New Beta's... Are you expecting large visual changes, or subtle?

ra4oasis

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I'll preface this by saying I don't have iOS 7 installed. But, from what I've read and the people I've talked too who do, the overall experience, features and so forth, are great, its just the visuals that need work. Icons, color choices, fonts, need tweaking. Does everyone expect sort of large changes in the visuals? Like less neon colors, different Safari icon? I just wonder because beta's in the past are really more about stability and bugs, and not many changes in the look of things. I am hoping they tweak things in the visual department, but I wonder what everyone expects.
 

Gray bishop

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I'll preface this by saying I don't have iOS 7 installed. But, from what I've read and the people I've talked too who do, the overall experience, features and so forth, are great, its just the visuals that need work. Icons, color choices, fonts, need tweaking. Does everyone expect sort of large changes in the visuals? Like less neon colors, different Safari icon? I just wonder because beta's in the past are really more about stability and bugs, and not many changes in the look of things. I am hoping they tweak things in the visual department, but I wonder what everyone expects.
I don't expect them to change anything visually, I expect everyone else to fall in line with what they've created
 

fullauto

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I wouldn't imagine visual changes, if any - until later betas, they'll continue to observe the crowd as long as possible..
 

watchthisspace

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We will probably see some minor visual changes. But as you said, betas will be focusing on fixing bugs, fully implementing new features and lots and lots of testing.
 

VSMacOne

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This is a totally different beta process than before based on the short time for development leading up to the beta release. I imagine we'll be seeing more changes than with previous betas. Nothing is off limits!
 

phpmaven

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This is a totally different beta process than before based on the short time for development leading up to the beta release. I imagine we'll be seeing more changes than with previous betas. Nothing is off limits!
I agree. This is new territory we are in. They have made such radical changes to everything and I think Jony and Co. Just kinda "went nuts" and threw all kinds of crazy design/color schemes out there just to see what the reaction would be. I'm expecting to see quite a bit of tweaking of icons and interface colors in the next betas.
 

zerostar

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After looking at all the developer information, I think we will see some small changes (please flip the Mail gradient) but I don't see a major design overhaul coming, this was very planned out and deliberate and developers who want to follow the new guidelines will be moving this direction as well.
 

xcodeaddict

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If you're not an ADC member, and haven't watched some of the videos, then you're not going to get it. It's as simple as that.
 

zbarvian

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They aren't gonna do another redesign, but I'm sure they'll do some new icons or font tweaks.
 

xcodeaddict

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This, the videos explain a lot. Everything was done for a reason. No crazy selection of colors or anything.
As is evidenced by the sheer number of laughable "me too" thread creations this last week, it easier (read: lazier) to moan, than to step aside - keep your mind open, and learn more IN ISOLATION FROM OPINIONS.


Ironically, the more people moan, the more they're actually saying they love it - we all know 99% of the complainers will do an about-face when they use it full time, upon release. How very obvious, it's repeat behaviour showing itself again.
 

haydn!

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As is evidenced by the sheer number of laughable "me too" thread creations this last week, it easier (read: lazier) to moan, than to step aside - keep your mind open, and learn more IN ISOLATION FROM OPINIONS.


Ironically, the more people moan, the more they're actually saying they love it - we all know 99% of the complainers will do an about-face when they use it full time, upon release. How very obvious, it's repeat behaviour showing itself again.
Its is. The posting cycle on MacRumors is as predictable as Apple's product life cycles.

Build up + overhype >>> Disappointed with what's actually delivered >>> Complain Apple didn't innovate >>> Product goes on sale & sells millions >>> Users find it's actually better than they expected & they now love it >>> Repeat.
 

Feed Me

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If you're not an ADC member, and haven't watched some of the videos, then you're not going to get it. It's as simple as that.
Funny, I never had to watch developer videos to "get" iOS 6 and below. :rolleyes:


I have actually watched a few of the videos, and it seems like a lot of good, well-informed intentions were put into making iOS 7's design, but the execution is... not so good. I get what Apple were trying to do (maximise content, make the OS fade away, increase legibility, etc), and they succeeded in that with iOS 7... with the side-effect of melding everything into a blinding blend of saturated primary colours and vast expanses of white nothingness.

P.S: Do they ever discuss iOS 7's icon designs in close details in any of the videos? I want to know what they were smoking when they came up with the Safari icon, because I want some.
 

xcodeaddict

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Its is. The posting cycle on MacRumors is as predictable as Apple's product life cycles.

Build up + overhype >>> Disappointed with what's actually delivered >>> Complain Apple didn't innovate >>> Product goes on sale & sells millions >>> Users find it's actually better than they expected & they now love it >>> Repeat.
the most well-balanced post I have read for at least an hour :)

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Funny, I never had to watch developer videos to "get" iOS 6 and below. :rolleyes:


I have actually watched a few of the videos, and it seems like a lot of good, well-informed intentions were put into making iOS 7's design, but the execution is... not so good. I get what Apple were trying to do (maximise content, make the OS fade away, increase legibility, etc), and they succeeded in that with iOS 7... with the side-effect of melding everything into a blinding blend of saturated primary colours and vast expanses of white nothingness.

P.S: Do they ever discuss iOS 7's icon designs in close details in any of the videos? I want to know what they were smoking when they came up with the Safari icon, because I want some.
Just watch the videos - I am not the videos.
 

haydn!

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Funny, I never had to watch developer videos to "get" iOS 6 and below. :rolleyes:
Speak for yourself, but as an outsider I original found the look of iOS to be un-intuitive, clunky and ugly. It was only after a mate had a 3G and that I had some hands-on experience I realised just how much looks can be deceiving. I've had an iPhone ever since the day the 3GS was released.

The point I'm making is, iOS6 had six years to 'get' it's message out there- because lets face it, despite new features the UI never changed in all that time. This is major step forward for the platform, and in some ways the changes will put it back at square one in a users mindset.

Look at the backlash to Windows 8. It's actually a fairly sturdy, robust OS but it's alienated millions of users because it's so different to 7 and everything before it. Microsoft are having to not only sell a new visual appearance, but a completely different way of using the system. At least with Apple, the way you use the phone is largely the same as before, it just looks a little nicer.

One thing I do dislike though with iOS7, is the way to call search. How un-obvious is that!
 

C DM

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This, the videos explain a lot. Everything was done for a reason. No crazy selection of colors or anything.
And the reason for let's say those colors would be exactly what? Or simply having some text as something that should represent buttons?

(And, while saying something like marketing shows that those colors are the best somehow could be a reason, it doesn't really say much for it being a good reason as far as let's say design/usability is concerned.)
 

KenAFSPC

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Just watch the videos - I am not the videos.
Why Apple did what they did is irrelevant. Outside of die-hard Apple fans, users could care less about design principles. All that matters is how it looks.

I expect subtle visual changes, hence my disappointment. However, as a fan of the Apple IOS platform, I am hoping for more substantial changes.
 

KenAFSPC

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This is a totally different beta process than before based on the short time for development leading up to the beta release. I imagine we'll be seeing more changes than with previous betas. Nothing is off limits!
According to the development videos that others are urging you to watch, IOS7 has been in development for roughly two years. Some of the UI work is new, because Jony Ive has a very different vision than Steve Jobs and Scott Forstall for UI aesthetics.
 

VSMacOne

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According to the development videos that others are urging you to watch, IOS7 has been in development for roughly two years. Some of the UI work is new, because Jony Ive has a very different vision than Steve Jobs and Scott Forstall for UI aesthetics.
I don't think that matters much in this instance. Maybe some of the features like AirDrop were already planned, but from what everybody with a connection inside Apple is saying, once Ive took over it became a totally different beast and he pretty much re-did everything. Which is not an easy task for 7-8 months.
 

xcodeaddict

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Why Apple did what they did is irrelevant. Outside of die-hard Apple fans, users could care less about design principles. All that matters is how it looks.

I expect subtle visual changes, hence my disappointment. However, as a fan of the Apple IOS platform, I am hoping for more substantial changes.
So, by saying they *could* care less, this implies they care more...

Watch... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om7O0MFkmpw
 

chekz0414

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Apple at one point has tweaked design/functionality but it was VERY minor, If you guys remembered the iOS 5 betas, Reminders in beta 1 used to say "Milk, Bread, Eggs" and then they changed it to the iOS 6 one in beta 2 of 5.0, also the way notifications appeared on the lock screen, the ugly bubble notifications had replaced the strip notifications in beta 1 of iOS 5...Also watching the videos for iOS 7, I can tell you as a developer really gives you insight to the design and thought process, the icons go together, since I am under NDA, I will tell you which apps go together but I won't provide a picture...

Clock, Calendar, and Compass (Red unification color)
Reminders and Calculator (Orange unification color)
Messages, Phone, FaceTime, Newsstand, Settings, Mail, Photos, AppStore, Safari, Maps, Passbook, and Contacts (Blue is the unification color)
Notes and Camera (Yellow Unification)
(iTunes and Video apps have dual gradient matching unification)
Stocks and Weather also based off of the same color system like iTunes and Video
The odd app out is Game Center, which features purple elements...Also Music isn't following any unification either.
 

Nishi100

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I'm not expecting major, but maybe a few minor things like:

A few more gradients in app UI, and a few less gradients on the icons.
More contrast in the apps, and less contrast / saturation on the icons.
More shadows to separate app UI from content, and some shadows behind app icons.
And a better dock.