New HyperJuice USB-C Battery Pack Offers 130W of Power and 27,000mAh Capacity

[justperry]

They’re 2170 cells, actually. Much better density than the 18650’s. But yes - they’re still Lithium battery.

Why would 1000-1500kM (~600-1000 mi) be needed on a charge? Most gas vehicles go from 300-400 miles on a tank of fuel - right in the same range for my battery car. (325ish)

I’ve never driven 600-1000 miles without stopping. Ever.

And as for hydrogen .... no thanks. At the NYIAS, Toyota had their Mirai on display, along with a cutaway.

Seeing the COPVs needed, no thanks. One puncture or accident and we have a major problem.

Holidays for instance, you don't want to recharge every 300-400 Km, less recharging which is also better for the batteries.

As for COPV, I had no clue what that was, there are other safe ways to store hydrogen.

Maybe for you, but not for everyone. I need about 200-250 km out of one charge. For the past year, I've been driving an electric car to clients. Daily distance of about 150 km (93 mi). Works fine.

Plenty people need it, what about holidays, you don't want to stop each and every 300 Km for a couple of hours on a 2000 Km trip to Spain for instance.

 

[Analog Kid]

(Where's my graphene battery?!?)

Where’s my graphene anything?

 

[code-m]

Gotta love conspiracy theories. I've heard that these delays are being caused by the same aliens that shot JFK.

Why would you believe it is a conspiracy theory, many established companies with a monopoly in the market have interests in development of up and coming technology. Ever heard of the saying, “keep your friends close and your enemies closer”. A smart company always has a share in competing technology as to know get caught in the change and loose out. Corporates bottom line is how to make money and more of it while protecting our interests.

As an example look at Tyson Meats who invested in Beyond Meat company, yes it’s a alternate competing product that could be a direct competitor in the future. However Tyson Meats has their hands in both pies or more, this is just one example.

 

[Vjosullivan]

Why would you believe it is a conspiracy theory, many established companies with a monopoly in the market have interests in development of up and coming technology. Ever heard of the saying, “keep your friends close and your enemies closer”. A smart company always has a share in competing technology as to know get caught in the change and loose out. Corporates bottom line is how to make money and more of it while protecting our interests.

As an example look at Tyson Meats who invested in Beyond Meat company, yes it’s a alternate competing product that could be a direct competitor in the future. However Tyson Meats has their hands in both pies or more, this is just one example.

So, by this logic, companies are actually conspiring to ensure battery logic succeeds, so that they can share in the profits.

 

[hansmoleman]

Holidays for instance, you don't want to recharge every 300-400 Km, less recharging which is also better for the batteries.

As for COPV, I had no clue what that was, there are other safe ways to store hydrogen.

Plenty people need it, what about holidays, you don't want to stop each and every 300 Km for a couple of hours on a 2000 Km trip to Spain for instance.

I don't want to drive straight through more than about 3 1/2-4 hours or so anyway. My car can do 500km on a charge - that's longer than I want to be in the seat without stretching my legs anyway, so a quick stop every 4-5 hours or so is fine with me.

I think hydrogen fueled cars is a fool's errand. It's extremely high pressure, and subject to some pretty bad failure modes. The batteries are actually quite a bit safer.

And for me, to drive to Spain, I'd need a submarine. If you're driving 2000km to Spain, you'd need about 4 or 5 recharging stops. You'd need about as many gasoline fuel stops as well. Again, you're going to want to stop to eat, to rest, to sleep, etc anyway - so factoring in those stops, let's say it's an extra hour to do that drive with electric vs. gas, once a year. Am I really going to worry about it?

How about all of the gasoline stops I don't make the other 364 days of the year?

 

[justperry]

I don't want to drive straight through more than about 3 1/2-4 hours or so anyway. My car can do 500km on a charge - that's longer than I want to be in the seat without stretching my legs anyway, so a quick stop every 4-5 hours or so is fine with me.

I think hydrogen fueled cars is a fool's errand. It's extremely high pressure, and subject to some pretty bad failure modes. The batteries are actually quite a bit safer.

And for me, to drive to Spain, I'd need a submarine. If you're driving 2000km to Spain, you'd need about 4 or 5 recharging stops. You'd need about as many gasoline fuel stops as well. Again, you're going to want to stop to eat, to rest, to sleep, etc anyway - so factoring in those stops, let's say it's an extra hour to do that drive with electric vs. gas, once a year. Am I really going to worry about it?

How about all of the gasoline stops I don't make the other 364 days of the year?

filling up a tank cost a few minutes, and another one can take over the driver seat, so, it's faster, filling up an electrical car to 100% takes much longer, don't think you are able to do it in 1 hour, and you need a charging station, which are still rare to find, much less than a petrol station.
Instant refill (minutes) is what people need and want on long trips.

 

[Vjosullivan]

filling up a tank cost a few minutes, and another one can take over the driver seat, so, it's faster, filling up an electrical car to 100% takes much longer, don't think you are able to do it in 1 hour, and you need a charging station, which are still rare to find, much less than a petrol station.
Instant refill (minutes) is what people need and want on long trips.

This is true but there are very many households with two cars where the second car rarely does anything other than short, home based journeys (commuting, school runs, shopping, etc.) that are well within the car's range. Electric cars are ideal, particularly since they have much lower maintenance requirements due to fewer moving parts (no piston engine, gearbox, fuel system, etc.).

 

[justperry]

This is true but there are very many households with two cars where the second car rarely does anything other than short, home based journeys (commuting, school runs, shopping, etc.) that are well within the car's range. Electric cars are ideal, particularly since they have much lower maintenance requirements due to fewer moving parts (no piston engine, gearbox, fuel system, etc.).

Some very good points you make.
Depends where you live though, here distances are short, lots of commuting done by public transport and bicycle.
But even here there are plenty of people with 2 cars, mostly because they both work.

 

[code-m]

So, by this logic, companies are actually conspiring to ensure battery logic succeeds, so that they can share in the profits.

Return on investment on an end-of-life life product till the last drop.

If Tesla initially released a 800-1000km vehicle, what would make people buy any new product and keep the company afloat to research other technologies.

The bells and whistles on any new car purchase is just frills, people want to know mileage, reliability, safety, comfort, looks. If I have to pay extra for an autonomous feature or get better mileage or reliability, it is easy to see where most will spend their money.

At the end of the day a car, a battery, etc will loose value and it’s effectiveness overtime, after so many recharge cycles it comes time to replace.

The other question is that if the car, a computer helps you make a profit and improves productivity then it can be a depreciating tool of an asset and the return of investment has to considered for as long as possible, even though we know it will need to be replaced.

Call it what you want, it is for profit and one has to squeeze the last drop till it is no longer profitable.

 

[Vjosullivan]

If Tesla initially released a 800-1000km vehicle, what would make people buy any new product and keep the company afloat to research other technologies.

So, you're saying that Tesla is preventing research into better batteries?

 

[code-m]

So, you're saying that Tesla is preventing research into better batteries?

That was an example, you are jumping the gun. Ever heard of the saying, “milking the cow”.

 

[Vjosullivan]

That was an example, you are jumping the gun. Ever heard of the saying, “milking the cow”.

Can you give evidence of this example - Tesla preventing battery research?

 

[code-m]

Can you give evidence of this example - Tesla preventing battery research?

One cannot just look at a single company, what happens is that someone invests amazing battery technology, then these companies either get bought out and if they do not sell the retaliatory tactics being. Since most of these battery companies are small or are invented by individuals, they cannot afford a lengthy legal battle if not all the other retaliatory measure that other industries place pressure on them.

These small companies or individuals get silenced, the tech is then placed on a shelf of competing companies, may their advance it for future use as a contingency plan or not, as it is a threat to their present business is a very real fear. The problem is that society does not advance and the government that should be protecting these small companies and individuals to promote their technology and better society are lobbied by large corporations to ignore it for political donations, etc.

It is very sad that humanity has the opportunity to reach a utopia society, however baseless currency that so many place nonsensical value on hinders and will destroy society to be equal, rather than these stupid egotistical self importance mindset.

Here is an example, if Tesla had the Model S that offered an P80 battery, and then few years later a P90 or P100 battery, why not offer a battery upgrade option with a trade-in subsidy. Electric cars like phones have enough motor power and internal accessories, what matters is the battery as recharge cycles, weather, etc degrade lifespan.

My MacBook Pro is 5 years old (Mid 2014 model) and other than battery life, this things runs like a dream. I honestly cannot see a reason to upgrade, however if I replace the battery it is expensive and it is nonsensical as a few hundred more can buy me a new laptop.

 

[loybond]

I think it was China that I flew through where they had a max 20,000 mah rule. They wanted to throw out one of my power banks because the mah rating had rubbed off.

Did anyone fly with these yet? My concerns is airport/airline staff will just look at the mAh capacity and not the w/hour

This power bank is pretty cool though... I haven't seen anything else that can do 130 w total or 100 w on one port. Now build this into a smallish wall charger that doesn't need a brick!

 

[hansmoleman]

filling up a tank cost a few minutes, and another one can take over the driver seat, so, it's faster, filling up an electrical car to 100% takes much longer, don't think you are able to do it in 1 hour, and you need a charging station, which are still rare to find, much less than a petrol station.
Instant refill (minutes) is what people need and want on long trips.

Disagree on all points.

Charging isn’t a linear function, but from about 8-10% to about 60% charge takes appx 15 minutes at a Supercharger. Enough time to stop, stretch, get a coffee and go. Not nearly as rare as you think - about 13,000 of them out there, and growing by the day.

I don’t mind a reasonable 15 minute pause every few hours during a long trip. It’s better for me mentally & physically too.

If the worst reason not to go electric is that a once a year 2,000 mile drive will take an extra hour vs gasoline, I’d say electric drive is a smash hit and here to stay.

 

[justperry]

Disagree on all points.

Charging isn’t a linear function, but from about 8-10% to about 60% charge takes appx 15 minutes at a Supercharger. Enough time to stop, stretch, get a coffee and go. Not nearly as rare as you think - about 13,000 of them out there, and growing by the day.

I don’t mind a reasonable 15 minute pause every few hours during a long trip. It’s better for me mentally & physically too.

If the worst reason not to go electric is that a once a year 2,000 mile drive will take an extra hour vs gasoline, I’d say electric drive is a smash hit and here to stay.

I just did some research, I knew Lithium Ion batteries charges way faster in the beginning, what I didn't know was that you can fill up to about 80% in half an hour to 45 minutes, amazing, that still is longer so there's one point in my post to agree with.

I do believe though that electric cars are not the best answer to pollution, they are not emission free as most people think, electric cars use...electricity, plenty of power plants still are not that environment friendly, same for Hydrogen cars, it is if it runs on electricity provided by lets say wind farms or solar power.

 

[wheelhot]

I just did some research, I knew Lithium Ion batteries charges way faster in the beginning, what I didn't know was that you can fill up to about 80% in half an hour to 45 minutes, amazing, that still is longer so there's one point in my post to agree with.

I do believe though that electric cars are not the best answer to pollution, they are not emission free as most people think, electric cars use...electricity, plenty of power plants still are not that environment friendly, same for Hydrogen cars, it is if it runs on electricity provided by lets say wind farms or solar power.

Exactly, electric car is only green as long as its source is from green energy, or else it's just passing the responsibility to another and just to feel good about yourself