New build - CPU 1851

[wonderings]

I am slowly putting together a new PC build to replace my aging gaming PC.

My real question is about this new socket 1851 CPU. For somewhat future proofing should I be looking for a motherboard that supports this socket? or sticking with the current is going to be relevant still for the next while?

 

[1BadManVan]

I am slowly putting together a new PC build to replace my aging gaming PC.

My real question is about this new socket 1185 CPU. For somewhat future proofing should I be looking for a motherboard that supports this socket? or sticking with the current is going to be relevant still for the next while?

There is no 1185 socket, exactly what cpu is this?

 

[wonderings]

There is no 1185 socket, exactly what cpu is this?

sorry, it is LGA1851

 

[1BadManVan]

So it depends on your budget for a system. Lga 1700 is currently a dead end, it wont go past the 14th gen intel chips. Obviously a nice 14th gen chip will last you for a number of years and be fine, but you wont be able to upgrade down the road to a newer gen chip with the motherboard.

A viable option if you're looking to get into the newer gen sockets but save a bit of money upfront would be AMD's am5 platform, AMD said it will support until 2027. So you can choose a more mid range cpu to start and be able to upgrade down the road.

AMD chips are very popular for gaming systems these days

 

[throAU]

I am slowly putting together a new PC build to replace my aging gaming PC.

My real question is about this new socket 1851 CPU. For somewhat future proofing should I be looking for a motherboard that supports this socket? or sticking with the current is going to be relevant still for the next while?

Being an intel processor, there's no motherboard future-proofing to be expected.

 

[maflynn]

Personally, I'd stay away from Intel at this point, their 12th and 13th gen had issues, where the cpu could get permentnatly damaged - they have since released bios microcode to address this. Their new 14th gen processors are actually slower then the 13th gen - particularly when playing games.

AMD's 9800X3D is the most popular and current darling of the media when it comes to best gaming cpu. I'd consider that or another variant of their 3d cached processors.

Nvidia is coming out with their next gen GPUs this week during CES - one might think that's good news, but they'll be wildly expensive, have huge power demands and will be in shot supply. Consider maybe a 4070 Super

 

[1BadManVan]

Personally, I'd stay away from Intel at this point, their 12th and 13th gen had issues, where the cpu could get permentnatly damaged - they have since released bios microcode to address this. Their new 14th gen processors are actually slower then the 13th gen - particularly when playing games.

AMD's 9800X3D is the most popular and current darling of the media when it comes to best gaming cpu. I'd consider that or another variant of their 3d cached processors.

Nvidia is coming out with their next gen GPUs this week during CES - one might think that's good news, but they'll be wildly expensive, have huge power demands and will be in shot supply. Consider maybe a 4070 Super

Intel 13/14th gens were affected, 12th gens were safe from that. I own a 13700kf, love it and no issues, but i still agree that AMD is the better route for a gaming build at this point

 

[wonderings]

Personally, I'd stay away from Intel at this point, their 12th and 13th gen had issues, where the cpu could get permentnatly damaged - they have since released bios microcode to address this. Their new 14th gen processors are actually slower then the 13th gen - particularly when playing games.

AMD's 9800X3D is the most popular and current darling of the media when it comes to best gaming cpu. I'd consider that or another variant of their 3d cached processors.

Nvidia is coming out with their next gen GPUs this week during CES - one might think that's good news, but they'll be wildly expensive, have huge power demands and will be in shot supply. Consider maybe a 4070 Super

I will look into the AMD option, but I don't think the motherboard I want works with AMD at the moment. All the connections are on the back and it can power the graphics card through the motherboard, no cables needed. I really want a clean cable free setup. I am not a power gamer, just enjoy the process and want some better gameplay in a few specific games that require beefier equipment then what I have now. I will be going with a 5070 ti whenever I can get my hands on it. Again I am not in a rush so when things are available I will make my purchases.

 

[pshufd]

Personally, I'd stay away from Intel at this point, their 12th and 13th gen had issues, where the cpu could get permentnatly damaged - they have since released bios microcode to address this. Their new 14th gen processors are actually slower then the 13th gen - particularly when playing games.

AMD's 9800X3D is the most popular and current darling of the media when it comes to best gaming cpu. I'd consider that or another variant of their 3d cached processors.

Nvidia is coming out with their next gen GPUs this week during CES - one might think that's good news, but they'll be wildly expensive, have huge power demands and will be in shot supply. Consider maybe a 4070 Super

It's hard for me personally to change brands as I've been an Intel customer for so long. Last time I bought AMD was around 2003. Pretty sad to see Intel going through problems for the past 15 years.

 

[wonderings]

It's hard for me personally to change brands as I've been an Intel customer for so long. Last time I bought AMD was around 2003. Pretty sad to see Intel going through problems for the past 15 years.

I am not really brand loyal to anything, but intel is just "known" to me. I have no frame of reference with the naming scheme for their processors whereas with Intel I can hear a product name and make some assumptions on it right away.

 

[maflynn]

I will look into the AMD option, but I don't think the motherboard I want works with AMD at the moment.

You need a new motherboard anyways, you need to choose an Intel based motherboard or AMD. Check out https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ and build out what you want, and you can see what fits within your budget.

I was a total intel fanboy, but they've been missing the mark, the past few years. What's incredibly sad, is the new 14th gen CPUs are slower then their 13th gen CPUs.

 

[pshufd]

You need a new motherboard anyways, you need to choose an Intel based motherboard or AMD. Check out https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ and build out what you want, and you can see what fits within your budget.

I was a total intel fanboy, but they've been missing the mark, the past few years. What's incredibly sad, is the new 14th gen CPUs are slower then their 13th gen CPUs.

I think that they tried to improve on performance per watt.

I wish that someone would make a Lunar Lake laptop with a discrete GPU. It seems like it's either gaming on the desktop or sipping power on the laptop.

 

[wonderings]

You need a new motherboard anyways, you need to choose an Intel based motherboard or AMD. Check out https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ and build out what you want, and you can see what fits within your budget.

I was a total intel fanboy, but they've been missing the mark, the past few years. What's incredibly sad, is the new 14th gen CPUs are slower then their 13th gen CPUs.

This is the motherboard I will be buying.

TUF GAMING Z790-BTF WIFI｜Motherboards｜ASUS Canada

ASUS TUF Gaming motherboards distill essential elements of the latest Intel® platform and combine them with game-ready features and proven durability. Engineered with military-grade components, an upgraded power solution and a comprehensive set of cooling options, each ASUS TUF Gaming...

www.asus.com

I don't see anything about an AMD option. I want a clean cable free build and this is the only one that really allows it. All the connection points are on the rear of the motherboard (which works with my case) and the motherboard itself is able to power the GPU, so no power cable from the PSU to the GPU is needed. I will check again to see what is out there in 3 or 4 months time when I am ready to purchase. Going to be looking for a 5070 TI or a 5080 but think they will be hard to come by when they start selling at the end of this month.

 

[1BadManVan]

This is the motherboard I will be buying.

TUF GAMING Z790-BTF WIFI｜Motherboards｜ASUS Canada

ASUS TUF Gaming motherboards distill essential elements of the latest Intel® platform and combine them with game-ready features and proven durability. Engineered with military-grade components, an upgraded power solution and a comprehensive set of cooling options, each ASUS TUF Gaming...

www.asus.com

I don't see anything about an AMD option. I want a clean cable free build and this is the only one that really allows it. All the connection points are on the rear of the motherboard (which works with my case) and the motherboard itself is able to power the GPU, so no power cable from the PSU to the GPU is needed. I will check again to see what is out there in 3 or 4 months time when I am ready to purchase. Going to be looking for a 5070 TI or a 5080 but think they will be hard to come by when they start selling at the end of this month.

You also have to buy the specific model gpu that supports btf, which will be a premium ontop. It doesn’t just work on any graphics card. Currently Asus only offers 2 models that support that btf feature for that motherboard.

At the end of the day, I guess it depends how much you’re willing to sacrifice for cable free design. Limiting yourself to last gens socket is obviously a big factor

 

[MacCheetah3]

This is the motherboard I will be buying.

TUF GAMING Z790-BTF WIFI｜Motherboards｜ASUS Canada

ASUS TUF Gaming motherboards distill essential elements of the latest Intel® platform and combine them with game-ready features and proven durability. Engineered with military-grade components, an upgraded power solution and a comprehensive set of cooling options, each ASUS TUF Gaming...

www.asus.com

I don't see anything about an AMD option.

There is one upcoming:

Wield the power of AMD Ryzen 9000 Series CPUs with the ultra-clean TUF Gaming B850-BTF WiFi​

It’s the third lap around the track for AMD Ryzen X3D CPUs, and each generation of these chips has done nothing but cement the series’ reputation for PC gaming dominance. Gamers love to pair these powerhouse CPUs with a value-oriented TUF Gaming B-Series motherboard, so we’re preparing a special TUF Gaming board that pairs the tidy BTF aesthetic with support for the latest AMD Ryzen X3D processors. Introducing the TUF Gaming B850-BTF WiFi.



We’re not ready to share all the details on this motherboard quite yet, but we’re excited to give you a sneak peek. First off, this is a B850 motherboard built on AMD’s mainstream chipset. Offering a fully modern platform with more connectivity options, more and faster M.2 slots, faster wireless networking options, and much more, B850 motherboards offer incredible bang-for-the-buck for your gaming build — especially if you’re upgrading from the classic B550/B450 generation.

The TUF Gaming B850-BTF WiFi ups the ante with a PCIe 5.0 x16 slot for your next-gen graphics card, as well as a PCIe 5.0 M.2 slot ready for a premium-grade storage drive. WiFi 7 support lets you take advantage of the latest standard with a compatible router. Like the ROG Maximus Z890 Hero BTF, the TUF Gaming B850-BTF WiFi allows for an Advanced BTF build through its inclusion of a graphics card high-power slot.

The BTF hidden-connector ecosystem expands with a new AIO cooler and motherboards from ROG and TUF Gaming - Edge Up

Our BTF lineup is expanding with a new Z890 motherboard option, a new B850 motherboard option, and an AIO CPU liquid cooler that's BTF-ready.

edgeup.asus.com

As already noted:

You also have to buy the specific model gpu that supports btf, which will be a premium ontop. It doesn’t just work on any graphics card. Currently Asus only offers 2 models that support that btf feature

ASUS TUF Gaming GeForce RTX™ 4070 Ti SUPER BTF White OC Edition 16GB GDDR6X

TUF Gaming graphics cards add hefty 3D horsepower to the TUF Gaming ecosystem, with features like Auto-Extreme manufacturing, steel backplates, high-tech fans, and IP5X certifications. And it’s all backed by a rigorous battery of validation tests to ensure compatibility with the latest TUF...

www.asus.com

ROG Strix GeForce RTX™ 4090 BTF OC Edition 24GB GDDR6X | Graphics Cards | ROG Global

ROG Strix GeForce RTX™ 4090 BTF OC Edition 24GB GDDR6X buffed-up design with chart-topping thermal performance and innovative Graphics Card High-Power (GC-HPWR) Gold Finger.

rog.asus.com

https://www.reddit.com/r/ASUS/comments/1hvo5b7/no_btf_5000_series_versions_announced

You’re also further restricting PC case choices, for example:

Corsair rolls out cases for motherboards with hidden connectors — 2500D/X and 6500D/X support MSI Project Zero and Asus BTF

Finally, high-end cases for motherboards with hidden connectors

www.tomshardware.com

https://www.reddit.com/r/Phanteks/comments/1dqm8s6/phanteks_and_lian_li_cases_coming_soon_with_rear

Of course, more could be coming this year.

 

[maflynn]

I don't see anything about an AMD option. I want a clean cable free build and this is the only one that really allows it. All the connection points are on the rear of the motherboard (which works with my case) and the motherboard itself is able to power the GPU, so no power cable from the PSU to the GPU is needed.

So you're going with a proprietary design that requires only certain GPUs? You're braver then me. You may be painting yourself in a corner, as you're reliant on Asus to keep producing GPUs that are compatible for that motherboard, otherwise you have to just a regular GPU and have a power cable going to it, and that point why bother. I'm also assuming you'll need a case that supports this as well.

Good luck with your build, I'm not knocking your desire for having no cables showing, but personally, I'd rather have a better functioning PC then a cable-less design that I'll rarely look at. Also if you get a case that uses mesh or solid side panels, its a non-issue regarding the cables, you'll never see them

btw, you can achieve a clean build fairly easily
here's an old one from @LiE_
You really only see the GPU power cable but that's about it. I have this case, and indeed its very clean as well, not as good as what @LiE_ did though

 

[wonderings]

So you're going with a proprietary design that requires only certain GPUs? You're braver then me. You may be painting yourself in a corner, as you're reliant on Asus to keep producing GPUs that are compatible for that motherboard, otherwise you have to just a regular GPU and have a power cable going to it, and that point why bother. I'm also assuming you'll need a case that supports this as well.

Good luck with your build, I'm not knocking your desire for having no cables showing, but personally, I'd rather have a better functioning PC then a cable-less design that I'll rarely look at. Also if you get a case that uses mesh or solid side panels, its a non-issue regarding the cables, you'll never see them

btw, you can achieve a clean build fairly easily
here's an old one from @LiE_
You really only see the GPU power cable but that's about it. I have this case, and indeed its very clean as well, not as good as what @LiE_ did though
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I was not aware that the motherboard used anything proprietary for powering a gpu. I will be researching more when I get to the point of actually buying a motherboard. If that is the case I would go with the MSI variant which is basically the same just can't power a GPU through the motherboard. I have the case already, and it does support the back ports on the motherboard.

This is the case I have:

6500X Mid-Tower Dual Chamber PC Case - White

The CORSAIR 6500X Mid-Tower Dual Chamber PC Case delivers exceptional airflow and cooling with fully mesh paneling and a dual chamber design for an organized, stunning build.

www.corsair.com

 

[maflynn]

I was not aware that the motherboard used anything proprietary for powering a gpu.

You can still use a normal GPU, but then you have a wire coming in the front, basically paying a premium for the motherboard and not really getting the benefits. For the most part, only the GPU power cable is ever really visible. You can hide most of the other cables for the most part.

 

[wonderings]

You can still use a normal GPU, but then you have a wire coming in the front, basically paying a premium for the motherboard and not really getting the benefits. For the most part, only the GPU power cable is ever really visible. You can hide most of the other cables for the most part.

It is more than just the GPU power, all the cables are plugged into the back of that motherboard which I like.

 

[maflynn]

It is more than just the GPU power, all the cables are plugged into the back of that motherboard which I like.

I understand, and I don't knock that, but for the most part only the GPU cable is what's noticeable in PC builds. Regardless good luck on your build.