New 15" MacBook Pro vs. New 15" Dell XPS

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  1. GtrDude macrumors regular

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  2. monkeydax macrumors 6502

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    Not to be biased in any way, but his review seemed quite one-sided without significant amounts of technical substantiation (e.g. graphics performance, use of Adobe Premier only (vs. FCP), battery life, keyboard).
     
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    What's interesting about it? He's full of ****.
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    Worse than one-sided, he just makes stuff up, e.g. about the supposed wider color space of the XPS. But yes, also quite one-sided in his assessments.
     
  4. evec macrumors regular

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    XPS 15 with worst color processor and accuracy, no reflect coating (and somebody said it good for no decoating :cool:),bad TLC SSD, bad speakers, bad coil wine, all parts easy degraded.
    The worst in 15" MBPR are expensive, no upgradeable and ports.
     
  5. tubeexperience macrumors 68030

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    Excellent review.

    Very fair and balanced.

    I only wish the Dell XPS 15 has 16:10 display.
     
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    No wonder! But seems he just quoted the Dell website/Amazon - he may not be a vendor but could be someone who has a vested interest in Dell sales.
     
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    The initial color accuracy of the XPS 4K isn't that great, but reports are that if you calibrate it, it's fine. I don't know about the color management, that's something few reviews address, and few owners know anything about. I have heard complaints about the reflectiveness of the screen, and coil whine seems to be some kind of a trademark for it. But I don't doubt it's an excellent value in its way.
     
  10. tubeexperience macrumors 68030

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    And you know this even though the laptop just came out a month ago?
     
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    Already addressed that as directly as possible without having my post removed.
     
  12. getbretweir, Feb 7, 2017
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    I recently succumbed to the impressive specs current Windows laptops are releasing. On paper, they're undoubtedly a better value, so I decided to give Windows 10 a chance and bought the XPS 13.

    First of all, the tiered insurance/warranty options are confusing, and the rep's insistence on buying the best policy was somewhat alarming. Apple Care is pretty straightforward, and having owned several MacBooks in the past, I knew I'd get great customer service and felt safe my investment would last a solid 5 years or so. I immediately didn't get that feeling from Dell. If I bought the middle insurance I'd have to wait this long and take it here, but if I got this insurance I'd get faster service and save this and that. All very confusing, and when considering the additional maintenance, insurance, and it's life expectancy, the price gap wasn't as significant.

    As far as the actual computer, the first thing that jumps out is the infinity display. It's gorgeous. I also liked the keyboard.

    Things quickly deteriorated. I thought the trackpad was broken. I don't understand how nobody had caught up to Apple, but the trackpad is not even in the same ballpark.

    Then came, the dreaded coil whine. Was it THAT bad? No, not at all. But it was just enough to irritate me and I often obsessed over it. Not good. I contacted customer service, and after speaking to 3 different people, was told that it's "normal."

    As far as performance, yeah, the Dell had better specs. But there's a reason Windows laptops plays the spec race. It's just like Android (I use a Nexus 6p btw so I'm in no way biased). They have better specs, bigger batteries, faster processors, etc but in the real world, Apple often outperforms for the obvious reasons.

    They design both software and hardware, and don't have to accommodate hundreds of devices. The sum is greater than the parts, and the result, in my opinion, is a superior experience.

    Without even discussing operating systems, I got rid of the XPS and recently grabbed the 13" nTB MBP 16/512. The insurance is straightforward, customer service exceptional and from hardware to software, is just a much better experience for me. It's also a better value despite the higher up front cost when you take all factors into consideration.
     
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    The screen is the same as for the 9550. And based on early reports from owners, the coil whine persists.
     
  14. tubeexperience macrumors 68030

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    The coil whine is a quality issue, but let's not pretend that the MacBook Pro doesn't have issues of its own either.
     
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    Ah, good point. I'll edit my post about that. But one of his videos is featured on the Dell website, with no explanation of why.
     
  16. getbretweir, Feb 7, 2017
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    The majority of complaints I've heard about the MBP are 1) price, 2) ports, 3) touch bar and 4) specs.

    1) As far as price, no complaints there. I got a corporate discount and avoided sales tax, but yeah, it's absurd.

    2) I've been using my Nexus 6p for over a year and prefer USB-C. I don't use any peripherals on the road, so my docking station at home is perfect. I am in the market for a new monitor, and the cost and limited quantity of USB-C options (don't even get me started with the LG Ultrafine) means I'll most likely settle for something that doesn't take full advantage of TB3.

    That said, I expect to get at least 4-5 years out of it, so it's not an issue for me like it might be for others.

    3) Touch bar: hate it. Don't have it. Next.

    4) I think a significant amount of complaints about specs are people obsessed with what they see on paper vs real world experience. Keep in mind, a lot of people chime in, but have no intention on even buying a MBP. They read review after review, maybe drop into their local Apple Store, and form conclusions about RAM and processing speeds when all they do is watch porn and YouTube.

    On the other end of the spectrum, there's guys editing 4k video, that need 32GB RAM and can no longer rely on Apple. I feel bad for those people, especially since other than a Hackentosh, they have no option to run Mac OS and are forced to abandon the ecosystem.

    They're few and far between though, and Apple had made it pretty damn clear for awhile now, that they're no longer interested in making products for those people.

    For what I do though, and for the things I value in a laptop, the MBP is the best option. Overpriced? No doubt about it. Best specs? Not even close. The touch bar? A joke. But I'm productive, I'm making money, and I'm happy. Until that changes, I'll continue being a customer.
     
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    There are rumors they'll put out an MBP with 32 GB RAM later this year. The problem is that it requires using desktop RAM, which reduces battery life significantly.

    Whether it's overpriced depends on whether it provides what people are willing to pay for. Apparently it does.

    By the way, you forgot the keyboard. Lot of complaints about that.
     
  18. tubeexperience macrumors 68030

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    DDR4 memory operates at the same voltage as LPDDR3.

    I was talking about the graphic issues.
     
  19. mcomp112 macrumors regular

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    Check out his other videos. He's horribly anti-Apple for no real good reason (no USB-A ports? How much longer will those ports even be useful for... at least type-C is backwards compatible) and has been a XPS fanboy for some time now.

    As someone who's used an XPS 15 I'd say the Dell is the overpriced one here. Just look at its glossy, reflecting screen that ghosts like crazy and its awful speakers...
     
  20. tubeexperience macrumors 68030

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    What are some things you have that uses USB Type C?

    I don't even have a single thing.
     
  21. mcomp112 macrumors regular

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    Pretty much everything. My monitor, my external SSD, my speakers (mini b to type-c). As for other peripherals, I can get two adapters for $9 each to use current usb-A accessories until more type-c accessories come out (not to mention a $40 dock with HDMI, DP, SD, USB all using just one port on the MBP). Type-c is undoubtedly the future (check out the new windows laptops including more type-c ports than type-a like the HP x360).

    People complaining about ports just want something to complain about.
     
  22. Sanpete macrumors 68020

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    Yes, but that doesn't determine how much power it uses at that voltage.
     
  23. getbretweir macrumors member

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    Yeah, good point about the keyboard. Forgot about that. IMO Apple spends too much time worrying about carrying a laptop vs using a laptop.

    For the life of me, I don't understand how a laptop that weighs .5 lbs lighter and 3 mm thinner is any more or less "portable." That word drives me nuts. If you can't carry around a 4 lb laptop cause it's noticably heavier than a 3 lb one, you need to worry more about lifting weights and less about computers.

    Infuriates me. What were we talking about? Oh yeah, the keyboard. Definitely hear a lot of complaints, but I've noticed that a lot of people that actually own one quickly warm up to it.

    Personally, I'd prefer a bit more travel, and I'd sacrifice a mm or two, especially if it netted me even better battery life, but I've definitely warmed up to it. There's no question I can type faster, and I like the size of the actual keys. I don't get people that complain about the noise, but if I'm gonna talk about coil whine I have to be consistent (though keyboard noise honestly doesn't bother me like coil whine for whatever reason).

    But yeah, it definitely grew on me, and from most people I've interacted with, they feel the same. Fair complaint though.
     
  24. tubeexperience macrumors 68030

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    My guess is that you choose those specific devices because they use USB Type-C.

    The fact is that for many people like myself, USB Type-C doesn't provide much advantage over USB Type-A and there is little incentive to buy USB Type-C devices.
     
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    Oh, gotcha ... I don't game or do enough to even notice. The hardest I push it is with light video editing, though I'm getting into drones and if I need more juice I'll have to reassess things. That won't be until later this year though, and on the meantime I have employees that are equipped to handle such things. Fair point though.

    Question though, can the average person even notice the difference in everyday use? I'm not into gaming (I play PS4 with my son, nothing on the computer though).. Is it the MHz/refresh rate, or am I way off on that?
     

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