new graphics cards and gaming

Riffraffer

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The macbooks have been upgraded from the Intel HD Graphics 3000 + AMD Radeon HD 6750M/6770M to Intel HD Graphics 4000 / NVIDIA Kepler GeForce GT 650M with up to 1GB of memory.

I'm in between purchasing a refurbished 15'' late 2011 MBP and a 13" 2012 MBP which i can get for about the same price. With the primary intention of using the computer for gaming (diablo 3, starcraft) which one will perform better?
 

Dragonforce

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The 650M, without any doubt.

Edit: Wait... if your only option of the new MBPs would be the 13 incher, then the old AMD GPU from last year would be the better choice,
 

cathyy

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Apr 12, 2008
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The macbooks have been upgraded from the Intel HD Graphics 3000 + AMD Radeon HD 6750M/6770M to Intel HD Graphics 4000 / NVIDIA Kepler GeForce GT 650M with up to 1GB of memory.

I'm in between purchasing a refurbished 15'' late 2011 MBP and a 13" 2012 MBP which i can get for about the same price. With the primary intention of using the computer for gaming (diablo 3, starcraft) which one will perform better?
The 6750/6770 is a far, far more superior GPU compared to the Intel HD 4000.

Heirachy:

Nvidia 650M
ATI 6750/6770
Nvdiia 330M
HD 4000
ATI 6490M
Nvidia 9600M GT / Nvidia 8600M GT
Nvidia 320M / HD 3000
Nvidia 9400M
 

stevelam

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Nov 4, 2010
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The macbooks have been upgraded from the Intel HD Graphics 3000 + AMD Radeon HD 6750M/6770M to Intel HD Graphics 4000 / NVIDIA Kepler GeForce GT 650M with up to 1GB of memory.

I'm in between purchasing a refurbished 15'' late 2011 MBP and a 13" 2012 MBP which i can get for about the same price. With the primary intention of using the computer for gaming (diablo 3, starcraft) which one will perform better?
sorry but if your primary intention is for gaming, a macbook is definitely not the best bang for your buck. its actually downright silly to buy one for that reason.
 

mikeo007

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Mar 18, 2010
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The 6750/6770 is a far, far more superior GPU compared to the Intel HD 4000.

Heirachy:

Nvidia 650M
ATI 6750/6770
Nvdiia 330M
HD 4000
ATI 6490M
Nvidia 9600M GT / Nvidia 8600M GT
Nvidia 320M / HD 3000
Nvidia 9400M
Your list is pretty off in some places when speaking about Macbooks. The HD 4000 is significantly lower on the list.

Nvidia 650M
ATI 6750/6770
Nvdiia 330M
Nvidia 9600M GT
ATI 6490M
HD 4000
Nvidia 320M
HD 3000
Nvidia 8600M GT
Nvidia 9400M
 

Tombs

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Feb 28, 2010
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sorry but if your primary intention is for gaming, a macbook is definitely not the best bang for your buck. its actually downright silly to buy one for that reason.
Absolutely spot on for the moment, but if MSI and ASUS get their act together on the supposedly external graphics card setup that will utilise a thunderport this may not end up being a silly option.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/e-g...418851-diy-egpu-experiences.html#introduction
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5150111944
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJYRSIlg0Ws
They are coming and would solve the issue of those who want mobility and the GPU grunt when gaming.
 

doopsie

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Your list is pretty off in some places when speaking about Macbooks. The HD 4000 is significantly lower on the list.

Nvidia 650M
ATI 6750/6770
Nvdiia 330M
Nvidia 9600M GT
ATI 6490M
HD 4000
Nvidia 320M
HD 3000
Nvidia 8600M GT
Nvidia 9400M
i didn't know my mid 2009 mbp had a better graphics card than the hd 4000 :D
 

cathyy

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Apr 12, 2008
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The macbooks have been upgraded from the Intel HD Graphics 3000 + AMD Radeon HD 6750M/6770M to Intel HD Graphics 4000 / NVIDIA Kepler GeForce GT 650M with up to 1GB of memory.

I'm in between purchasing a refurbished 15'' late 2011 MBP and a 13" 2012 MBP which i can get for about the same price. With the primary intention of using the computer for gaming (diablo 3, starcraft) which one will perform better?
Your list is pretty off in some places when speaking about Macbooks. The HD 4000 is significantly lower on the list.

Nvidia 650M
ATI 6750/6770
Nvdiia 330M
Nvidia 9600M GT
ATI 6490M
HD 4000
Nvidia 320M
HD 3000
Nvidia 8600M GT
Nvidia 9400M
Disagree with the position of the 9600M GT and 8600M GT. You are grossly underestimating the performance of the 8600M GT and overestimating the performance of the 9600M GT. Both of them are more or less equal in performance as the 9600M GT is based on the same card but with higher clocks. Most benchmarks of MBPs of the 8600M GT and 9600M GT show the 9600M GT is only about 10% faster.

http://installingcats.com/2008/10/18/macbook-pro-9600m-gt-gaming-performance-benchmarks/

The 320M also appears to be slightly weaker than the 9600M GT and is probably almost on par with the 8600M GT. Here's a thread on it: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=897409


I'm not too familiar with the ATI 6490 so shan't comment on that card.

However the Intel 4000 is a very powerful beast. Benchmarks put it around the level of the GT 330M. One thing you have to note is the Intel has several variations of this card based on the CPU. A Intel 4000 in a Macbook Air is much weaker than an Intel 4000 in a quad core MBP.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-HD-Graphics-4000.69168.0.html
 

stevelam

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Nov 4, 2010
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Absolutely spot on for the moment, but if MSI and ASUS get their act together on the supposedly external graphics card setup that will utilise a thunderport this may not end up being a silly option.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/e-g...418851-diy-egpu-experiences.html#introduction
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5150111944
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJYRSIlg0Ws
They are coming and would solve the issue of those who want mobility and the GPU grunt when gaming.
im definitely looking out for those thunderbolt external gpus as well. although my gaming days are fairly limited and i don't really play anything outside of the usual diablo/starcraft/guild wars type games which *generally* aren't as demanding as the latest FPS's.
 

cathyy

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mikeo007

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Mar 18, 2010
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Far, far superior. In most cases, the difference is night and day and the GT 650M appears to perform up to 50% faster.

You can scroll to the bottom of these 2 pages for some FPS benchmarks in several games for these 2 cards.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GT-650M.71887.0.html
http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-HD-6770M.43955.0.html
Difference will be less in real world usage, but there's no denying its an upgrade. The 50% is very situational though.
 

Snesley Wipes

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Jun 29, 2009
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The macbooks have been upgraded from the Intel HD Graphics 3000 + AMD Radeon HD 6750M/6770M to Intel HD Graphics 4000 / NVIDIA Kepler GeForce GT 650M with up to 1GB of memory.
What's the point of this statement? That's like saying the Honda CBR motorcycle has a 900cc engine, but I am looking to purchase either a Honda Civic or Accord?
 
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