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I feel this product shows the difference between Jobs and Cook. Steve would have hammered on this till it was perfect, NO 4K are you serious! This seems like a half baked idea not a revolutionary product. However, I will be purchasing it...

And yet Steve's iPhone was introduced with no copy / paste. Yes, other phones had it at the time.
 
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I noticed this also and thought wow it may actually just be faster to stream with AC wifi than with wired ethernet on this thing...shame

What will be faster? Not streaming. I'm trying to imagine anything you could do with this thing that would approach even 100Mb.
 
I'm in the USA. The answer to your reply is NO to DISH.

I had AT&T Uverse and DISH. At the basic service, like cable companies, you get a Full Frame 640x480 SD or less than VHS picture with all overcompressed artifacts for most channels, unless you pony up for extra for HD service. It looked like crap on my high definition flat panel TV.

I was paying $85/mo. (after my 1 yr. promo period ended and with states fees figured in) for that rip off quality 4 years back. I just checked uVerse last week and DISH today. The base level package still has you watching full frame SD quality channels with a tiny few HD channels…what a hilarious joke!!! :rolleyes:

DISH is no different. You get SD picture at the base level package with DISH. Call DISH like I did at 1-866-680-7567 to confirm.

Like I said the cable companies, DISH Satellite included, give you old style 640 by 480 cathode ray tube TV quality at the base level package.

My Netflix, Hulu Plus, Amazon Prime and iTunes HD purchases came out cheaper overall than even having the base level crappy cable subscription. All of these can be played on my Apple TV (Amazon Prime through Airplay using iPad or iPhone).

Cable, and Satellite, companies are a rip off (drops microphone again).

[BTW, Portland Oregon is my favorite place in the USA. Love the artists community there. I see you live there.]
Agreed, on all but I'd say YES to DISH - but really for the LTE spectrum they're holding and the multi-billion satellites that would give Apple blanket coverage over most of NA - and they'd also have lots of subs with satellite dishes built in as a bonus. The subs would be happy with the "instant" service upgrade from SD to at least HD, and maybe lower prices because they wouldn't funding Ergan's spectrum squatting! Just write the check, Tim!

FWIW, I had DISH on my last house, about 10 years ago in the days before HD was really hitting its stride, and I was on the road so much I really didn't care too much. I switched to Comcast when my Qwest DSL went out for 10 days straight ('07, I think). That house is wired (fibered, really) with CL fiber now :sniff: and our current locations have trees in the way so Comcast it is.

I use an ATV and a Tivo Roamio to get my programming fix on, and watch as much content as I can through those two devices. A couple of us were getting our Longmire fix on, watching a few episodes of older seasons, and a couple episodes of Portlandia - all of us were blown away by the better detail over the ATV when compared to the original broadcasts over Comcrap's network. I've got a couple of 4k displays, and we watched a couple of 4k YouTube videos, and all I can offer is that it just hurts my eyes to watch anything over satellite (we have DirecTV at one of my offices) or cable!

I do like Portland. The traffic and spiraling rents are getting a bit much however - and I'm originally from NYC! Both cities have much to offer for the arts scene, although I enjoy the museums in The City much more. If you're ever in that neighborhood be sure to check out - and stay awhile - in Nelson BC. I loved it there, and almost moved there about 20 years ago for a job but I ended up 2nd on the hire list - beautiful community, but it does get socked in during the winter! Cheers!
 
Agreed, on all but I'd say YES to DISH - but really for the LTE spectrum they're holding and the multi-billion satellites that would give Apple blanket coverage over most of NA - and they'd also have lots of subs with satellite dishes built in as a bonus. The subs would be happy with the "instant" service upgrade from SD to at least HD, and maybe lower prices because they wouldn't funding Ergan's spectrum squatting! Just write the check, Tim!

FWIW, I had DISH on my last house, about 10 years ago in the days before HD was really hitting its stride, and I was on the road so much I really didn't care too much. I switched to Comcast when my Qwest DSL went out for 10 days straight ('07, I think). That house is wired (fibered, really) with CL fiber now :sniff: and our current locations have trees in the way so Comcast it is.

I use an ATV and a Tivo Roamio to get my programming fix on, and watch as much content as I can through those two devices. A couple of us were getting our Longmire fix on, watching a few episodes of older seasons, and a couple episodes of Portlandia - all of us were blown away by the better detail over the ATV when compared to the original broadcasts over Comcrap's network. I've got a couple of 4k displays, and we watched a couple of 4k YouTube videos, and all I can offer is that it just hurts my eyes to watch anything over satellite (we have DirecTV at one of my offices) or cable!

I do like Portland. The traffic and spiraling rents are getting a bit much however - and I'm originally from NYC! Both cities have much to offer for the arts scene, although I enjoy the museums in The City much more. If you're ever in that neighborhood be sure to check out - and stay awhile - in Nelson BC. I loved it there, and almost moved there about 20 years ago for a job but I ended up 2nd on the hire list - beautiful community, but it does get socked in during the winter! Cheers!

I see what you're saying. Yes, Apple could buy DISH to get deep market penetration.
 
All I want to know is: Does it have Safari? I'd love to do some casual browsing from the comfort of my living room couch.
Yes, you should be able to install a browser however you won't be able to connect a keyboard with integrated touchpad to it. Something that I personally cannot live without as I enjoy surfing my forums on my TV. As well as checking mail.
 
It makes no sense for iTunes to have a bunch of 4K content for :apple:TV before their are 4K:apple:TVs in lots of homes. The hardware must come first. It would be like putting apps that will only run on the A10 in the app store right now. What good does that do until next year's iDevices are available? How can developers make money on those apps now?

The Studios own the content. They have plenty of content that could be offered at 4K (pretty much every film that has ever been made could be rolled out as 4K video and just about every TV show shot on film (which is most of the libraries) could be 4K too). What they don't have is a mass adopted medium (hardware) in lots of homes so that the trouble they go to in rendering for 4K has a fair chance of profitability.

Consider this: let's wave a magic wand so that every single video available in the iTunes store for :apple:TV is available in 4K tonight. Now what? How do we make any money from such content? On the other hand, ship this :apple:TV with 4K capability and, as Apple sells more and more units, Studios get more and more tempted to try to make a buck by offering 4K content. That's the ONLY way it can work- the hardware must come first.

As is, as people are faced with buying new TVs they can embrace the present and recent past at 1080p or pay a little more for a 4K set spun hard as "the future". Their brand new iPhones can shoot video in 4K. And they generally keep a TV for 10+ years. Guess what those who can get past "lowest price" buy?

Those that buy a 4K TV are hungry for a source of lots of 4K video. They can already get some from Netflix, Amazon and Youtube. Camcorders and camera "home movies" have been able to shoot 4K for a couple of years now. But there's no big source of such content today. Apple could have been that source. And it even makes a lot of sense given how they've embraced 4K in the new iPhones, featuring iMovie that can edit 4K video fed to 5K retina Macs, stored in iTunes and needing a way to get from iTunes to their new 4K TV. It's right there that the chain is broken. Too bad. Maybe next year(s):(

I think the new :apple:TV is spectacular in many ways but it sure would have been nice for the 4K people to have been able to feed their need too. From their perspective, Apple could have leaped over streaming box competitors and even beat the new 4K BD products to market by a good amount of time. Those that don't care about 4K could have still enjoyed the box in full at 1080p or even 720p. But those that do care could have got their wishes met too. And all those new iPhone buyers with 4K TVs will soon be hunting for a way to play that 4K video they shoot on their 4K TVs at 4K.

Well they wouldn't have leaped over, both my Nvidia Shield TV and Minix support 4K streaming, the Shield even supports a 4K UI for the OS which is actually more important to me right now as I have a 4K TV. I had an Apple TV for about a year, until a friend of mine showed me his Shield. I'm now firmly in that camp as it contains more than I could ever possibly want. The biggest features though are the ability to use USB peripherals like; hard-drives, web cams, controllers for my classic console emulators, (I currently have a N64, SNES, Sega Genesis and PlayStation 2 controller), SD Card, USB memory stick, etc. Another thing is the ability to install Kodi, which as far as I'm concerned, a TV set-box without Kodi is basically useless. I'm watching TV not only from local affiliates but from other countries as well, love TV from Australia and the UK. File-manager that can mount my cloud services and NAS drives, right now I'm using FX File Explorer, awesome app. The ability to mount remote storage as local assets that can be utilized by any app installed that can open up a file is an absolute must for me.

It's great that Apple is focusing on gaming but I still prefer my Shield, not only do I have access to all of the mobile games, Nvidia exclusive titles like, Portal, Doom 3, Crysis 3, Half Life 2, soon even the entire Far Cry series, but I can also stream my PC games from my gaming rig to the Shield. As well stream PC games from Nvidias's Grid streaming system, both of these streaming services work extremely well.

The Apple TV has lot's to be happy about but I just think I can still be better served elsewhere.
 
I get why folks who want 4K are disappointed. But no one realistically expected 4K support at this point. It's quite obviously a perfect upgrade for a future incremental update. Though I don't see it coming too soon. Too much of a niche market for now. But growth of 4K tvs and content will eventually drive the upgrade. Apple is actually pretty good about understanding when it's important to lead the market and when not to.

The new apple tv is going to be great and it's the app store that will blow it open. Yes, Roku has many of the same features, but not the combo and quality of goods/services that apple can deliver here. I don't think apple, google, or amazon were ever threatened by Roku breaking into the market early. I have both. The roku UI is frustrating to me to be honest. But I use it and it works and i'm happy to have it.

Anyone ever use fan.tv? They have their own mobi device (sp?) but they have an ipad app that I could see working quite nicely somehow integrated with the apple tv. It's a dream. I just like how easy it is to see, not just what services are showing a show, but how much it costs on each service (before clicking away from it).

Actually 4K content is about to explode, especially next month when 4K Blu-rays are released. 6 months from now the market will be saturated with it, this was not a good idea to not include 4K support. It doesn't matter to me though, I moved away from the Apple TV a long while ago, currently use a Shield TV which is just an incredible device. I have about 30 4K movies now and expect that number to be triple digits in just a couple of months.
 
My big problem (and this goes for cable cutting as well) is just finding the networks we browse to today on cable TV. We need to wait for separate apps for each network or cross our fingers that specific shows become available to purchase on Hulu Plus or whatever? That's a monster hassle and a lot of finger crossing...

There is an Xfinity app today for iPad/iPhone (we have Comcast here in St Paul, MN) so that I can watch shows on my iPad since I pay for the cable service. If they extend that app to the AppleTV then at least there's a crappy work-around... but I'd love to get to the place where networks are 'apps.' Until that happens, I'm also hunting all the apps to see which shows have new episodes all the time, since I'm no longer recording them on a DVR from my CableCard Media Center at that point.

One word, Kodi. With Kodi I have access to all of these services within a single UI, Not just that bu I can stream not only local TV but from TV from any country in which there is some pretty good content out there. Unfortunately the Apple TV doesn't support Kodi, doesn't really matter to me though as I'm using a Shield, which I still believe is the better device.
 
4K content itself aside, does anyone know if the new aTV will work on a 4k tv at all (even if it's only 1080p and the TV does 'upscaling' to 4k)? I bought a new TV last year (Sony X9000B) and my old aTV 2 won't even switch on - it's stuck on the Apple logo. Will the new aTV switch on at all or should I wait another year until they release full support for 4k? Anyone tried it yet?
 
4K content itself aside, does anyone know if the new aTV will work on a 4k tv at all (even if it's only 1080p and the TV does 'upscaling' to 4k)? I bought a new TV last year (Sony X9000B) and my old aTV 2 won't even switch on - it's stuck on the Apple logo. Will the new aTV switch on at all or should I wait another year until they release full support for 4k? Anyone tried it yet?

Haven't tried it by myself, but there absolutely should be no reason that the aTV doesn't work with your 4K TV. The device will deliver the 1080p signal (like a bluray player, Playstation or other boxes would do, too) and your TV will simply upscale. I don't know why your old aTV 2 is stuck on the Apple logo, but I have a hard time believing that it is because it's incompatible with 4K TVs. I'm using an aTV 3 with my 4K TV myself and it works perfectly.
 
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Haven't tried it by myself, but there absolutely should be no reason that the aTV doesn't work with your 4K TV. The device will deliver the 1080p signal (like a bluray player, Playstation or other boxes would do, too) and your TV will simply upscale. I don't know why your old aTV 2 is stuck on the Apple logo, but I have a hard time believing that it is because it's incompatible with 4K TVs. I'm using an aTV 3 with my 4K TV myself and it works perfectly.

Cool! So if your aTV 3 works fine with 4K, the new aTV should work as well. Maybe aTV 2 is not powerful enough for some reason. It still works on my 1080p tv but when plugged in to 4k - it just doesn't go past the Apple logo... Thanks for your reply!
 
There's nothing to read between. The only "support" they ever had for Apple and Google devices is to provide apps on those devices. They also sold their devices. The only thing they announced stopping was sales of their devices. When they discontinue their Amazon Video app on iOS and Android, then we can say they're stopping "support". $20 says they'll never do that.

It's a silly move. Anyone who wants an Apple TV or Chromecast isn't going to change their mind and get a Fire TV just because they can't find it on Amazon's site. Well okay, there might be one or two people. This will do nothing to help Amazon gain marketshare which is ultimately what they're after.
 
And yet... Amazon Prime Instant Video is still supported alongside Netflix on the new TiVo Bolt.

I really don't think it's clear that there won't be an Amazon Prime app for the :apple:TV4.

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4K content itself aside, does anyone know if the new aTV will work on a 4k tv at all (even if it's only 1080p and the TV does 'upscaling' to 4k)? I bought a new TV last year (Sony X9000B) and my old aTV 2 won't even switch on - it's stuck on the Apple logo. Will the new aTV switch on at all or should I wait another year until they release full support for 4k? Anyone tried it yet?

Do a factory reset on your old Apple TV - should be some instructions on doing that that would be easy to find.

For sure your 4K TV will work with Apple TV. I'd bet anything on that.
 
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There's nothing to read between. The only "support" they ever had for Apple and Google devices is to provide apps on those devices.

But Amazon doesn't. There is no Amazon video or prime app on the current Apple TV (which does have e.g. HBO).

In the article Amazon is quoted:

It’s important that the streaming media players we sell interact well with Prime Video in order to avoid customer confusion.

It is very very clear from this (and the rest of the article) that Amazon has no intentions of producing an App for the new Apple TV, let alone for the old ones in the short to mid term.
 
Got my AppleTV4 today and I must say I'm impressed. The purchased movies and TV shows look noticibly better. Must be some hardware under the hood producing a cleaner image. The only thing I miss is the optical output. But, the new features more than make up for that. 2 thumbs up!!
 



One of the big announcements coming out of Apple's "Hey Siri" event in San Francisco today was the new and improved Apple TV, which aims to provide users with a far more robust and unified experience than its predecessor. As it did with the iPad Pro and iPhone 6s, Apple has allowed some journalists hands-on time with the new Apple TV after today's event and subsequently the first impressions of the device have been shared online.

The Verge went hands-on with the new Apple TV, and while they found the new remote to be "frenetic" at first, they noted the sensitive controls are easy to get used to, even in a brief demo environment. The site also liked the slight visual overhaul thanks to tvOS, and called the device a "meaningful" upgrade to the Apple TV line, but was left unsure whether it met Apple's massive vision detailed during today's conference.


Variety's brief demo with the new set-top box found that the overall experience has been uniquely tuned around Siri and Siri's in-depth search parameters. Specifically, the site was a fan of the device's "fast and fluid" interface, along with the new remote control and the possibility of future Apple Watch integration. On the downside, Variety noted that much of the in-video alternate functionality shown off by Apple during the media event -- like searching for actors while a movie plays -- is limited to iTunes videos for the time being. The site also found some roadblocks when continuing to inquire into specific categories with Siri, with the voice assistant sometimes stumbling over whether they were beginning a new query or continuing insight into a previous one. In the end, while they liked the brief experience, Variety wasn't sure Apple completely "changed the TV experience," as the company hoped to do. SlashGear said the physical Apple TV set-top box "isn't quite as aesthetically pleasing," as the existing version, but thought the brighter tvOS and slick menu controls were far ahead of the current Apple TV. The site also noted the accessibility of the remote's IR blaster -- which allows the small device to control a TV's volume -- and the ability to support MFI-certified controllers, like Bluetooth gamepads, is a plus for anyone looking into the new gaming App Store section of the Apple TV.

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The new Apple TV will be available in late October for $149 (32GB) and $199 (64GB). Besides TV and movie functionality, Apple introduced a few gaming-centric features today, including unique co-operative play for certain game titles and the announcement of the first gamepad for the new Apple TV.

Article Link: New Apple TV First Impressions: Not a 'Revolution,' But Siri and tvOS Shine
If you have any ideas about new design,concepts or things unnoticed that are so often used youd not do without?Should start an ideas box for anything ?
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Not sure how that poster will with a Harmony remote -- which sounds like overkill now if you just use this device for your TV like I will and not any satellite/cable. But if the use of other iOS devices as a full remote (or at least partial) works, iPads, iPhones and Apple Watches could replicate most of the functionality, including Siri. In fact, if the Apple Watch isn't supported very soon I would wonder WTF Apple is thinking. Listening to the remote's hardware specs, it sounds an awful lot like the Apple Watch. Maybe developing code to recognize movement from your wrist instead of in your hand -- such as in that tennis-like demo from Rock Band -- would take time, but it's a natural use for the Apple Watch.
No it was to find out if those interested wanted too use alternate methods or not,as sometimes it is not now,go away,no chance with that a?
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Agreed, on all but I'd say YES to DISH - but really for the LTE spectrum they're holding and the multi-billion satellites that would give Apple blanket coverage over most of NA - and they'd also have lots of subs with satellite dishes built in as a bonus. The subs would be happy with the "instant" service upgrade from SD to at least HD, and maybe lower prices because they wouldn't funding Ergan's spectrum squatting! Just write the check, Tim!

FWIW, I had DISH on my last house, about 10 years ago in the days before HD was really hitting its stride, and I was on the road so much I really didn't care too much. I switched to Comcast when my Qwest DSL went out for 10 days straight ('07, I think). That house is wired (fibered, really) with CL fiber now :sniff: and our current locations have trees in the way so Comcast it is.

I use an ATV and a Tivo Roamio to get my programming fix on, and watch as much content as I can through those two devices. A couple of us were getting our Longmire fix on, watching a few episodes of older seasons, and a couple episodes of Portlandia - all of us were blown away by the better detail over the ATV when compared to the original broadcasts over Comcrap's network. I've got a couple of 4k displays, and we watched a couple of 4k YouTube videos, and all I can offer is that it just hurts my eyes to watch anything over satellite (we have DirecTV at one of my offices) or cable!

I do like Portland. The traffic and spiraling rents are getting a bit much however - and I'm originally from NYC! Both cities have much to offer for the arts scene, although I enjoy the museums in The City much more. If you're ever in that neighborhood be sure to check out - and stay awhile - in Nelson BC. I loved it there, and almost moved there about 20 years ago for a job but I ended up 2nd on the hire list - beautiful community, but it does get socked in during the winter! Cheers!
[doublepost=1452201711][/doublepost]what 'theyre' holding?Its what +4k Fork Handles?You only need program it,if you cant get HDMI show up its your use,not product?You only need to think idea,program it and there it is?
 
what 'theyre' holding?Its what +4k Fork Handles?You only need program it,if you cant get HDMI show up its your use,not product?You only need to think idea,program it and there it is?
Um, wat? I was alluding to FCC-auctioned cellular spectrum. Don't you know that DISH is holding gobs of spectrum that covers most of NA? From your post, I'm guessing "no...".
 
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