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I'll stick with my Home Theater Mac Mini thank you.

1. Full 1080p
2. DVD player
3. Screen color correction settings
4. Bluetooth keyboard and mouse
5. Apps (since 2001)
6. Offline storage
7. More format choices (.dvdmedia, Flash, ect...)
8. Games
9. Full computer if needed
10. Can use back to my mac to remote manage
11. Other interface choices (Boxee, XB)
 
This just goes to show how crazy overpriced the iPad is. The iPad is basically this with a $400 screen. No way.

No competitors could come even close to iPad in pricing for a 9.6 inch screen, they are all offering 7" screen. AppleTV is an accessory to iOS device, there are more R&D goes into iOS Device. You can't price a product based on hardware components at all. The Cocoa Touch API itself is very nicely designed.


Plus, if AppleTV becomes popular (its just a hobby now), it will be subsidized by income from media distribution.
 
Yes. Yes you did. And so did a lot of other people.



They could.... but why? Okay, games? Maybe. But if you wanted a bluetooth controller with gyros/accelerometers and games, you'd have gotten a Wii by now. Designing/building/shipping a game controller would take a lot of engineers a lot of time. Would enough people care to break even?

And if they published iWork for this... who really wants to use their TV to type? Don't we already have computers for this? Is it worth the hassle? Would they even make back the development costs of writing Pages for ATV?
Heck, I'm not convinced that iWork for iPad has actually broken even yet.

These are all "ooh, wouldn't it be cool if..." ideas. If that's it, yes, it would be pretty cool. Would it make sense? About the same as buying a Wii because of the web browser.

I do already have a wii, thats why i wanted competition. if this did iwork and safari. in my opinion would be a killer basic pc. there are many many many people that only use there computers for web, email, and word processing maybe some music and movies. atv would be perfect for that, it costs $99!!!!! yea sure it wouldn't multitasking, or multitasking would be slow. but also it would have virus's, long boot times, other problems people face when they dont know anything about computers, and all they need is web and email
 
I'll stick with my Home Theater Mac Mini thank you.

1. Full 1080p
2. DVD player
3. Screen color correction settings
4. Bluetooth keyboard and mouse
5. Apps (since 2001)
6. Offline storage
7. More format choices (.dvdmedia, Flash, ect...)
8. Games
9. Full computer if needed
10. Can use back to my mac to remote manage
11. Other interface choices (Boxee, XB)

no question BUT
$700 vs. $99 :rolleyes:
 
I could have an apple TV at every screen in my house plus every screen at my friend's house and have one left over for the price of a Mac Mini.

The Mac Mini is too expensive for most people to use as just an HTPC. And most HTPC enthusiasts want their media center experience on every TV in there house. With a $99 Apple TV that becomes very practical. A Mac Mini solution gets very expensive that way.
 
I can see the difference between 720p and 1080p, let alone 480p and 1080p. It's very noticeable for myself.

Then you are in the minority. Frankly, unless I know the way you tested this and know that you were only seeing the difference between 720p and 1080p and not the million other factors that could cause the difference between two files, I'll stick with the results of more methodic testing that says the vast majority of people with average consumer screens can't tell the difference. AND, I don't want to wait forever for a 1080p movie to download and I know it won't stream on my internet service. Took me five hours to download 55% of a Zune movie (Sunshine) on my XBox 360 and I still didn't get a play button to start watching it while it loaded the rest. Had to wait until the next day to watch it. The quality wasn't better than the 720p movies I get from Netflix instant so it was a complete waste of time (and a waste of money to pay extra for it).
 
It will be interesting to see how Google TV fits into this. As of now, it seems Roku and AppleTV have about the same feature list with some slight variation (Apple with better ability to stream from a computer, Roku with better slightly content options).

If Google matches this and offers the integration with regular television as previously described at the same $99 price point, it will blow Roku and Apple out of the water.
 
I have 118 Apps installed on my iPhone. You must be storing files within your apps or counting space consumed by music in that total.

And probably 100 of them are either useless or you're not using them. ;)
 
Some Apps = Channels

Makes lots of sense. A content provider builds an application and sells an associated subscription or is ad supported. Apple basically functions like cable/DirecTV

ComedyCentral, CNN - sells ads and streams programing with ads (maybe iAds?)
HBO, NFL - sells a subscription (Apple takes a cut just like a cable provider)

That model along with a better way of browsing app (channels) suggests a complete replacement for existing TV content providers and creates a platform for much more.
 
It will be interesting to see how Google TV fits into this. As of now, it seems Roku and AppleTV have about the same feature list with some slight variation (Apple with better ability to stream from a computer, Roku with better slightly content options).

If Google matches this and offers the integration with regular television as previously described at the same $99 price point, it will blow Roku and Apple out of the water.

Everyone's going to put IR blasters on their cable boxes?
 
I could have an apple TV at every screen in my house plus every screen at my friend's house and have one left over for the price of a Mac Mini.

The Mac Mini is too expensive for most people to use as just an HTPC. And most HTPC enthusiasts want their media center experience on every TV in there house. With a $99 Apple TV that becomes very practical. A Mac Mini solution gets very expensive that way.

True,
I would not mind Apple to come up with an ATV Pro and charge $200 or even $300 that allowed external storage connection and 1080p. I really just want one to watch my media locally without my Mac on. Many boxes out there offer these two features, but something in the Apple ecosystem is great.
MacMini is great but $700 is too much for just a media player functionality.
 
Well it would be pretty hard to consume more power than your only power source can put out dontcha think? ;)

By the way, someone put a Kill-A-Watt meter on his to test the power draw at idle and it came out to 1.2 watts! My nightlight pulls more power than that?!? This has got to be the most eco friendly set top box ever created.

I would have no problems at all hooking one of these babies up to every screen in the house.

Yeah, had the same idear:D


I have a feeling that this little device might turn out to become something a little more than just a "hobby", it a really great product after all with this Airplay!
 
I could have an apple TV at every screen in my house plus every screen at my friend's house and have one left over for the price of a Mac Mini.

The Mac Mini is too expensive for most people to use as just an HTPC. And most HTPC enthusiasts want their media center experience on every TV in there house. With a $99 Apple TV that becomes very practical. A Mac Mini solution gets very expensive that way.

With the exception that the media center experience SUCKS on Apple TV.

Right now, the GUI on Apple TV only benefits those who want to purchase media from Apple.

Until it is jailbroken and application like (the desktop version of) Plex can be installed, Apple TV is not practical for HTPC/media center applications.

Oh, not to mention BLU-RAY.

It really sucks having to be stuck with Windows Media center when there are so many better applications out there that do what it does separately. Someone need to develop an integrated solution to compete with WMC.
 
New Apple TV Offers 8 GB of Internal Storage, 256 MB RAM

Since most people rent movies and shows why would it be necessary to have more than 8 GB of storage space? Granted, 256 MB of ram isn't a lot, but again it should be able to handle the tasks.
 
networked drive

So will the :apple:TV only access content from iTunes and iOS devices(AirPlay)? I currently have an external drive hooked up to my AEBS and I was wondering if it will be able to see that.
 
Add an input device (bluetooth keyboard and/or touchpad), and it IS a computer. (An iPad can even emulate a Commodore 64 personal computer).

thats what I have been saying!!! only apple wont do that because it would heavily cannibalize the mac mini.

the cheapest computer apple sells is $700!!!! Im not bashing apple's computers.
Its just I cant convert anyone to mac, because their budget is never over $500.

but the apple tvs hardware can easily run safari, pages, mail, some games, music video obviously, and it wont need more than 8gb to do all of that! I mean even for like education or businesses where they buy tons desktop computers as cheap as possible, and only run web and word processing on it. add a usb or bluetooth keyboard and mouse to this, and its perfect! $99, no viruses, easy to use, no headaches.


ps: i probably sound like an idiot right now, but this all seems super clear to me.
 
Why would anyone want to sync another device? This makes sense for most people, the content you really want to watch will be on your iPhone, iPod touch or iPad. AirPlay it over and you're good to go. Many people have an iPod touch, iPhone or iPad. Some (like myself) have more than one of those devices. Much easier to store and sync files on as few devices as possible. HTML5 video is the way to go and once the TV networks transition over to HTML5, just browse over to their site, play the video and AirPlay it over to your TV. Yes, this isn't 1080P with 8.1 surround sound but for most people, it will suffice. I doubt that people care about the tiny difference between 1080P and 720P content over the ease of use. I would rather store a film or music to my iPhone, iPad or iPod touch rather than an TV. It's just easier to manage one device with my content than to have another copy sitting on the TV.
 
The average "HD" movie is less than 2 GB. But Apple is streaming most of this.

My guess is apple stores no more than 100MB per movie or TV show on the device to ensure buffering and playback quality. The fact that is it able to play in seconds of hitting the buy/rent button supports this.

Therefore there could be several gigs of app space left over even with as many as 30 movies and videos rented and ready for viewing.

But once they started the stream stopping and starting the stream at the server end to keep up with but not overrun a fixed buffer size seems to be more trouble than it worth when could just tell the device make me so much space here it comes.

Plus that way the user can go back and forth, only time the device needs to break the server stream is if the user wants to jump ahead of where the stream is up to.

Even with Apple rentals the user is allow to watch as many times in 24hrs right?

Streaming out again every time is just silly.
 
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