine will do the job just fine most likely, though. 256 GB is still a decent amount.
 
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Guys, I think I might (finally) made a decision. I'm off to BestBuy to look at the macs BUT
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/apple-m...=8532029&productCategoryId=pcmcat247400050001

I might get that one. Is that a good one that y'all would recommend for me and for what I want to do?

or should I get

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/apple-m...=8532495&productCategoryId=pcmcat247400050001
The extra $300 for 256GB more of storage seems a bit too high a price to pay. I think you would be satisfied with 256GB of storage. Should you ever need more in the future, you can always buy external USB 3.0 storage for much less than $300. Don't forget to sign-up for the college student deals if you still have your .edu email so you can save $100!
 
Well I went and looked and well o get to start allll over. I'm gonna go retina but I don't like the 13.3 inch screen
 
Well I went and looked and well o get to start allll over. I'm gonna go retina but I don't like the 13.3 inch screen
If you didn't like the 13.3" screen, then it's probably because your previous laptop had a 15.6" screen. Since your only other screen option is the 15.4", I feel bad suggesting you get it now at Best Buy, since there is a good chance that they be updated in the Fall around October (as they are every year) with the newest 6th generation Intel Skylake processors (for comparison, the current one has the 4th generation). I mention this because you would be making a big investment, and you definitely want to get your money's worth!

If you definitely cannot wait, then you should still be able to save a couple of hundred dollars depending on the sales that Best Buy has on the 15.4" model :)
 
i think i might just go with the 13 and suck it up and get used to the smaller screen.
 
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