New Cinema Displays? what happend!!!!

[grue]

You seem like one of those posters that is going to start getting emotional for NO reason.... I will watch what I say then.


The H-IPS panel is WAY over-priced for simple TV viewing. You will pay thousands of dollars for even a 30" monitor just to watch TV. Most people are better off getting less color specific high end monitors.

Either-way, I don't really care, so SURE... you are right and I was SO trying to legislate my view onto other people.

Emotional? Hardly.

Yes, it's overpriced for simple TV viewing, and anyone who buys it for that specific purpose is an idiot, plain and simple. But the fact of the matter is that for many users, it's far more convenient to buy a display that does both sides of what they want to do than to buy a good display AND a good TV.

It's not going to make people go "Oh, I should get a high end Apple display instead of a budget Dell display I was planning on that has the same features", but it might go "Oh, I guess I don't have to compromise and buy a crappy Dell display just to get the features that I need"

Make sense?

 

[Techguy172]

You seem like one of those posters that is going to start getting emotional for NO reason.... I will watch what I say then.


The H-IPS panel is WAY over-priced for simple TV viewing. You will pay thousands of dollars for even a 30" monitor just to watch TV. Most people are better off getting less color specific high end monitors.

Either-way, I don't really care, so SURE... you are right and I was SO trying to legislate my view onto other people.

I agree with you on the H-ips panel but what i think your missing is people buy it for a monitor but then the extra functionality comes in handy. I use my dell with an S-IPS panel as Tv sometimes.

There's no reason why apple can't do it and frankly if they want to compete with dell they are going to have to do something about the current state of inputs and outputs.

 

[Digital Skunk]

Make sense?

Yeah it does. It always has. I guess my understanding lies in the use of the display.

I honestly don't care whether they put more connection options on the thing, I just want what the NECs and LaCies have now.

Competing with Dell and HP would only come from making cheaper panels, which would be nice for those that want TN/PVA models, but anything with an H-IPS is going to cost. Even Dells 30" H-IPS is $2000, I am sure Apple will charge more.

Now that Sony Bravias are around $1500 for 42" owning one is actually in my reach.

 

[Techguy172]

Yeah it does. It always has. I guess my understanding lies in the use of the display.

I honestly don't care whether they put more connection options on the thing, I just want what the NECs and LaCies have now.

Competing with Dell and HP would only come from making cheaper panels, which would be nice for those that want TN/PVA models, but anything with an H-IPS is going to cost. Even Dells 30" H-IPS is $2000, I am sure Apple will charge more.

Now that Sony Bravias are around $1500 for 42" owning one is actually in my reach.

Dell's 30" model has many connections though it makes up for the price. Apple needs to add more. The panels are good now. Less provide more connections and make it adjustable. I hate the stand it has now. It's flimsy and non-adjustable.

 

[Digital Skunk]

Dell's 30" model has many connections though it makes up for the price. Apple needs to add more. The panels are good now. Less provide more connections and make it adjustable. I hate the stand it has now. It's flimsy and non-adjustable.

The price comes from the H-IPS it has, not the connections. The 30" isn't as good due to the S-IPS panel. The stand is meh to me. I just want the brighter, higher contrast, more NTSC gamut H-IPS panel. The only reason I would still grab the ACD is because of the FW400.

 

[nanofrog]

The price comes from the H-IPS it has, not the connections. The 30" isn't as good due to the S-IPS panel. The stand is meh to me. I just want the brighter, higher contrast, more NTSC gamut H-IPS panel. The only reason I would still grab the ACD is because of the FW400.

You do graphics work don't you?
Such requirements are needed for professional uses. I've used NEC's and Eizo Nanao's for CAM/CAE. Staring a a monitor for that long, I definitely appreciate such specs.
I already have to wear glasses as a result.

But they do tend to neglect the addition of features for more home/personal uses. No card reader, likely other things like HDMI, USB, and FW ports were never included either. (Depending on specific monitor).

It seems the Dell 2408WFP is aimed at more of a home/personal use market.

Apple may be waiting on a redesign, as they don't want to introduce one too soon, then have competitors beat them to the market with say, OLED based stuff. Just a guess though.

 

[Fast Shadow]

Measurebation (what a great term, thank you for that) aside, one thing that I think is universally true is that the contrast ratio on the displays is really quite bad. If you ever watch a film on it (be it for pleasure or work) in a darkened room, they don't get anywhere near a true black.

Blacks on an LCD are never that great to my eyes, it takes a CRT or plasma for them to look good to me. The Eizos are pretty good with blacks but they come with a significant price tag.

 

[Umbongo]

Blacks on an LCD are never that great to my eyes, it takes a CRT or plasma for them to look good to me. The Eizos are pretty good with blacks but they come with a significant price tag.

The move to LED displays should solve this, providing much better blacks. The real issue of course is the price tag.

 

[Digital Skunk]

Blacks on an LCD are never that great to my eyes, it takes a CRT or plasma for them to look good to me. The Eizos are pretty good with blacks but they come with a significant price tag.

The move to LED displays should solve this, providing much better blacks. The real issue of course is the price tag.

Which is why I do understand the need for more connection options, but fail miserably at understanding why someone, anyone would want one as a TV.

 

[Umbongo]

Which is why I do understand the need for more connection options, but fail miserably at understanding why someone, anyone would want one as a TV.

Some people can't afford to spend money on getting both, or their workspace won't really allow it. Why sacrifice getting a decent monitor when it can be used fine as a TV with the right inputs?

Personally I think we will only see DVI and DisplayPort on any new Apple displays as I think Apple really only offer them to provide the full solution to Mac Pro and Macbook Pro owners.