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This just says you're not listening, never were listening and never intended to listen to anyone but yourself in the mirror.

The fact you seem to think I'd like a PC tells me you know absolutely NOTHING about me or anything else because I had a PC and I don't like the OS at all. Thati s precisely why I want a Mac with a decent GPU in it. I couldn't care less if it's called a "gaming" computer or anything else. The GPU simply shouldn't be a total POS like most of them are. I don't need perfect performance and I don't want to run Windows (most games I want are available for the Mac), but I shouldn't have to put up with 640x480 to play a game in 2015 on a brand new 2015 $2000+ computer. That is RIDICULOUS. It's SAD SAD SAD you cannot seem to see, let alone grasp such BASIC concept because you're too busy trying to be Apple's #1 fan.

I'm with you on this one. It wouldnt kill Apple, or their profit margins, to offer machines that were either more upgradable, or at least could be built to order with better video cards, full 1tb SSD's, etc.
I'd never get one of the new pointlessly thin iMacs since theyre all built with a 'ticking time bomb' fusion drive. 1tb SSD option? Sorry. And those things are virtually impossible to upgrade, in service to its thinness, which becomes an utterly irrelevent feature after its been on your desk for a couple of weeks and you stop looking at it from the side to marvel at how thin it is.
 
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...but I shouldn't have to put up with 640x480 to play a game in 2015 on a brand new 2015 $2000+ computer. That is RIDICULOUS.
I wish you'd stop making crap up. I just played COD at 1920x1080 (external monitor on my MBP) with all the highest settings turned on. Not a problem, except for the fact that I don't play enough to be much competition for those I played against. Now, I know that there are newer versions of COD that probably have more features, but I think this provides plenty of evidence that you either don't know what you're talking about or don't care about the truth.

I'll note for future readers that you've yet to show a single PC manufacturer that's making a decent profit selling gaming gear.
 
That is absolutely insane! I wasn't sure I read it right. The top Sata III ssd's are like 500 something read and 500 something write. I know it's Apple's to oranges because PCIe uses a faster bus but that just is incredible.
 
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I'm with you on this one. It wouldnt kill Apple, or their profit margins, to offer machines that were either more upgradable, or at least could be built to order with better video cards, full 1tb SSD's, etc.
Kill them? No.
Hurt their profit margins? Yes. There are good reasons for reducing or eliminating user serviceable parts in any product. People are very good at screwing things up, and when they do, you end up with warranty issues and dings to your reputation for support. Both affect your profits negatively.

The days of users messing around with the insides of their computers are effectively over. They have been for more than a decade. Oh sure, there are still people who do poke around in there, and there will be for years to come, but those people already represent a tiny percentage of users. That percentage is shrinking rapidly. No matter how loudly this group complains, history isn't going to reverse itself.
 
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Apple is largely a reseller when it comes to Macs.

Quick: anyone see the contradiction in these two sentences?

Apple uses other companies' off-the-shelf parts to make their Macs and has Intel make their motherboards to order. They make a pretty case and that's it. They then mark the price up way above what anyone else on earth would dare to charge and thus make massive profits. How is that a contradiction?

I'm with you on this one. It wouldnt kill Apple, or their profit margins, to offer machines that were either more upgradable, or at least could be built to order with better video cards, full 1tb SSD's, etc.

I'd never get one of the new pointlessly thin iMacs since theyre all built with a 'ticking time bomb' fusion drive. 1tb SSD option? Sorry. And those things are virtually impossible to upgrade, in service to its thinness, which becomes an utterly irrelevent feature after its been on your desk for a couple of weeks and you stop looking at it from the side to marvel at how thin it is.

The sad thing is that the 2012 Mac Mini was easily upgradeable for hard drives and ram and incredibly easy to take apart and even offered a quad-i7 server model. The next go around they made it MISERABLE to try and upgrade, didn't offer any server options and no more quad-core i7 AND no more option for an NVidia GPU (available previously on the dual-core models). Take a good thing and RUIN it. That seems to be Apple's policy these days, particularly with OSX (see its own thread).

I wish you'd stop making crap up. I just played COD at 1920x1080 (external monitor on my MBP) with all the highest settings turned on. Not a problem, except for the fact that I don't play enough to be much competition for those I played against. Now, I know that there are newer versions of COD that probably have more features, but I think this provides plenty of evidence that you either don't know what you're talking about or don't care about the truth.

Call of Duty? The original? From 2003? THAT is your example to counter my statement that you use to accuse me of making things up??? :eek:

Yeah, I'm sure it does run just fine at 1920x1080 on a 2015 machine. I'm sure it'd run fine at that resolution on a Mac Mini from 2008. :p

Let me know when you arrive in the present day and use a game that actually needs some GPU power (BTW, actual "gaming PCs" typically run at 4k resolutions now. Casual computers run at 1080p. I can't even run an otherwise VERY FAST 2012 quad-core i7 Mini at 1080p with max settings with a very efficient game like Borderlands 2 that came out from the same time period, let alone higher resolutions or with ANY anti-aliasing turned on). ;)

The new 5k iMacs have the most powerful GPUs for gaming that Apple makes, but they can't really run any modern 3D games at 4k resolutions, let alone 5k. They're lucky to show a word processor at that resolution smoothly. Now how are they going to run a game that comes out in one or two years at that resolution? That's what you can expect from a gaming PC (i.e. 2 years of gaming at the highest resolutions for most games and more years at lower ones). Sure, if you only play puzzle games or a retro adventure type game, you can probably run them at really high resolutions (e.g. I can max out older games and puzzle games on my Mini to native resolutions, but I can't even run Call of Duty Black Ops at a reasonable resolution and it's from 2010 and my Mini is from 2012. Yeah, the Mini didnt' have the best GPU Apple offered for 2012, but that's ALSO my point. It SHOULD have. It would have made a perfectly little portable gaming box, especially with its ability to transmit video to Apple TVs around the house over Airplay (does work nice for puzzle games and a PS3 bluetooth controller here).

I'll note for future readers that you've yet to show a single PC manufacturer that's making a decent profit selling gaming gear.

You'll note something you've never asked for before and then presume I somehow should have read your mind and posted it anyway? :confused: :confused: :confused:

Kill them? No.
Hurt their profit margins? Yes. There are good reasons for reducing or eliminating user serviceable parts in any product. People are very good at screwing things up, and when they do, you end up with warranty issues and dings to your reputation for support. Both affect your profits negatively.

The days of users messing around with the insides of their computers are effectively over. They have been for more than a decade. Oh sure, there are still people who do poke around in there, and there will be for years to come, but those people already represent a tiny percentage of users. That percentage is shrinking rapidly. No matter how loudly this group complains, history isn't going to reverse itself.

Holy fracking cow Batman. More than a decade??? WTF UNIVERSE do you live in dude? "More than a decade ago", I built my first PC using Voodoo 3 technology and a Celeron 400 MHz CPU. "More than a decade ago" I had a brand new Commodore C64 for that matter. Exactly when is more than a decade ago? :eek:

Honestly, even using 2005 as an example, if you honestly believe that expandable mini-tower type computers that people could upgrade were obsolete back then, you really are living in a bubble. Did you get your first iMac in 1999 or something and think that NO ONE made expandable computers that people could tinker with since then or something? Did you miss all those PowerMac and Mac Pro models Apple themselves offered well past 2005? Have you visited any PC computer sites in the past decade? Are you aware you can still easily and readily build a Mini-Tower with 100% expandability from motherboard on up RIGHT NOW IN THE PRESENT? Or are you in the future somewhere that everyone's computer is implanted in their brain or something? :rolleyes:

Honestly, I believe some of today's youth are living in isolated Facebook bubbles tweeting away as if they were a rock star and just assume that whatever they do, the rest of the world does also. Actually, I've been under that impression for a few years now. I could provide evidence if you like (it would be your posts to start). ;)
 
I think you need to re-check those prices. A 256GB SSD goes for about $1/GB.
Here;s a link to one for $260 Cdn. http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Produc...249046&cm_re=SSD_256gb-_-20-249-046-_-Product

Yes, it is slower. Just pointing out that your prices are way off.

Here's a 400GB drive for $425 USD. With Read speeds up to 2.2GB/s
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Produc...&cm_re=SSD_PCI-Express-_-20-167-300-_-Product

I love Apple products, but Apple overcharges for upgrades, they always have.


Dude, you are linking desktop parts, and comparing them to laptop parts...
 
Call of Duty? The original? From 2003? THAT is your example to counter my statement that you use to accuse me of making things up??? :eek:

Yeah, I'm sure it does run just fine at 1920x1080 on a 2015 machine. I'm sure it'd run fine at that resolution on a Mac Mini from 2008. :p
Actually, it's COD Modern Warfare from 2007. But that's irrelevant. You said you had to stay at 640x480, and that's NEVER been true.

Let me know when you arrive in the present day and use a game that actually needs some GPU power (BTW, actual "gaming PCs" typically run at 4k resolutions now. Casual computers run at 1080p. I can't even run an otherwise VERY FAST 2012 quad-core i7 Mini at 1080p with max settings with a very efficient game like Borderlands 2 that came out from the same time period, let alone higher resolutions or with ANY anti-aliasing turned on). ;)
Raising the bar, I see. I guess that's what you have to do when proven wrong.

The new 5k iMacs have the most powerful GPUs for gaming that Apple makes, but they can't really run any modern 3D games at 4k resolutions, let alone 5k. They're lucky to show a word processor at that resolution smoothly. Now how are they going to run a game that comes out in one or two years at that resolution? That's what you can expect from a gaming PC (i.e. 2 years of gaming at the highest resolutions for most games and more years at lower ones). Sure, if you only play puzzle games or a retro adventure type game, you can probably run them at really high resolutions (e.g. I can max out older games and puzzle games on my Mini to native resolutions, but I can't even run Call of Duty Black Ops at a reasonable resolution and it's from 2010 and my Mini is from 2012. Yeah, the Mini didnt' have the best GPU Apple offered for 2012, but that's ALSO my point. It SHOULD have. It would have made a perfectly little portable gaming box, especially with its ability to transmit video to Apple TVs around the house over Airplay (does work nice for puzzle games and a PS3 bluetooth controller here).
Since you can't seem to tell the truth, I'll just say that even if what you're saying above is true, so what? Apple doesn't cater to gamers, and that's probably one of the reasons they're the most profitable company on earth.
You'll note something you've never asked for before and then presume I somehow should have read your mind and posted it anyway? :confused: :confused: :confused:
Why don't you get a friend to read through this thread and find all the places I've pointed out to you that Apple isn't a graphics card maker, and that they make computers. Maybe they can explain to you what that meant.
Holy fracking cow Batman. More than a decade??? WTF UNIVERSE do you live in dude? "More than a decade ago", I built my first PC using Voodoo 3 technology and a Celeron 400 MHz CPU. "More than a decade ago" I had a brand new Commodore C64 for that matter. Exactly when is more than a decade ago? :eek:
All you're doing is proving that you're part of that shrinking, nearly infinitesimal minority that bothers to open up a computer these days. The fact is that most users are barely aware that it's possible to do anything as simple as change a hard drive, and of those who are aware, most wouldn't think of doing it. You can scream and moan all you like, but that isn't going to change. At least not in the direction you'd like.
 
It's too bad they didn't update the body and things like usbc or the force touch trackpad.
 
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