New Apple TV?

Discussion in 'Apple TV and Home Theater' started by AppleRyan, Feb 5, 2015.

  1. AppleRyan macrumors newbie

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    Ok so we havent had anything new in the "apple TV world" since 2012.(the early 13' model was just a revision). and honestly the design has been roughly the same since 2010. My point is with amazon and google both coming out with "stick" models why would apple not persue this? I love my apple TV and think its great but im wondering when they will go this route.
     
  2. cynics macrumors G3

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    As far as design goes I much prefer a box vs a stick. I prefer ethernet and optical out plus an IR remote (so universal remotes work).
     
  3. AFEPPL macrumors 68030

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    I don't care about the form factor, but the ATV needs to be more open box and have more content and apps available for it.

    No direct DNLA abilities wtf! TVs come with this function as standard for the last 3 years. I should be able to get any on demand content i want.
     
  4. priitv8 macrumors 68020

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    Last time I checked, DLNA was total crap. I hope, things have changed meanwhile.
    Two boxes having DLNA-Cert logo didn't mean, they will interoperate (in my case: D-Link NAS and Sony Bravia TV).
    And the awful UI based on folder-browsing concept was so 1980's.
    Indeed, I am living in a 100% Apple ecosystem, so AirPlay is more than good enough for me.
     
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    Folders - once you are in, they are no different in operation to looking within iTunes, its simply a list of films with thumb nails. You don't have to have one a film in one dir, you can just throw everything in one place or even browse your iTunes folder for example..

    The point was it (the ATV platform) needs to opened up, apple charge a premium for a closed eco system thats fallen behind. Where's a client for me to watch my amazon prime movies? or a client for me to watch ultraviolet?

    Your issue is sony products, they suck - so what do you expect!!! ;)

    Airplay sucks more than sony, esp with the WiFi issues of iOS8 and Yosemite.
    its also silly tech when it comes to streaming. Your laptop works as a proxies sucking data from somewhere else and then sending it over to ATV. the best solution is A to B, not A to B then re-transmitted to C.
     
  6. nutmac macrumors 68040

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    I think stick could be a good design, especially if the form factor enables Apple's supposed television set to be more modular by replacing only the processors and what not, while leveraging the TV's storage.
     
  7. priitv8, Feb 7, 2015
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    Well, back then, when I tried it, iTunes/:apple:TV UI had much more metadata and there were no thumbnails in my DLNA UI.
    That standard does not define UI layout or even supported media formats, just a interconnect method. Or how else can it be that various DLNA implementations handle both UI and supported file formats so differently?
    I am no expert in this, but I presume missing UV and Amazon movies are a discussion topic for content owners, not Apple. And the services you mention, are only relevant to a small part of the planet anyway ;)
    Let's agree to disagree. They've created so many technologies that I won't be listing them up here (Hint: Transistor Radio and TV set, Trinitron, 3.5" Floppy, Betacam, CD, MiniDisk, BluRay to name a few.
    AP worked extremely well before iOS8 and Yosemite! And actually, problem lies in their 100% rewriting of mDNSresponder (Bonjour) into discoveryd.
    When it comes to streaming, I don't see how is DLNA different? You still need a running computer to serve the stream. That does not make it much different, that it may be a small one inside your disk box.
     
  8. AFEPPL macrumors 68030

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    I feel you're missing the point.

    Amazon, UV (which is the future from the studios point of view) DNLA are all just clients - why as a consumer can i not have a channel or app on the ATV device? We have crap like NHL, NFL, thats not provide by apple its just a way to consume content. Netflix isn't apple. Why limited or restrict what can be consumed?

    In terms of the metadata, its all in the file, so if the "box" was opened it would be upto the app providers as to what they consume. All my iTunes content is on a NAS drive with full metadata. As for DNLA - it runs direct on NAS boxes, so you don't need a computer in the middle, its A to B.

    Banter..
    Sony are just a footnote, TV was nothing to do with them, in that space their greatest achievement was convincing other brand makers to let them produce products for them and as soon as they closed down their own manufacturing plants SONY screwed them over. CD was James Russell, It was then worked on by a joint venture between Phillips and Sony. Bluray is the same its a consortium called BDA of which Sony was one of 9 companies. 3.5 floppy was a consortium of 21 companies. They did try to create an optical music disk, that failed, along with a range of memory cards, all which pretty much failed. Given sonys problems of late, i wouldn't be surprised to see them disappear.
     
  9. priitv8 macrumors 68020

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    I wish this whole media market was only dependent on the entrepreneurship of someone. Alas, you will need lawyers.
    If the world would be as straightforward as you wish, why then am I (as a consumer) unable to choose any of the services you mention?
    None. Zilch. They are not available in my country. I bet this is not Apple's fault. BTW, iTunes Store is one of the few online content providers here, but the list is much more limited than in US store and TV shows are not available at all. Apple has them on Store, but won't sell them here. Why? Do you think they are just too lazy for that? No, they are contractually bound not to.
    Thus, I also couldn't care less if they are on :apple:TV platform or not.
     

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