MacSA said:Because I think in the next 6 months or so there are going to be some MAJOR changes to Apples computer lineup - not just little speedbumps.
And again I ask, would you want a Rev. A G5 PB? I know I wouldn't.
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And again I ask, would you want a Rev. A G5 PB? I know I wouldn't.
Diatribe said:
Ah come on, third-degree burns to your legs are always fun! Yah, a G5 PowerBook is one system which I would definitely stay away from the Rev A release...
It always amuses me when the "Dell sells such and such" opinions arrise.
Personally, I don't care if the machine has a 50 GHz processor in it if I have to run Windows on it. It's simply not a choice for me. Ever. I'm not going back to that bullsh*t - I watch it every day in our office. Thank God I was lucky enough to get my old Sawtooth replaced with a new iMac G5. I was petrified I was going to have to work on a Windows system.
My new 12" iBook was exactly what I needed:
1. Something with wireless Internet.
2. Something close to my G4 Powermac in speed (1.2 was close enough for me).
3. Something I could run Photoshop on to do BASIC work to images on when I am in the field.
4. Something I could burn CD's from my CF cards when I am in the field.
5. Something SMALL and LIGHT that I could take with me on vacation.
In other words, the speed bump, the price drop, the AirPort additions are what hooked me. The machine does evrything I need it to.
Dell or andy of the other folks don't make anything that suit my style taste, operating system needs, or size, so the point is mute.
If you want a Dell, go buy one by all means.
I love all three of my Macs and wouldn't ever buy a Wintel machine again.
Personally, I don't care if the machine has a 50 GHz processor in it if I have to run Windows on it. It's simply not a choice for me. Ever. I'm not going back to that bullsh*t - I watch it every day in our office. Thank God I was lucky enough to get my old Sawtooth replaced with a new iMac G5. I was petrified I was going to have to work on a Windows system.
My new 12" iBook was exactly what I needed:
1. Something with wireless Internet.
2. Something close to my G4 Powermac in speed (1.2 was close enough for me).
3. Something I could run Photoshop on to do BASIC work to images on when I am in the field.
4. Something I could burn CD's from my CF cards when I am in the field.
5. Something SMALL and LIGHT that I could take with me on vacation.
In other words, the speed bump, the price drop, the AirPort additions are what hooked me. The machine does evrything I need it to.
Dell or andy of the other folks don't make anything that suit my style taste, operating system needs, or size, so the point is mute.
If you want a Dell, go buy one by all means.
I love all three of my Macs and wouldn't ever buy a Wintel machine again.
Seriously, Apple is going to keep on giving the iBook little bumps for awhile. The design they have now is already very small and has very nice touches like the slot loading drive from the PB. The next big thing in portable will be the G5 and I beat that wont make it to the 12" PB for awhile after the 17" and 15".
So for me the iBook is the way to go, the 12" is very small and now compares nicely with a 6 month old 12" PB. Yes it is the slowest Mac avaliable, but that doesn't make it SLOW. Personally I also like the look of the iBook more then the PB because the white is more uniquely Apple, Sony has been using aluminum colored stuff for awhile. Not to say the PB is anything less then beautiful, but you have to admit the finish of the iBook is more unique. I still get people asking me questions about my little white computer (have a new iBook G4 on its way though). I don't think the 12" powerbook is all that superior, yes it is a little, but the 1.2 Ghz is fast and small and can handle all photoshop/illustrator tasks I throw at it.
Now build me a 12" G5 PB with the fiber-optic keyboard and thats a different story...
So for me the iBook is the way to go, the 12" is very small and now compares nicely with a 6 month old 12" PB. Yes it is the slowest Mac avaliable, but that doesn't make it SLOW. Personally I also like the look of the iBook more then the PB because the white is more uniquely Apple, Sony has been using aluminum colored stuff for awhile. Not to say the PB is anything less then beautiful, but you have to admit the finish of the iBook is more unique. I still get people asking me questions about my little white computer (have a new iBook G4 on its way though). I don't think the 12" powerbook is all that superior, yes it is a little, but the 1.2 Ghz is fast and small and can handle all photoshop/illustrator tasks I throw at it.
Now build me a 12" G5 PB with the fiber-optic keyboard and thats a different story...
cazlar said:
Oh do I know what you mean! Here in NZ all our stuff is brought from you guys through a reseller who puts their own markups on everything, so the US$999 iBook, which would exchange to around NZ$1450 is sold for NZ$1805. However we have had a price drop of a whole FOURTY dollars (NZ) which is about US$25. Hmmmm where oh where did that price drop go...
Just bought a 12" base ibook
$992.14 out the door. I would have bought a powerbook if it had been recently upgraded, but now I'm going for maximum value. I need a laptop now but I just can't buy already outdated overpriced tech. I would have loved the powerbook, but for my uses, I'll get by with the i for a year and buy the powerbook on the next revision after Jan?
This will be my first mac after years of windows machines Can anyone welcome me over with some words of wisdom?
$992.14 out the door. I would have bought a powerbook if it had been recently upgraded, but now I'm going for maximum value. I need a laptop now but I just can't buy already outdated overpriced tech. I would have loved the powerbook, but for my uses, I'll get by with the i for a year and buy the powerbook on the next revision after Jan?
This will be my first mac after years of windows machines
Can anyone welcome me over with some words of wisdom?
good1mike said:This will be my first mac after years of windows machines
Welcome good1mike!
Here are some words of wisdom:
"If a cage with a tiger is marked an elephant, don't believe your eyes."
Koz'ma Prutkov (a nom-de-plume for four 19th Century Russian writers)
I have also ordered a 12" iBook - I was ready to buy a PB but decided the iBook (after the update) was better value and would do everything I need it to. I can't wait for it to arrive now, but its not even due to ship until Friday
brap said:This makes my 1.33GHz $1600 Powerbook feel very queasy
On the plus side, my missus can have a wicked fast iBook for very little cash. Can we assume Apple have something very, very, very special for the next pb revision, if they're going to push these lines so close together?
eventually i guess apple will have a G5 powerbook
but maybe one more version of a G4 powerbook though, but mwsf will probably answer that question
but if the last ten years is any indicator, i can see apple milking the g4 chip in the powerbook beyond 2 ghz and well into the summer of 2005 and using the g4 chip for the ibook into 2006
maybe a major g4 powerbook speed jump this mwsf 2005 and a minor bump a few months later before the g5 powerbook...and minor g4 ibook jumps all the way through next year and a little into 2006
i don't think it's in apple's best interest to bring out the g5 powerbook in january...there's still life in the g4 for the powerbook and plenty of people, including me, would be happy to have a g4 powerbook...the g5 tower is very nice, but so are the current lines of powerbooks
i predict the g5 chip will go to g6 faster than g4 went to g5 though
~Shard~ said:
apple has actually recently had more problems with rev b or rev c releases like the mid period g3 icebook and the the 15 inch alubook
as for software, rev a stuff does scare me
I seriously considered getting one of these new iBooks, but after a lot of thought on the subject, I've decided to wait for them to come pre-installed with Tiger.
It's not that the current iBooks are not good enough, hey I'm used to a 700MHz G4 iMac so it would have been a great speed-lift.
What made me decide is that I'm going to buy Tiger no matter what. It seems to me it has a lot of features that would be nice to have, and I'm tired of Apples way of treating those with the previous OS-version. So if I sell my iMac now and buy an iBook, I will have to buy Tiger when it comes out. This means I can wait for Tiger to come out, sell my iMac for up to $130(?) less, and I still won't loose any money on it. This will provide me with an even better iBook (hopefully), but I hope the price won't go up again with the next revision..
It's not that the current iBooks are not good enough, hey I'm used to a 700MHz G4 iMac so it would have been a great speed-lift.
What made me decide is that I'm going to buy Tiger no matter what. It seems to me it has a lot of features that would be nice to have, and I'm tired of Apples way of treating those with the previous OS-version. So if I sell my iMac now and buy an iBook, I will have to buy Tiger when it comes out. This means I can wait for Tiger to come out, sell my iMac for up to $130(?) less, and I still won't loose any money on it. This will provide me with an even better iBook (hopefully), but I hope the price won't go up again with the next revision..
Poff said:
You're totally right, it doesn't seem fair that people who buy a new Mac with Panther between now and next spring/summer will have to pay full whack for Tiger when it is released. I think we ought to get a discount if Tiger comes out within, say, 6 months of buying a new Mac, about 50% off would seem fair to me. What makes it even more annoying is that they often include "software upgrade vouchers" in the box, which as far as I can tell never get used and are not worth anything when upgrading.
jefhatfield said:apple has actually recently had more problems with rev b or rev c releases like the mid period g3 icebook and the the 15 inch alubook
as for software, rev a stuff does scare me
I wasn't aware of that - interesting, I would have thought the opposite, but now that I think of it, you're definitely right in some cases, most recently with the 15" PowerBooks...
welcooooome good1mike!
brilliant you made the switch!
a stunning choice, but beware of one thing though...
be prepared to fall in love with mac and your ibook.
very cool
dobbin said:Welcome good1mike!
Here are some words of wisdom:
"If a cage with a tiger is marked an elephant, don't believe your eyes."
Koz'ma Prutkov (a nom-de-plume for four 19th Century Russian writers)
I have also ordered a 12" iBook - I was ready to buy a PB but decided the iBook (after the update) was better value and would do everything I need it to. I can't wait for it to arrive now, but its not even due to ship until Friday
brilliant you made the switch!
a stunning choice, but beware of one thing though...
be prepared to fall in love with mac and your ibook.
very cool
dobbin said:
That 's the way Apple did it with when moving from Jaguar to Panther. I, like many others only had to pay like $20-25 for the upgrade. Of course I bought my 12" Pbook at the end of Sept. 2003 and Panther was released at the end of October.
~Shard~ said:
The white spot problem on the Powerbooks was primarily with the Rev A Al 15" powerbooks, I should know as I had one (which was replaced with a new Powerbook)! The bluetooth module also died and had to be replaced on mine. The battery recall issue also was a Rev A 15" AL powerbook problem. perhaps people think that this was a Rev B product as they were released about 6 months after the 12" and 17" AL Powerbooks.
James Craner said:
Right, thanks for the input - not being an owner of one myself it's easy for me to not pay much attention to these issues, whereas someone as yourself, who was directly affected by them, will definitely not forget the little details!
panda said:brilliant you made the switch!
a stunning choice, but beware of one thing though...
be prepared to fall in love with mac and your ibook.
very cool
Cheers, but actually I'm not a switcher. I used to have a cube but sold it 3 weeks ago to get a laptop instead. Before the cube I had a Performa 6200 and before that I used Classics at school and my Dad's IISi at home. So I have a long and happy relationship with Macs
At work I have always had to use PCs, so I am fairly familiar with the dark side as well. I know enough about both to know that I'll use a Mac where I have a choice.
Mac Dummy said:
Oh, I beg your pardon, I didn't realise that. That sounds like a fair deal.
All I know is that I bought my cube which came with OS 9, and then paid full price for OS X 10.0 very soon after, and then paid full price for 10.1 as well.
I'm hoping I don't get stung like that again, as buying an OS upgrade adds around 10% to a consumer level Mac. I won't hold my breath though, and if it turns out to June before Tiger is released then I guess I can't complain as that will be >6 months since I bought my iBook.
Wow... I'm not really so sure what to think now. I had ordered (should be getting it tomorrow) a new iBook with 14" screen, 512ram and the SD but it all seems like a waste. Is Tiger really a huge upgrade? (excuse my ignorance I haven't followed the Mac OS scene and the whole concept of getting OS revisions more often than every 5 years is new to me... damn Windows...) Like am I going to be missing a lot with Tiger? Is it going to be worth the upgrade or should I just not even bother?
This is my first mac and I'm not sure if I'm happy about it now or not... perhaps a low-end PB would have been better?
This is my first mac and I'm not sure if I'm happy about it now or not... perhaps a low-end PB would have been better?
Don't worry about it. I was going to buy a Powerbook but changed mt mind and bought an iBook after the last revision when they became clearly better value than the PBs.
Tiger will be a big upgrade, but your iBook will run it fine. Unless you are doing serious heavy duty processing your iBook will be more than capable. Maybe some of the Tiger eye candy won't be displayed but you probably won't even realise its not there.
As for the cost of the upgrade, lets hope we will be offered an upgrade price rather than paying full retail cost. fingers crossed.
Tiger will be a big upgrade, but your iBook will run it fine. Unless you are doing serious heavy duty processing your iBook will be more than capable. Maybe some of the Tiger eye candy won't be displayed but you probably won't even realise its not there.
As for the cost of the upgrade, lets hope we will be offered an upgrade price rather than paying full retail cost. fingers crossed.