New AV receiver...dilemma....

GreenApple29

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So the time has come
after almost 10 years i am thinking to replace my old AV receiver with a new one
at the moment since my AV receiver is quite old i have to make a whole weird connection so as to enjoy my new apple tv 4
the receiver uses an old HDMI protocol which doesn't transfer sound... so i have to airplay sound to my old apple tv 3 and HDMI out from new apple tv 4

so after some research i ended up on two models from 2 different brand

1. Denon 1200

2. Pioneer VSX 930

The receiver is mainly used with the Apple TV as well as with cable/satellite television


your thoughts?they both seem quite good, at lest of my needs nut not sure which one to pick

any help is much appreciated
 
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archer75

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Looks decent. Just pick whatever supports HDMI 2.0a and HDCP 2.2. 4K and HDR for future proofing.

I do use a yamaha I got years ago and it's still working well. Not a single issue. But I need an upgrade to 4k, atmos, etc.
 
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rwdds

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So the time has come
after almost 10 years i am thinking to replace my old AV receiver with a new one
at the moment since my AV receiver is quite old i have to make a whole weird connection so as to enjoy my new apple tv 4
the receiver uses an old HDMI protocol which doesn't transfer sound... so i have to airplay sound to my old apple tv 3 and HDMI out from new apple tv 4

so after some research i ended up on two models from 2 different brand

1. Denon 1200

2. Pioneer VSX 930

The receiver is mainly used with the Apple TV as well as with cable/satellite television


your thoughts?they both seem quite good, at lest of my needs nut not sure which one to pick

any help is much appreciated
 

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Depends what your budget is, i have the 1200, personally i'd recommend the ONYX NR646 instead.
But if your just using it for ATV, you'll be fine with just about anything as it doesn't really support anything high end.
 

rwdds

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As an audiophile nut for over 40 years, I have owned a lot of audio equipment. In the most recent years, I have done the same thing, updating older (more expensive, audiophile level receivers and processors) to some of the new "low-medium quality" receivers for their airplay capabilities. Denon and Yamaha are good choices currently, typically their products work well out of the box, but are not super sophisticated. I would avoid Marantz, Sony and Harmon Kardon products, as they have been demonstrating quality control issues as of late. Everyone will have their own opinions and experience with these various manufacturers, I had to return 2 HK receivers to settle on a Denon with airplay. Similarly, had issues with a higher end new Sony which failed out of the box, then a brand new Marantz receiver lost a channel after 1 month. Very disappointing quality these days. Just my opinion though.
 

GreenApple29

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As an audiophile nut for over 40 years, I have owned a lot of audio equipment. In the most recent years, I have done the same thing, updating older (more expensive, audiophile level receivers and processors) to some of the new "low-medium quality" receivers for their airplay capabilities. Denon and Yamaha are good choices currently, typically their products work well out of the box, but are not super sophisticated. I would avoid Marantz, Sony and Harmon Kardon products, as they have been demonstrating quality control issues as of late. Everyone will have their own opinions and experience with these various manufacturers, I had to return 2 HK receivers to settle on a Denon with airplay. Similarly, had issues with a higher end new Sony which failed out of the box, then a brand new Marantz receiver lost a channel after 1 month. Very disappointing quality these days. Just my opinion though.
I'll have to agree with today's quality in this range of machines you are right

The purpose is ,silly movies and music and also to support future protocols where that is possible even though Apple TV 4 does not come with 4K support one day it will and it's much cheaper to get....

I was and still am tempted with the pioneer receiver too

They seem to have very similar soevs

Not sure if they both support atmos?


Both have their own iOS apps which is good


Still can't decide...
 

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As an audiophile nut for over 40 years, I have owned a lot of audio equipment. In the most recent years, I have done the same thing, updating older (more expensive, audiophile level receivers and processors) to some of the new "low-medium quality" receivers for their airplay capabilities. Denon and Yamaha are good choices currently, typically their products work well out of the box, but are not super sophisticated. I would avoid Marantz, Sony and Harmon Kardon products, as they have been demonstrating quality control issues as of late. Everyone will have their own opinions and experience with these various manufacturers, I had to return 2 HK receivers to settle on a Denon with airplay. Similarly, had issues with a higher end new Sony which failed out of the box, then a brand new Marantz receiver lost a channel after 1 month. Very disappointing quality these days. Just my opinion though.
Very good post, Its the reason im such a huge fan of Yamaha, they make really reliable gear. Some brands may have more features or slightly more power but the Yamaha will still work 5 years down the track. My Yamaha RX-V3800 which is 8 years old only just had its first issue which was the power switching board, it only cost me 120 bucks to repair and is now good as new.
 

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So the time has come
after almost 10 years i am thinking to replace my old AV receiver with a new one
at the moment since my AV receiver is quite old i have to make a whole weird connection so as to enjoy my new apple tv 4
the receiver uses an old HDMI protocol which doesn't transfer sound... so i have to airplay sound to my old apple tv 3 and HDMI out from new apple tv 4

so after some research i ended up on two models from 2 different brand

1. Denon 1200

2. Pioneer VSX 930

The receiver is mainly used with the Apple TV as well as with cable/satellite television


your thoughts?they both seem quite good, at lest of my needs nut not sure which one to pick

any help is much appreciated
Do you have Frys electronics in your area? If you do they run. Deals all the time on av receivers. I would look at the Denon avr x2200.
 

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You can't go wrong with the Pioneer. I am waiting for the new models to come out and then I'm going to grab one for my system. They were bought out by Onkyo in 2014, and together they make incredible home A/V receivers.
 

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I've enjoyed my extensively used Denon AVR-1910 (similar to that tasty looking new 1200) for ~6 years with only one issue: dust in the headphone jack causes the unit to think headphones are plugged in, causing your intended sound output to sit in silence. A quick blow into the jack and it's never happened again.
 

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So the time has come
after almost 10 years i am thinking to replace my old AV receiver with a new one
at the moment since my AV receiver is quite old i have to make a whole weird connection so as to enjoy my new apple tv 4
the receiver uses an old HDMI protocol which doesn't transfer sound... so i have to airplay sound to my old apple tv 3 and HDMI out from new apple tv 4

so after some research i ended up on two models from 2 different brand

1. Denon 1200

2. Pioneer VSX 930

The receiver is mainly used with the Apple TV as well as with cable/satellite television


your thoughts?they both seem quite good, at lest of my needs nut not sure which one to pick

any help is much appreciated
Denon. End of discussion. Pioneer is not even close, but when I was a kid they ruled the world. We use Denon except for in the theater where we use now use Marantz. Marantz is Denon, Denon is Marantz. Don't buy a Marantz receiver. They have QC problems and I not sure why, but the pre-pros are spectacular.

Consider Yamaha as well. I like the warmer sound from Denon/Marantz, but I've had plenty of Yamaha units last forever. My brother has a 20 year old Denon AVR I gave him over a decade ago and my dad has a 25 year old Yamaha AVR I gave him. Both run fine, they just lack bells and whistles like HDMI.
 
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GreenApple29

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Do you have Frys electronics in your area? If you do they run. Deals all the time on av receivers. I would look at the Denon avr x2200.
unfortunately no since i am located in Greece
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You can't go wrong with the Pioneer. I am waiting for the new models to come out and then I'm going to grab one for my system. They were bought out by Onkyo in 2014, and together they make incredible home A/V receivers.
oh i didn't know they were bought!

as with almost every electronic device...new models will be coming out all the time...i don't think i can wait more...since the issue with the sound and the way i have made it work isn't ideal...so i this i will have to decide at least from the two models i have posted on my first post...
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Denon. End of discussion. Pioneer is not even close, but when I was a kid they ruled the world. We use Denon except for in the theater where we use now use Marantz. Marantz is Denon, Denon is Marantz. Don't buy a Marantz receiver. They have QC problems and I not sure why, but the pre-pros are spectacular.

Consider Yamaha as well. I like the warmer sound from Denon/Marantz, but I've had plenty of Yamaha units last forever. My brother has a 20 year old Denon AVR I gave him over a decade ago and my dad has a 25 year old Yamaha AVR I gave him. Both run fine, they just lack bells and whistles like HDMI.
I'm very close to the Denon 1200 receiver

maybe look into the iOS apps for both models and make up my mind...not that this thing will help my decision just to have a look at both :D
but yeah DENON 1200 is getting closer to my home theatre setup !
 
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but yeah DENON 1200 is getting closer to my home theatre setup !
Just out of curiosity, do you have any plans to connect (even if only occasionally) your Macbook Pro (specifically) to the AVR via HDMI?

Edit: Also, does your Macbook Pro have a discreet GPU?
 
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GreenApple29

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Just out of curiosity, do you have any plans to connect (even if only occasionally) your Macbook Pro (specifically) to the AVR via HDMI?

Edit: Also, does your Macbook Pro have a discreet GPU?
My macbook pro is the retina model 2014 and i won't connect it occasionally i have to say but even if i have to connect it i will use AirPlay through my apple tv
 

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I have a 1200 in one room, and it's no where near the ONKYO performance or polish, but like with most things, opinion depends on what you are used to and what you are comparing it against. Its low budget amp, but for the workflow - that's more than fine.

I'd certainly spend the extra if i had my time again. iOS app for the Denon is very basic and the supplied remote is super cheap and nasty.
 
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