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On a side note, today I had reason to use the calculator on my Razr, I believe it took 9 button presses to get to it. Everytime I catch a glimpse of that iPhone and envision osx on it my current phone grows more repulsive to look at and use. Come on June.

14 on my Nokia phone, 16 if you include unlocking the keypad first. Well over 30 if you consider my getting lost every time I want to use something other than phoning, texting or internet.

And to think that Nokia are the least confusing and most intuitive phones that I have used...... (Don't get me started on Motorolas.)
 
As for free software/software update, Apple has been doing this all along with all their hardware and software so this is not unexpected. This is just reassurance that Apple is committed to these NEW products as much as the iPod, Macs and their apps.

If anything, I would like some reassurance that Apple are as committed to Macs as they are the NEW products!
 
On a side note, today I had reason to use the calculator on my Razr, I believe it took 9 button presses to get to it. Everytime I catch a glimpse of that iPhone and envision osx on it my current phone grows more repulsive to look at and use. Come on June.

9 button presses? You do know that Motorola's interface is completely customizable and you can change the up, down, left, right, or either of the soft keys into a one press calculator. I'm not crazy about motorolas interfaces by any means, but at least learn what you can do (and change!) with your device before you go complaining about it. :rolleyes:
 
9 button presses? You do know that Motorola's interface is completely customizable and you can change the up, down, left, right, or either of the soft keys into a one press calculator. I'm not crazy about motorolas interfaces by any means, but at least learn what you can do (and change!) with your device before you go complaining about it. :rolleyes:

Same for the Nokia owner above.

The UI is customizable, you can move around apps, assign short cuts etc.
 
hello skype for iphone!!

That would totally rock. I might actually buy an iPhone if I didn't need to pay for service I rarely use. I have WiFi and Home and WiFi at work, and only really need standard phone service when I'm on the road and not in range of a WiFi signal. While that means I'd still need it, I could get by with bare-bones phone service (at a much lower cost) and I'd never even really notice.
 
I'm sure this little to do with Apple's stated explanation, and is driven by its arrangement with ATT to support the service and revenue share, since the phone is worthless to consumer without the service.
 
As long as i can get "ichat" and a PDF/word viewer i'm a happy camper.
Do you think AIM express would work if i really needed to go on AIM?
 
As long as i can get "ichat" and a PDF/word viewer i'm a happy camper.
Do you think AIM express would work if i really needed to go on AIM?

If I understand you correctly, then no. Since you can't load 3rd party software on, and since the software would no work with the phone's OS, there would be no way to make that work. However, I will be very disappointed in Apple if they don't add iChat AV functionality at least at some point during the next year or so (although the "V" part might be pointless, since the camera is on the back, at least for now). iChat works with AIM, so you'd be good to go if they implement it. For AIM text chat, I'm sure it will be included with the first edition.
 
9 button presses? You do know that Motorola's interface is completely customizable and you can change the up, down, left, right, or either of the soft keys into a one press calculator. I'm not crazy about motorolas interfaces by any means, but at least learn what you can do (and change!) with your device before you go complaining about it. :rolleyes:
OK Spare me the defense of how well my phone works, I use it alot and I'm not impressed. I'll grant you that I could have spent an unknown amount of time learning how to customize the interface of a phone, but that really doesn't appeal to me. It's a phone for God's sake, I want to pick it up and have simple functions readily apparent and easy to use.

So I guess the default for OSX should be to have all the items in your dock hidden away in obscure folders, and accessible only through Finder. But if you stumble upon the commands to do so, you can set up a visable dock that makes sense, oh wait, that is how it ships from the factory. Sounds very intuitive, we should submit that idea to Apple.

My experience with Macs has raised my levels of expectation with everything I buy, and the iPhone makes my Razr look ridiculous.
 
OK Spare me the defense of how well my phone works, I use it alot and I'm not impressed. I'll grant you that I could have spent an unknown amount of time learning how to customize the interface of a phone, but that really doesn't appeal to me. It's a phone for God's sake, I want to pick it up and have simple functions readily apparent and easy to use.

Amen. Heh. Customize the UI in order to use one feature that one very rarely uses? Reserve a keystroke for said feature? Bleh. To continue the analogy above... OS X allows someone to add shortcuts to menu items and customize toolbars, but this is a poor substitute for making the user experience enough intuitive in the first place.

And yes, the Razr is atrocious. This isn't Apple-praising, either: My Sony Walkman phone is a great phone - easy to use, intuitive, etc... My wife's Razr is an abomination. Seriously...it's probably the ugliest, least intuitive UI I've ever used.
 
although the "V" part might be pointless, since the camera is on the back, at least for now).

I think Belkin will come up with a very reasonable solution to the camera being on the back by a very low-cost attachment of a mirror or two that that the camera is facing you. You just have to hold the phone upside down so you come across as right-side up. I think. Maybe Belkin will give the software that flip the image upside down.

Photobooth for the iPhone?
 
Interesting. So with todays earnings report only 1/24th of all :apple: TV's sold to date were included in the report. (The next report would have 3/24 - it was only out for 1 month in the current report.)

Yeah, but it's cumulative. Next quarter you'll have 3/24 of the sales made in the first month, 3/24 of the sales made in the second month, etc.

I don't know if this was part of Apple's intent but it should make the quarter-over-quarter sales numbers more consistent and steadily growing, and the markets love consistency with steady growth.
 
This to me is what is so great about the iPhone, it is completely soft and changes can be made at any time. New interfaces and apps whenever they come up can be implemented. I expect this will be an exciting product with Apple throwing so much in the way of resources behind it.

On a side note, today I had reason to use the calculator on my Razr, I believe it took 9 button presses to get to it. Everytime I catch a glimpse of that iPhone and envision osx on it my current phone grows more repulsive to look at and use. Come on June.

Someone needs to rtm and learn how to use shortcut keys. My calculator is 2 keys away. Menu, 3. My calendar, menu,2. My alarm clock, menu,1.
 
Someone needs to rtm and learn how to use shortcut keys. My calculator is 2 keys away. Menu, 3. My calendar, menu,2. My alarm clock, menu,1.
You're joking, right? I need to memorize sets of keystroke combinations in order to access my calender in reasonable time?

Look, I'm happy for you, it's great that you have taken the time to learn the intricate menus and shortcuts required to use a phone. I'm hoping for something a little better. Some people like to write command lines, I prefer GUI.
 
You're joking, right? I need to memorize sets of keystroke combinations in order to access my calender in reasonable time?

Look, I'm happy for you, it's great that you have taken the time to learn the intricate menus and shortcuts required to use a phone. I'm hoping for something a little better. Some people like to write command lines, I prefer GUI.



Right on, brother
 
Someone needs to rtm and learn how to use shortcut keys. My calculator is 2 keys away. Menu, 3. My calendar, menu,2. My alarm clock, menu,1.

And what about people like me who remember things by sight, not by number? I can't even remember which F key brings up Exposé - I use active screen corners instead. I tried using Quicksilver but found I hated using the keyboard and much preferred icons on the Dock.

I used to have a head for sequences but my memory has been shocking since I left school. Probably caused by too much alcohol. :(
 
Right on, brother
I'm glad I'm not alone here. Basic functionality should be at the topmost levels of an interface, and it should be easy to get to. Drilling down into labrynths of submenus is for more advanced features and less used tools.

Think about the screen on the iPhone, the basic features are always docked at the bottom so they are never more than a click away, and if you leave an app to go into another app for something, when you come back to it you will be right where you were when you left it, like in the iPod. That's smart.
 
And what about people like me who remember things by sight, not by number? I can't even remember which F key brings up Exposé - I use active screen corners instead. I tried using Quicksilver but found I hated using the keyboard and much preferred icons on the Dock.

I used to have a head for sequences but my memory has been shocking since I left school. Probably caused by too much alcohol. :(
I too have a hard time with keyboard shortcuts and do most everything with my mouse, having visual cues is essential for me.
 
I too have a hard time with keyboard shortcuts and do most everything with my mouse, having visual cues is essential for me.

That is strictly personal preference. Keyboard shortcuts can be just as fast and effective as using the mouse or touching.

Also, there are many phones on the market which have addressed alot of the usability issues the iPhone is trying to hit. For example, on Windows Mobile, major applications can be accessed in one tap from the today screen via each app's respective today view plug-in. Honestly, do you think apple created the idea of a "Home view" on mobile phones?

It's amazing here the lack of knowledge about mobile devices, and the conclusions being made from them!
 
I have learned something today. My Verizon Razr is not crap, it is a beautiful, inspiring piece of technology that I just never took the time to love. Maybe if I start now by June I will have mastered the requisite skills for using it. With hindsight, I clearly understand that the iPhone is a rehash of the pioneering efforts of Motorola and Microsoft, and that I shouldn't want anything more. I have been schooled.
 
There is no "subsidy" because there is a "reverse subsidy", even at the $599 price point and 50% gross margin :)


We don't know what the gross margin is - the iSuppli estimate is (a), just that, an estimate, and (b), cost of materials only.

The gross margin will be the percentage or dollar markup over the total cost, which is made up of fixed, variable, and semi-variable costs.

Assuming iSuppli's numbers are right - and on that point I have no opinion - a more realistic gross will be more in the neighborhood of 25 - 35%, indicating a total cost to Apple of $445 - $480.

And if you've ever read Apple's financials, you know that we'll never be able to really break it down. Outside of Steve, the accounting & finance departments, and the board of directors, pretty much nobody's ever been able to truly decipher the particulars of Apples discrete P&L line items.
 
:apple: tv updates are much needed atleast play avi :p

Actually they should update the Airport Extreme again with 10/100/1000 (4-ports), 2 usb ports. Only thing thats really keeping me from buying it.
 
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