member how the P2 (pentium) came out? and every1 was soo pleased by it, apar from mac users, then apple brought out their chip, the G3, 3 to make it sound better than the P2 and G because it sounds the same!! only difference now is that P2 and P3 are long gone yet the G3 is still in use, and a distance behind in the Mhz. i kno u guys love preaching how mhz dont matter and how everything works fine under current systems? well the anser is u will be still comfortably using a P4 2.6Ghz in 2 years, wer as a 700Mhz G4 will look pretty pityful. apples machines are too expensive to upgrade every year or 2. Future Proofing is an issue apple need to address.
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guv, TRY and put up something ORIGINAL in the threads, DON'T post the exact same thing in at least two different threads.
Also DO NOT DOUBLE POST!
You have been warned.
Also DO NOT DOUBLE POST!
You have been warned.
No you won't still be running a 2.6 GHz P4 in 2 years, since it will most likely have died in that time frame or the current PC hardware has progressed to the point that it is sorely out of date.
To compare it to a current G4 would be more fair, pc whiner, so let's look at a Dual 1GHz...which will still be running strong in 3 or even 4 years, requiring little to no maintenance.
Listen to Alpha and I...we are technicians, we do this for a living. Now go away before you really get us p*ssed.
guv i think what bothered alpha (besides the fact that what you said was wrong and showd little to no understanding of computers in general and mac in particular) is that you posted the exact same message more than once.
[for those who didnt see what alpha was talking about i deleted the extra posts.]
[for those who didnt see what alpha was talking about i deleted the extra posts.]
All right. Lemon, Alpha, it's my turn. 
guv, regarding your issue on price and upgrading, if you plan to upgrade Macs every two years at least you are getting a more than halfway decent upgrade. At least you upgrade to a faster Mac with more improved software and stability. When you upgrade a peecee every so often you are looking at a computer with a much faster processor, so fast that you won't even be able to put up a safety cage in time for when it crashes. And even if that cage was up, it would brun.
And, guv, you will burn as well if you continue to paint bright red bullseyes on your chest and !!!! Do not post your peecee **** here on the forums, as this is a Mac forums site. If you want to avoid the flames, either quit babbling about peecees or go to the peecee forums.
BTW, Alpha, I have an extra case stored in the shed. It's ready for backup!
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guv, regarding your issue on price and upgrading, if you plan to upgrade Macs every two years at least you are getting a more than halfway decent upgrade. At least you upgrade to a faster Mac with more improved software and stability. When you upgrade a peecee every so often you are looking at a computer with a much faster processor, so fast that you won't even be able to put up a safety cage in time for when it crashes. And even if that cage was up, it would brun.
And, guv, you will burn as well if you continue to paint bright red bullseyes on your chest and !!!! Do not post your peecee **** here on the forums, as this is a Mac forums site. If you want to avoid the flames, either quit babbling about peecees or go to the peecee forums.
BTW, Alpha, I have an extra case stored in the shed. It's ready for backup!
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Aye, putting three identical posts (to the letter) in two different threads (at least that I saw) is not acceptable behavior. Besides reaking of a peecee troll, posts should be unique to where they are posted. Typical lack of imagination that permiates the peecee world (and m$ too).
Hey KC, next time you catch it doing that again, let me know before you open up the cans so that I can watch (if not participate).
Good to see that I was not alone in feeling as I did about that personage. Not tooo surprised that it came from a 17 yo (at least if the profile info is correct).
Originally posted by AlphaTech
Hey KC, next time you catch it doing that again, let me know before you open up the cans so that I can watch (if not participate).
I'm an impacient person, and when I see a target I do not usually hesitate to fire.
Besides, if you weren't on the forums, how would I contact you? I do not think a phone call or a singing telegram would work!
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Just a thought: wouldn't it suck sorry, hairy ass if apple renamed the Powermac to Powermac XP or something?
Originally posted by King Cobra
I'm an impacient person, and when I see a target I do not usually hesitate to fire.
Besides, if you weren't on the forums, how would I contact you? I do not think a phone call or a singing telegram would work!
A strippergram would be appreciated
Well it's always nice to see the signal to noise ratio hold true in a rumors forum and it appears there are a few folks with blinders and one or more with some serious insecurities begging for attention with their posts. At least some of you understood what was said to begin with. I'm not saying you agreed but it was obvious you understood. That's cool with me.
At any rate to those with blinders, hey I've been there. There is hope for you. As for those with insecurities go home and talk to your mom a little more often. Maybe she can help you get through these tough times as you strive to adapt to the changes in life. You'll have to decide for yourself though if changing your name might help get you on your way finally. Basically ease up. This is just a forum catered to Mac folks. Thumping your chest and insulting others really means nothing but entertainment and I have to admit it was pretty funny.
I will reiterate to folks in case they missed it before. I have no problem with the G series naming. I merely suggested that Apple might consider something new that still would make sense since the G series naming has been around awhile now. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less. In the public eye though a new snazzy name could do wonders for sales if done correctly. Some of you have trouble grasping that. Also lets not forget that Apple has actually been moving away from the G series naming. The new iMac was never called the iMac G4. What about the eMac? Nope. XServe? Nope. iBook G3? Not yet and I'll be shocked if there's ever an iBook G4...for a name.
Lastly the G series marketing done by Apple does refer to the system generations and not specifically the processor or at least I will admit it did in the beginning with the G3. That was straight from a few folks both at Apple and some closely associated with them. They just capitalized on the processor code names. It made sense. This may have changed though as it is not uncommon for Apple or anyone else to change roadmaps. I'm no longer in contact with those who would know that now. I will also admit that the G naming scheme could continue to follow the G naming scheme of the cpu since that can affect the architecture of the system. We'll just have to see.
So there you have it. For those who want to thump your chest again. Go ahead. Insult me, ban me, whatever. It doesn't really matter. If it's fun for you, go for it. At least the lurkers can get a good laugh like I used to.
At any rate to those with blinders, hey I've been there. There is hope for you.
As for those with insecurities go home and talk to your mom a little more often. Maybe she can help you get through these tough times as you strive to adapt to the changes in life. You'll have to decide for yourself though if changing your name might help get you on your way finally. Basically ease up. This is just a forum catered to Mac folks. Thumping your chest and insulting others really means nothing but entertainment and I have to admit it was pretty funny.I will reiterate to folks in case they missed it before. I have no problem with the G series naming. I merely suggested that Apple might consider something new that still would make sense since the G series naming has been around awhile now. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less. In the public eye though a new snazzy name could do wonders for sales if done correctly. Some of you have trouble grasping that. Also lets not forget that Apple has actually been moving away from the G series naming. The new iMac was never called the iMac G4. What about the eMac? Nope. XServe? Nope. iBook G3? Not yet and I'll be shocked if there's ever an iBook G4...for a name.
Lastly the G series marketing done by Apple does refer to the system generations and not specifically the processor or at least I will admit it did in the beginning with the G3. That was straight from a few folks both at Apple and some closely associated with them. They just capitalized on the processor code names. It made sense. This may have changed though as it is not uncommon for Apple or anyone else to change roadmaps. I'm no longer in contact with those who would know that now. I will also admit that the G naming scheme could continue to follow the G naming scheme of the cpu since that can affect the architecture of the system. We'll just have to see.
So there you have it. For those who want to thump your chest again. Go ahead. Insult me, ban me, whatever. It doesn't really matter. If it's fun for you, go for it. At least the lurkers can get a good laugh like I used to.
this would go against nearly every rule of branding. apple has made great, great effort to not only brand its computers, but the processors in them as well. think back to those Blue and White cases with the G3 screened on the inside of them.
you're right, they do appear to be moving away from using the G3 and G4 in the names of their machines. but not entirely...it appears their reserving processor bragging for their top-level machines (PowerBook G4, and Power Mac G4), the processor seems almost besides the point with the Xserve...and for the consumer line, that's just extra information the average joe consumer doesn't really need to worry about. "Will a G4 make Quicken file my taxes faster?"
but the point that you seem to be missing in all of this is a simple one: why would they sacrifice the G-series naming convention which the public is both receptive to, and comfortable with, in favour of something new - as well as something arbitrary? is it going to be the new Power Mac 325i? nope. because when you do numerical names like that they usually have some relationship to the object being named - unless you're hyundai. BMW does Series+engine+i (which used to indicate fuel injected, from what i remember, plus it appends other letters to denote trim-levels etc.). Mercedes does Class(+optional trim level)+engine displacement. y'understand?
sounds like a mighty big coincidence to me. i really doubt that it was used to denote "Generation 3" only once...then went on to refer to the chip. their marketing might have tried to explain it to the public that way (i really don't remember)...but what the marketing department dreams up and what's actually real are usually two different things. but this hardly matters. it now refers to the chip, this is inarguable.
ok my turn to chime in here...Aside from triple posting just plain sucking...the fact that it's the exact same thing shows that u are still trying to defend an already dead issue...nothing new or more to add. Why even bother even trying? Alpha's just going to serve u up like yesterday's french fries...esp. when Lemon is on his side...
Originally posted by eyelikeart
esp. when Lemon is on his side...
Yeah, how often does THAT happen??? LMAO!!!
I think Cappy may have a point, but with some qualification:
1. G3 & G4 refer to the Motorola roadmap
2. They also refer to Apple systems
3. The Mac and Macintosh brand is here to stay - it's an iconic brand that Apple has invested substantial marketing funds in over the years.
4. The simiplification of the Apple product line has made things easier for everyone.
Having said all that...
5. Apple has been known to rebrand Motorola technologies before. Eg. "Altivec" becomes "Velocity Engine"
6. If we're stuck with G4 for another year, it will start to sound increasingly tired
7. AMD rebadged their processor line last year to make them sound competative against Intel chips with higher clock speeds - there's no reason why Apple can't re-badge their systems for the same reason.
8. Rebranding the Pro systems whilst keeping the "Mac' name in some form would take some heat off the whole G5 debate.
If you want my opinion, we could see something like "xMac" released this Summer.
Now bring on the flames!
1. G3 & G4 refer to the Motorola roadmap
2. They also refer to Apple systems
3. The Mac and Macintosh brand is here to stay - it's an iconic brand that Apple has invested substantial marketing funds in over the years.
4. The simiplification of the Apple product line has made things easier for everyone.
Having said all that...
5. Apple has been known to rebrand Motorola technologies before. Eg. "Altivec" becomes "Velocity Engine"
6. If we're stuck with G4 for another year, it will start to sound increasingly tired
7. AMD rebadged their processor line last year to make them sound competative against Intel chips with higher clock speeds - there's no reason why Apple can't re-badge their systems for the same reason.
8. Rebranding the Pro systems whilst keeping the "Mac' name in some form would take some heat off the whole G5 debate.
If you want my opinion, we could see something like "xMac" released this Summer.
Now bring on the flames!
it seems logical, i know. it's hard to resist the temptation to believe that apple's going to give you a new moniker, just for the hell of it...just for ****s and giggles.
but...wait. why? what advantage? did they change the name of the new iMac to Unicron, or Optimus Prime? nope. they just radically changed its design and performance. It would logically be the under-educated consumer market that they'd try to pull a fast one like that on. the more educated professional market ain't gunna be fooled. sure, some of you will blow your load if you see a Power Mac GSpot or something...but i think you'd all catch on pretty quick "hey...this is last year's Power Mac with some Pokémon stickers on it!"
so let's all be realistic. you're going to see another Power Mac. it's going to be a G4. but it's likely going to have a new case (though i'm surprised this hasn't been leaked yet). It'll have a code-name like Mittens, or Mr. Muggins - and we'll all know what that case's codename is - because that's apparently what macusers do best.
i dunno, maybe i'm just being pessimistic.
but...wait. why? what advantage? did they change the name of the new iMac to Unicron, or Optimus Prime? nope. they just radically changed its design and performance. It would logically be the under-educated consumer market that they'd try to pull a fast one like that on. the more educated professional market ain't gunna be fooled. sure, some of you will blow your load if you see a Power Mac GSpot or something...but i think you'd all catch on pretty quick "hey...this is last year's Power Mac with some Pokémon stickers on it!"
so let's all be realistic. you're going to see another Power Mac. it's going to be a G4. but it's likely going to have a new case (though i'm surprised this hasn't been leaked yet). It'll have a code-name like Mittens, or Mr. Muggins - and we'll all know what that case's codename is - because that's apparently what macusers do best.
i dunno, maybe i'm just being pessimistic.
When AMD "re-badged" their Athlon series of processors, it was accompanied by a processor alteration as well. They now include additional coding to allow software that previously performed better on (or demanded) intel chips to run just as well (if not better) on the AMD Athlon XP processor line.
That being said, the XP1600+ (1.4GHz) actually outperforms an Athlon 1.4GHz chip. We are talking real world usage, not some ambiguous benchmark testing. One of the computer shops that I frequent, and obtain parts from, built two identical rigs with the processors being the only difference. With that, the one with the XP1600+ chip did outperform the one with the Athlon 1.4GHz.
I recently upgraded from a 1.4GHz t-bird (Athlon) to an XP2100+ (1.73GHz) chip and it performs much better then the 330MHz would dictate. Games are also perform much better on them, since they include code that is for the peeX line of chips.
With the AMD chips now including that extra coding, there was a real reason to rename the processor line.
As for Apple doing something like that... I don't see them taking that road. They could make the processor technical designation more available, but then again, most of the tech people that care about such things, already have that info (or know how to get it). MOST people only care about the speed numbers, and how much it costs (main reason that peecee's are sold so much).
Now if you will excuse me (or even if you don't) I have systems that need repairing...
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How about that? You actually were able to sound like a mature person here with some logic and understanding. We'll keep it positve and stop here so you don't develop a complex.
Seriously though I did a quick search through here of your posts and many times you actually sound like a normal person helping out on the forums. That's cool...keep it up. Still not sure what happens those other times though but I'm sure you're going to tell us at some point.
Back on topic though sure the odds are against Apple changing it. It costs them money to make changes like that. They're research tells them when it's time to do it and there will be a time.
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man u guys take urselves way to seriosuly. i mite not be a tech like u guys but i hav got an advanced higher in computer studies which put me out the pool of "not idea bout computer at all". if u guys want to dictate ur opinion like a fascist recheme, go 4 it. ill bugger off and find a democratic forum. ive been a whole hearted mac user for 10 years, and im the only 1 i kno out side the guy in the ediburgh mac center.
in this new democratic forum...do you all vote on which topic's next, or which post to post? so far as i can tell - you're free to post here what you'd like...within reason. if you're going to say something that's _obviously_ wrong - you're going to get people correcting you (it's a little like reality in that regard, no?)...
anyway...just relax, take a deep breath, you'll be fine.
It wouldn't be so bad if you hadn't posted the EXACT SAME THING in another thread. Do THAT at your own peril. IT was NO f*cking accident.
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Let us allow people the occasional error lest we foster a climate of fear.
Of course, its insane for me to stand tween AlphaTech and his newest meat puppet.
Yet, surely this indescretion is small, there must be bigger meat to fry?
Let us allow people the occasional error lest we foster a climate of fear.
Of course, its insane for me to stand tween AlphaTech and his newest meat puppet.
Yet, surely this indescretion is small, there must be bigger meat to fry?
Cappy may be right
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Alphatech chimes in
Cappy makes a sensible reply, which, oh horror , questions something that Alphatech has written - "With your thought process you probably had a fit when they came out with the iMac" - yes, he probably did.
Alphatech throws a fit - "For them to suddenly switch to something different would be about as moronic as the handle you selected... what is it again 'Crappy'??? Sounds about right".
Alphatech, is it that your number of posts is inverse to your ability to understand what Apple is really about, i.e. innovation ?
You seem to have been somewhat riled by the satire in Cappy's
<insert clever, witty saying here>
<insert some certification here to sound superior>
<insert hardware owned here to sound, well, uh cool>
Oh no, but wait, he doesn't have a high post count, so whatever he writes must be rubbish....
Cappy posts
Alphatech chimes in
Cappy makes a sensible reply, which, oh horror , questions something that Alphatech has written - "With your thought process you probably had a fit when they came out with the iMac" - yes, he probably did.
Alphatech throws a fit - "For them to suddenly switch to something different would be about as moronic as the handle you selected... what is it again 'Crappy'??? Sounds about right".
Alphatech, is it that your number of posts is inverse to your ability to understand what Apple is really about, i.e. innovation ?
You seem to have been somewhat riled by the satire in Cappy's
<insert clever, witty saying here>
<insert some certification here to sound superior>
<insert hardware owned here to sound, well, uh cool>
Oh no, but wait, he doesn't have a high post count, so whatever he writes must be rubbish....
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