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Butchie-T

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Good, because they never mentioned this in the event and I did not find this in any of the specs that are posted on their website now. Happy to hear this, it makes my decision to purchase one a bit easier.
 

Tanax

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Unsure how this can be the "future of TV". With 2GB of RAM it won't be able to compete with either of the existing consoles.

No 4K support means it's not really "future" since 4K is happening right now. First UHD BR-players are being released. Netflix has already been streaming 4K for a while. Most TV-manufacturers are pushing hard with 4K variants, basically all new functions resulting in better image-quality are being put into their 4K TVs while their FHD variants doesn't get as good image-quality features in them.
 

TallManNY

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Unsure how this can be the "future of TV". With 2GB of RAM it won't be able to compete with either of the existing consoles.

No 4K support means it's not really "future" since 4K is happening right now. First UHD BR-players are being released. Netflix has already been streaming 4K for a while. Most TV-manufacturers are pushing hard with 4K variants, basically all new functions resulting in better image-quality are being put into their 4K TVs while their FHD variants doesn't get as good image-quality features in them.

If conversion of Apps from iOS to tvOS is really easy, then this is going to be future of TV. That is because iOS is the platform that developers are making consumer programs for. So they will take their code and make it available in the Apple TV App store if the conversion is fairly easy. The Apple TV will quickly have more games available for it than both the consoles. Yes they will be terrible free to play games for the most part, but they will be there.
 

xmichaelp

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Unsure how this can be the "future of TV". With 2GB of RAM it won't be able to compete with either of the existing consoles.

No 4K support means it's not really "future" since 4K is happening right now. First UHD BR-players are being released. Netflix has already been streaming 4K for a while. Most TV-manufacturers are pushing hard with 4K variants, basically all new functions resulting in better image-quality are being put into their 4K TVs while their FHD variants doesn't get as good image-quality features in them.

Who said it was supposed to compete with consoles? No one.
 

Tanax

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Who said it was supposed to compete with consoles? No one.

Consoles are an important part of the current TV-sets for many people. If this truly is the "future" of the TV (and everything included with content on the TV), it must be able to replace current consoles or at the very least be a viable alternative to them.

Otherwise, this whole thing about being the future for TV is just empty words and quite frankly; ********.
And way to go to ignore the other 70% of my post :)
 

Cloudsurfer

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Consoles may be able to do a lot, but they're far from perfect at it. Have you ever used the PS4 Netflix app? It's horrible. The streaming quality is poor and the menu is a mess.

the Apple TV may never replace a PS4 on the gaming front, but for everything else I do prefer it.
 
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cynics

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Unsure how this can be the "future of TV". With 2GB of RAM it won't be able to compete with either of the existing consoles.

No 4K support means it's not really "future" since 4K is happening right now. First UHD BR-players are being released. Netflix has already been streaming 4K for a while. Most TV-manufacturers are pushing hard with 4K variants, basically all new functions resulting in better image-quality are being put into their 4K TVs while their FHD variants doesn't get as good image-quality features in them.

This seems like a stretch in my opinion. Cherry picking features into one imaginary device.

It doesn't have the RAM of a console, it doesn't have the disc drive of a UHD bluray, it doesn't have 4k of a set top box. Therefore it sucks.

Apples definition of the future of TV varies from your definition. Yours is based around the obvious specs that Apple will get too in their usual fashion (late). Theirs is more about the user experience, content, apps, ease of use, stylish designs, etc. Pretty much like all Apple products ever, should be no surprise to anyone at this point.

They don't even have 4k media to sell you and only two content providers that can supply 4k....why would anyone expect it already?
 
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Tanax

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This seems like a stretch in my opinion. Cherry picking features into one imaginary device.

It doesn't have the RAM of a console, it doesn't have the disc drive of a UHD bluray, it doesn't have 4k of a set top box. Therefore it sucks.

Apples definition of the future of TV varies from your definition. Yours is based around the obvious specs that Apple will get too in their usual fashion (late). Theirs is more about the user experience, content, apps, ease of use, stylish designs, etc. Pretty much like all Apple products ever, should be no surprise to anyone at this point.

They don't even have 4k media to sell you and only two content providers that can supply 4k....why would anyone expect it already?

For one, the new iPhone can shoot 4K videos. The iMac supports even 5K. If they didn't believe in high resolution, they wouldn't have released those. You can't even watch your own 4K videos via Airplay on your Apple TV.

Their products has been about revolution and being in forefront of advancement. With their new Apple TV, regardless of "ease of use" and "apps", it's behind in advancement. This Apple TV should've been released 2-3 years ago.
 

cynics

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For one, the new iPhone can shoot 4K videos. The iMac supports even 5K. If they didn't believe in high resolution, they wouldn't have released those. You can't even watch your own 4K videos via Airplay on your Apple TV.

Their products has been about revolution and being in forefront of advancement. With their new Apple TV, regardless of "ease of use" and "apps", it's behind in advancement. This Apple TV should've been released 2-3 years ago.

I say your previous post is a stretch and you come back with the iPhone shoots 4k and the iMac has a 5k display? I nearly fell out of my chair. One has no financial motive for Apple to make the AppleTV 4k and the other has no relevance whatsoever....

Iphone and Mac have a lot of features the AppleTV doesn't support why is an issue now? Slow mo has been around since the 5S yet the old and new ATV don't support it.

I'm curious what stand alone box the competition has that makes the AppleTV so outdated? Who is the manufacturer that is actually making the most advanced model?
 

xmichaelp

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Consoles are an important part of the current TV-sets for many people. If this truly is the "future" of the TV (and everything included with content on the TV), it must be able to replace current consoles or at the very least be a viable alternative to them.

Otherwise, this whole thing about being the future for TV is just empty words and quite frankly; ********.
And way to go to ignore the other 70% of my post :)

By that logic it must include a bluray player and everything else people do with a TV.

By the future of TV they mean movies, TV shows, music, etc. No one claimed it was supposed to be a video game console. Most people don't care about video games.

Do you really want the Apple TV to be some 500+ dollar all encompassing device that does everything anyone could ever want to do on a TV? No thanks.
 

ValO

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If apple keeps refreshing the apple tv each 2 years, and keep pushing the ios platform for more complex and power hungry games, by next refresh in 2 years new apple tv will be on par with a xbox one and ps4. Made possible by a soc with performance like present day a9x, and game development on ios.

In 4 years time, new apple tv will be on par with the xbox 2 and ps5. When sony and microsoft releases them.

For a lot cheaper than both.(but knowing apple, prices of future aple tv' s will rise if there is a lot if traction).
 

Aluminum213

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Unsure how this can be the "future of TV". With 2GB of RAM it won't be able to compete with either of the existing consoles.

Did you expect to Apple TV to play MGS5 and Uncharted 4? It's quite obvious its a causal gaming machine like the Wii was


also the no 4k support is fine seeing that maybe less then 1% of TV owners have a 4k TV, and with next to no 4k content, I see why Apple wasn't in any rush to support it
 

RollTide1017

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Have you ever used the PS4 Netflix app? It's horrible. The streaming quality is poor and the menu is a mess.

If you don't like the PS4 Netflix app then I don't think you are going to like it on the new ATV as well. They showed a quick shot of it during the Hey Siri event and it looked the same as the PS4. In fact, that is how Netflix looks on all my newer devices these days; Roku, LG TV, Blu-Ray player and my PS4. I think it is just how Netflix wants their app to look.

The quality I get on my PS4 Netflix app is great. It takes a few seconds longer to lock in at the best quality but, full 1080p and DD+ are better then my Apple TV 2. It's also much better and quicker then the app on my LG TV or BD player.
 

Zirel

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Consoles are an important part of the current TV-sets for many people. If this truly is the "future" of the TV (and everything included with content on the TV), it must be able to replace current consoles or at the very least be a viable alternative to them.

Otherwise, this whole thing about being the future for TV is just empty words and quite frankly; ********.
And way to go to ignore the other 70% of my post :)

Good for you, then be happy with your console. I also have a Ps4, and I must be dumb to buy an ATV, because my console has 8Gb of RAM, a 8 core CPU.
 

Tanax

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Did you expect to Apple TV to play MGS5 and Uncharted 4? It's quite obvious its a causal gaming machine like the Wii was


also the no 4k support is fine seeing that maybe less then 1% of TV owners have a 4k TV, and with next to no 4k content, I see why Apple wasn't in any rush to support it

According to one report, 40% of all new TVs that are sold is 4K. It's coming FAST in other words. With that said, no it isn't here fully yet but with Apple's track record of updates to the Apple TV, this 1080p Apple TV will be the "future" of TV for the next 6 years, or? I hope they will update it next year, and once every year after that, like they do with the rest of their products.

Good for you, then be happy with your console. I also have a Ps4, and I must be dumb to buy an ATV, because my console has 8Gb of RAM, a 8 core CPU.

I don't have a console, did I ever say that? They put a big focus on gaming on their presentation of the new Apple TV, that's why I bring it up.
 

JoeShades

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Sep 1, 2010
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Just because Tvs are sold with 4K functionality does not = 4K content. Most sets sold over the last 5 years have 3D, so what that it pretty much dead
 
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