New 12-Core Mac Pro Once Again Shows Up in Benchmarks

[davidb367]

Any 3D rendering program

How many current Mac Pro owners use software that can saturate 12 cores let alone 16 or 24?

I personally know that Poser and Lightwave will utilize every single core and every single byte of memory.

 

[handsome pete]

Rendering 3D is not that common though.

Is that sarcasm?

 

[ppdix]

This is dramatic a departure from the traditional tower and the titanium-look of every Mac computer. Interesting concept computer. Will it run cool?
I guess I need to see it in person, but this black cylinder is not quite a representation of the great machine that it is…
I wonder how it would look in the same color as the old Mac Pro.

You can always wrap it in vinyl, like a car… Matte, Carbon Fiber, chrome…
I would like a chrome one

 

[VoR]

You can always wrap it in vinyl, like a car… Matte, Carbon Fiber, chrome…
I would like a chrome one

Or pull it out of the cylinder and stack 6 of them inside the case of the old pro

edit : after hours of maths and drawings and equations - 9 of them

 

[Serban]

33000 in benchmark is a pretty number right?

 

[ppdix]

16% increase is a disgrace...

Wating 3 years for a mere 16% increase in power is just not acceptable.
I was expecting at least 50%. It doesn't make sense that the base model is slower than 3 year old technology.
The box is cool and all and lots of ports are always welcome but you don't "see" the power, you must feel it.
It's like the old Pontiac Fiero and the Ferrari kit. It looked like one but it under the hood it was still a POS…

 

[Serban]

yea this is only in cpu case..because the ram and GPU are a great welcome

 

[Mr. Wonderful]

Wating 3 years for a mere 16% increase in power is just not acceptable.
I was expecting at least 50%. It doesn't make sense that the base model is slower than 3 year old technology.
The box is cool and all and lots of ports are always welcome but you don't "see" the power, you must feel it.
It's like the old Pontiac Fiero and the Ferrari kit. It looked like one but it under the hood it was still a POS…

Talk to Intel if you're really upset. It's also unclear to me if this benchmark software takes full advantage of the new instruction sets in Ivy Bridge-E and GPU acceleration.

 

[lilo777]

It may be only a modest performance increase over the last generation Mac Pro. But that one was a modest performance increase over the one before that. And the one before that. And so on... and so on.

All computers suffer from this. We're at the mercy of Intel here... processors only advance so much each year.

For quite a while now processor power has been increased by adding more CPU cores and Intel delivered handsomely here. The reason new Mac Pro is so underpowered is because Apple skimped on CPU sockets. If Apple put two sockets there like they did in previous generations new MP would have [roughly] twice higher scores. That's what everybody expected.

 

[VoR]

Talk to Intel if you're really upset. It's also unclear to me if this benchmark software takes full advantage of the new instruction sets in Ivy Bridge-E and GPU acceleration.

I phoned intel but they said "you're comparing a dual-cpu system with a single, put another one in you idiot..."

I phoned the geekbench devs but they said "what modifier do we apply to the final score for the new cpu/gpu detection?"

 

[blackhand1001]

The gpus are the biggest ripoff, the whole point of the workstation class cards costing so much is for the windows driver certification programs they go through and that doesn't even apply for mac OS. Not to mention neither the d300 (w7000) nor the d500 (w8000) even benchmark that high. The are slower than consumer level mid range cards that cost under 300 dollars.

d300
http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=FirePro+W7000

d500
http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=FirePro+W8000

 

[lilo777]

Talk to Intel if you're really upset. It's also unclear to me if this benchmark software takes full advantage of the new instruction sets in Ivy Bridge-E and GPU acceleration.

Again, stop blaming Intel. Intel did not force Apple to use just one CPU.

 

[Serban]

The gpus are the biggest ripoff, the whole point of the workstation class cards costing so much is for the windows driver certification programs they go through and that doesn't even apply for mac OS. Not to mention the d300 (w7000) doesn't even benchmark that high.

http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=FirePro+W7000

don't forget that standard are 2xw7000 so like gtx 770

 

[blackhand1001]

don't forget that standard are 2xw7000 so like gtx 770

I'd rather have two 780gtx's for less money. Heck I would rather have one 770gtx and have the price of the machine cost 1000 dollars less than the current base price.

 

[Michael Scrip]

For quite a while now processor power has been increased by adding more CPU cores and Intel delivered handsomely here. The reason new Mac Pro is so underpowered is because Apple skimped on CPU sockets. If Apple put two sockets there like they did in previous generations new MP would have [roughly] twice higher scores. That's what everybody expected.

Ah I see. Yeah if they had put two CPUs in the new Mac Pro... that would have made a huge difference.

The new single-CPU 12-core Mac Pro is a little bit faster than the old dual-CPU 6x2-core Mac Pro... according to GeekBench. That still says something about the power of that single CPU.

But yeah... a dual-CPU configuration would have been a monster.

Has any other manufacturer put dual 12-cores in a workstation yet?

 

[kirkbross]

It really seems like we can drop the "late," "mid," or "early" prefixes for the Mac Pro models. How / why did that naming convention start with the early 2008 model?

There has never been two iterations in the same year so I think we can just simplify it to 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2012 or 2013 Mac Pro.

Am I right?

 

[bdkennedy1]

Yes, I've had two of them smart***

This is a workstation... not a home computer. It has a specific purpose.

Are you forgetting that the Mac Pro has always ranged in price from $2,500 to $10,000+ ?

 

[Michael73]

For all those out there complaining about the small Geekbench score increase over the previous model, remember there are plenty of us out there still running with MP 2,1 3,1 and 4,1 models who have stretched the life of their current machine 6+ years and will see enormous benefit in upgrading to this machine

 

[Michael Scrip]

Yes, I've had two of them smart***

Interesting... because you said the new Mac Pro will only be purchased by people who don't care about money.

The thing is... ALL Mac Pros have been similarly expensive. And you've owned two of them.

Seems to contradict your earlier statement.

Or do you not care about money?

(I'm just having some fun here... I'm not trying to start a war )

 

[borcanm]

The performance scores are lame. Might as well build a PC that's twice as fast for half the price.

 

[taojones]

take a breath

if you were a boss paying a talented graphics or video editor a 20% performance boost means that 20% of this guys expensive time is not spent watching spinning balls or crawling status bars. It also might mean getting the work done on schedule 20 % more often. Apple does a good job striking a ballance on the hard ware and has always had a rep of going for stable rather than fast as it can go and if any one on a roll has ever forgotten to hit "save as " in the heat of the desire to get the work one more step forward when the poo hit the fan stable is a good thing. so haters and knockers go buy an empty shell and build your own and run whatever you want on it and leave us Mac guys to our "misery"

 

[Michael Scrip]

if you were a boss paying a talented graphics or video editor a 20% performance boost means that 20% of this guys expensive time is not spent watching spinning balls or crawling status bars. It also might mean getting the work done on schedule 20% more often.

Well said.

 

[Umbongo]

The performance scores are lame. Might as well build a PC that's twice as fast for half the price.

So you think the 12-core model will be $12,000?

 

[linuxcooldude]

Geekbech does not include any GPU testing in its scores. Would like to see the 2012 Mac Pro with default graphic card with 2013 Mac Pro with dual firePro cards head to head. We probably would see drastically different scores.

 

[Umbongo]

Has any other manufacturer put dual 12-cores in a workstation yet?

Yes, for months. 16-core Workstations from 18 months ago will outperform this in CPU power too.

The market for DP Mac Pros was tiny though and sacrificed on the path to create a product that was interesting enough where it might increase sales volume to make it worth Apple's time producing workstations. I doubt they even accounted for 10% of Mac Pro units.