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Killerbob

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Given yesterday's announcement of the new Studio Display, I am now in doubt... I have a 2013 Mac Pro (MacPro6,1) that I use with two ATDs. I want to upgrade to an IPS 4K (at least), 27-32" monitor, and thus far I thought I was going to get the Dell U3223QE.

  • The Dell is obviously bigger - 31.5" vs. 27".
  • The Studio Display has a decent webcam, but the Dell is a thousand bucks cheaper, and I can get a webcam, and stil have leftover money.
  • They are both IPS monitors.
  • The Studio Display is 5K, but I will only be able to run it at 4K using my 2013 Mac Pro.
  • They both have a glass surface.
  • The Dell will pivot, the Studio Display will not.
  • The Studio Display has higher brightness (600 nits vs. 400).
  • They both have USB-C downstream ports.

Am I missing anything?
 
Aesthetics. I’m guessing the Studio Display is a much nicer design to look at.

Studio Display is supposed to have good speakers.

Studio Display has the A13 chip. I’m waiting for the first of reviews. I want to know how well optimized this monitor is for Mac and possibly compatible iPads.

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The Studio Display is 5K, but I will only be able to run it at 4K using my 2013 Mac Pro.
I'd go with the Dell "4K" monitor for this reason alone. I have a 5K monitor (Dell UP2715K), and running it at "4K" and having it upscale that to 5K looks much worse than native 5K.
 
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Yep, the 2013 Mac Pro can connect to the Studio Display, but probably "only" at 4K/60Hz. Some Apple support says it will work at 5K using dual-cable, but that has not been confirmed.

How does 4K look on a 5K monitor?
 
How does 4K look on a 5K monitor?
It's visibly and annoyingly blurry, especially once you've seen native 5K and know how crystal-clear and pin-sharp it's supposed to be. I wouldn't recommend doing it and will never do it again.

:)
 
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Im in the same boat. Studio display is amazing (apple native, a13 pluses) but Im leaning towards the Dell since its 32-inch and after reading a lot of opinions and reviews people are confortable running native 4k res on a 32 inch (versus using scaling on a 27 5k inch), specialy on macos which doesnt have the same amount of scaling options as windows.

In the end of the day I’ll have more screen real state by getting the Dell (native 4k vs scaled QHD) and also will run away fron scaling issues.

Also Dell costs 50% of the Studio..
 
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I must admit the only thing that is holding me back is that the Dell does not have the glossy glass front like does the Apple displays. I'll be putting the new monitor in between two Apple Thunderbolt Displays, in a three-monitor setup, and I am afraid it will look wrong with the two glossy glass monitors and a non-glossy glass.

The technical Apple specifics, like the 12MP camera and Center Stage, the speakers and microphones, and support for Siri, are all gimmicks I can buy (4K Webcam), or have already (Paired HomePods).
 
I must admit the only thing that is holding me back is that the Dell does not have the glossy glass front like does the Apple displays. I'll be putting the new monitor in between two Apple Thunderbolt Displays, in a three-monitor setup, and I am afraid it will look wrong with the two glossy glass monitors and a non-glossy glass.

The technical Apple specifics, like the 12MP camera and Center Stage, the speakers and microphones, and support for Siri, are all gimmicks I can buy (4K Webcam), or have already (Paired HomePods).
Good point, I’m taking this off my list
 
I must admit the only thing that is holding me back is that the Dell does not have the glossy glass front like does the Apple displays. I'll be putting the new monitor in between two Apple Thunderbolt Displays, in a three-monitor setup, and I am afraid it will look wrong with the two glossy glass monitors and a non-glossy glass.

The technical Apple specifics, like the 12MP camera and Center Stage, the speakers and microphones, and support for Siri, are all gimmicks I can buy (4K Webcam), or have already (Paired HomePods).
Well, it seems to me this new Apple display doesn't have the glossy glass front unlike every other Apple screen to date, they specifically mentioned a matt coating, which is a big reason why I'm not even considering it.
 
hmmm - I thought as they specifically say you can order the Nano-matt glass, that the standard would be glossy. I guess I will have to wait until someone posts user pictures.

If the Studio Display is not glossy, it'll be a very easy decision for me - Dell here we go...

It's so annoying that there aren't that many glossy displays out there, especially not 4K ones.
 
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All 5K displays released so far have been glossy, so it would be surprising if the Studio Display weren’t.
I know right?
And yet: “Minimal glare for maximum focus. Studio Display comes standard with an industry‑leading anti‑reflective coating designed to reduce glare for better comfort and readability. So every word and pixel comes through vividly, with extremely low reflectivity.”

This is straight from Apple website, and if you look at promotional video, it quite clearly appears matte.
 
On the pictures it looks like there is a glass on top and it looks kind of reflective. Come Friday, we know for sure :)
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You've kind of summed it all up nicely in your original post. I guess the speakers and mic array might be much better quality based on how Apple have done with these in recent laptops. That may or may not be a big selling point for you though depending on how many hours you spend on video calls each day!
 
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Where in that picture do you see even the tiniest reflection?
I said kind of..not that it certainly is reflective. At the corners it looks like glass which is glued on top of the frame.
 

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Looking at the picture it actually looks plenty glossy and reflective to me. You can certainly easily make out the table in front of the screen.
 
I had a 27" iMac around 2016. I'm not sure if their Anti-Reflective Coating has changed since then, but I do remember it being glossy and somewhat reflective.

The Nano-Coating offering is pricey, and from the looks of the reviews online, some people are advising going with the regular standard glass (burry text, extra-care for the coating, etc). I would be wary of getting that option if you're not in direct sunlight or bright rooms. I have a home office/work studio which was converted from a media room, no windows, and direct control of lighting. Not worried about the standard glass and I'm not noticing any real issues with my MBP 16".

I remember buying a $20 matte film you could place on the 27" iMac, and I did use that for a year or so before I removed it. If you're looking to cut cost and get a matte finish, just be aware that there are cheap matte films made by third party sellers that does a decent job of reducing glare. Although, with anything matte, the texts do get blurry and you lose that crispiness.

I went with the Studio Display for the following reasons:

1. Solid Aluminum Housing, Quality Build.
No plastic, No wobbly stand.

2. Integration with Mac Lineups.
This is a big one for me, I don't think any third party monitor will come close to the integration Apple is able to have across their own product line. I would argue that this is a fact, based on the 7 or so years since Apple discontinued display manufacturing. After 7 years, nobody has come close to what LG has done, and even LG hasn't come close to what Apple does. I'm unwilling to wait another 7 years for a third party company to try. Frankly, very tired of the "waiting game" for companies to step it up with their build quality and integration into Mac lines. I think it's obvious they simply don't care the same way Apple does.

3. Streamline Clean and Simple Design, No visual distractions on the Build.
Tacky logos, plastic bezels, chunky stands. I want to see my content on the monitor, not the monitor itself.

4. 12MP Compact/Built-In Web Camera Guaranteed to work with Apple Silicon.
Most third party webcams, even Logitech is lagging behind on Mac compatibility, resolution, image quality. Better options require upgrades to Mirrorless or DSLR which is expensive, bulky, and clutters workspace. The integration alone requires extra purchases, software, capture cards etc.. it gets expensive fast for similar quality and integration. It's a headache. I know because I've looked and read up a lot.

5. Quality Built-In Speakers and Sound Engineering.
I use noise cancelling headphones at all times (Sony), so the speakers are not necessary for me, but one of the benefits is reducing clutter* by eliminating extra purchases such as external speakers or bluetooth speakers in case you ever need it.

6. Resale Value.
This is a big one especially when it comes to reducing e-waste. I like knowing my old electronics find a new owner and a good home where people will use them and find enjoyment using the products. Apple retains their value so much better than most other manufacturers. I think the quality and reliability creates a used market that makes it easy to offload older Apple products and get some of your money back to put towards future upgrades and essentially keeping it out of the landfills and dumps. That solid aluminum build is something even the used product market recognizes as quality worth paying a bit more for than their plastic counterparts.

7. USB-C Only.
It's a plus for me, as I've offloaded almost all of my USB-A devices and swapped to USB-C.

That's my list of upsides.

My downsides?
1. Price, price, price
2. No Mini-LED
3. No non-camera, non-audio options (for dual or triple setups)

There were more upsides than downsides, and so I went with the Studio Display* but I won't be doing a dual setup. That would be way too expensive, even for me lol I might wait a few more years to see if Apple decides to upgrade their display lineup with more options or wait for refurbished models? For now though, I'll have a decent quality display to last several years and I'm fine with that ?

That being said, I think if you're absolute on the dual setup. I would go with the Dell.

Edit: I would like a dual Studio Display setup, but I can't justify the purchase - it seems excessive. 2 Webcams, and 2 sets of sound system with one only ever being utilized? I'll wait for the refurbished market and prices and reconsider at a later time, but one is enough for now.
 
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Funnily enough, I ordered the Dell U3223QE about a week prior to them announcing the studio display. It gets here next week. I also ordered a Mac Studio display as soon as the keynote ended and it arrives on Friday.

I had hoped that the, ahem, "budget" Apple display would have been 30-32". Under $2k for 32" 4K would have been a no brainer, but as it stands I have to select a $1,700 27" Apple vs. a $900 32" Dell.

On paper, the Dell makes the most sense to me as a productivity focused display. It is bigger and 4K is enough for any spreadsheet, but it's a Dell and the Apple is going to be better engineered, look nicer and will be rich with features that I don't need. i.e. the 14" MBP already has a webcam and I have a HomePod for music.

My guess is that I'll begrudgingly keep the Apple because I love Apple's aesthetic and how it integrates with MacOS. The old 27" Thunderbolt Display was the best computer monitor that I've ever and I suspect that I will feel the same way about the Studio Display.
 
I had hoped that the, ahem, "budget" Apple display would have been 30-32". Under $2k for 32" 4K would have been a no brainer, but as it stands I have to select a $1,700 27" Apple vs. a $900 32" Dell.
Don't forget the different resolution and pixel density. 27" 5K has the perfect resolution/pixel density for macOS, 31.5" "4K" is a bit on the low side with 140 PPI and you have to live with non-integer scaling and the blurriness it introduces... unless you're happy with 1920×1080 real estate on the 31.5".
 
Don't forget the different resolution and pixel density. 27" 5K has the perfect resolution/pixel density for macOS, 31.5" "4K" is a bit on the low side with 140 PPI and you have to live with non-integer scaling and the blurriness it introduces... unless you're happy with 1920×1080 real estate on the 31.5".
I’m currently running 2560 x 1600 on a 30“ Dell U3014. It’s a little crunchy but has never bothered me - at least not until I got the 14” MacBook Pro alongside it.

Bottom line is that my eyes aren’t what they used to be and my work is all MS Office not pro graphics.
 
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So the Studio Display for sure is glossy, that is evident on all reviews and videos out there. Now, how will a 4K 2013 Mac Pro look on it is my question? That will be 4K on a 5K screen.
 
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