New iMac G4

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  1. reddrag0n macrumors 6502

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    Just picked up a new in box (yes, hard to believe) iMac G4 with all discs and box, but when i installed os 9, the graphics driver is only saying 16 MB in system profiler. Now i did a custom install, and selected the Nvidia driver, but i don't think it's working.
    The iMac is the 17" 800MHz model M6498

    I thought out there in the web, there was an updated driver for the Nvidia cards for os 9?

    Also, the A1048 Apple extended keyboard came with it, and the volume/cd eject keys are not working. I looked into the HID Library extension to see if it was enabled and it is.
     
  2. eyoungren macrumors P6

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    Are you fully updated in OS X?

    I think a lot of the features of the keyboard are dependent on OS X.

    OS9 was still around when the iMac G4s were released of course, but Apple's focus was on OS X and anything new to drive those things would have been OS X centric.
     
  3. mikiotty macrumors 6502

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    In my experience I could never get those keys to work in OS 9, no matter what keyboard I used...
     
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    Hey, I just took my black M7803 keyboard out and booted into OS 9.2.2 (MDD 2002) to try a few minutes ago. The volume and eject keys worked fine there. I have no idea what might cause the problem.
     
  5. Gamer9430 macrumors 68020

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    There probably isn't support for those keys in OS 9. Next time, start a new thread to get help faster.
     
  6. weckart macrumors 68040

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    There is an eject extension for OS9 in the Apple Extras folder on retail installation CDs. You need to install the extension then assign the extension to the eject key for it to work.
     
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    I was reporting to the OP that those keys worked...
     
  8. reddrag0n thread starter macrumors 6502

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    No OS X, just 9. OS 9 runs faster than 10.4.11 did and that was with 1 GB ram and a 7200 drive. It was sluggish, even more than my powerbook G4 Ti.

    weckart: yeah, i found that. it does work, but i like having it on my keyboard better.

    As for the Nvidia question, i take it there are no answers?
     
  9. Gamer9430 macrumors 68020

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    Oh I must have read your post wrong, my apologies.
     
  10. reddrag0n thread starter macrumors 6502

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    the keyboard i have is this one. the A1048
    [​IMG]

    the M7803 like you describe is this one.
    [​IMG]

    I even tried the Aluminum 2007 model and still, no volume keys.
    [​IMG]

    My keyboard has no volume keys, cd eject key, nor the escape key doesn't work either.
    If i had the generation previous, or even the keyboard that came with the G3 imacs, that would work.

    And still, where can i find the Nvidia 2.1.1 drivers? i found a few places, but they seem to be 0kb in size.
     
  11. bunnspecial macrumors 603

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    I use the M7803 on most of my NWR Macs that boot into OS 9(and the M2452 on the rest of them-primarily where space is at a premium), and have found that I have no trouble getting the volume and eject keys to work in OS 9 or even 8.5.5 for that matter.

    I'm not sure if I've ever used an A1048 with OS 9. To be honest, they're not one of my favorite keyboards. I don't like the USB port placement in combination with the short cords on Apple mice, nor do I like the way they collect dirt. I have them on both of my G5s, but think these are the only computers to which I have one connected currently I'll try one when I get the chance and report back.

    In the mean time, you might try pressing F12 to open the CD tray. Dragging the CD to the trash is probably the easiest way to open it for removal under OS 9.
     
  12. reddrag0n thread starter macrumors 6502

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    I have pressed F12, i just keep getting that function key dialog.
    if i toy with that, then it doesn't work at all. Yeah, i drag most of the stuff to the trash and that works. I just like having everything on my keyboard working like it should.
    From what i have read, the min sys req for the A1048 is 10.2
    I would like the Bondi keyboards, but i don't know if i can live without the arrow keys. I like the power button idea, and i know that there was an aftermarket mod to make the later keyboards have the same feature.

    And i found the driver for the nvidia card. version 3.0
     
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    Hey that's okay. I just wanted to clarify. ;)

    I think your keyboard was mismatched. Because the OS 9 bootable 800 MHz iMac G4 was discontinued in Feb 2003 while the A1048 keyboard was introduced in May 2003.

    Your iMac should have come with the white M7803 like this: http://www.vectronicsappleworld.com/archives/vintage/0035.php

    From images on everymac.com, it seems the first iMac shipped with A1048 was the X-only iMac G4.
     
  14. bunnspecial macrumors 603

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    That sounds about right. It was introduced in May 2003, when 10.2 was current and Apple was making very few computers still able to boot into OS 9(I think only the MDD2003 and a subset of eMac models remained, along with the TiBook and iBook G3).

    The M2452 does have arrow keys-they're just "squashed" under the shift key like on a laptop keyboard. They are missing F13-15, end, forward delete, the volume keys, and the eject key(F12 works even under OS 9 with these) as compared with other Apple keyboards. They also lack the second control and alt keys on the right side of the keyboard.
     
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    I can't remember if those keys worked in OS 9. I know the volume/eject buttons on my TiBook in OS 9. The PowerMac G3 keyboard / iMac G3 keyboard does not have those keys.

    The earlier PowerMac G4 models with the black Apple Pro Keyboard do have the volume/eject keys. These machines did run OS 9.

    I want to say I'm 99% positive I used PowerMac G4's in OS 9 with the keyboard volume and eject keys. It was released in 2000, while OS 9 was still being sold. OS X came out in 2001 but didn't catch on for a little while as it is.
    [​IMG]

    There was also a white version of this for the earlier iMac G4's and eMacs.
    [​IMG]

    It's essentially the same as the next generation mode, but the software/firmware could be different.
    [​IMG]
     
  16. for this macrumors regular

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    There are many complaints about A1048 eject and volume keys not working in OS 9 unlike the older model (M7803). So it's probably true.
     
  17. bunnspecial macrumors 603

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    We can't have you posting German keyboards as examples :)

    Here's the US layout of both the M7803 and the M2452. The M2452 is a recently acquired example in lime green.

    I bought three of the M2452s from a forum member here last week, but honestly I don't know why I bought them(other than the one specific lime green one I wanted). I've picked up so many of those things from surplus that I find them stashed everywhere. I was cleaning the "winter stuff" out of the trunk of my car the other day and found two of them lurking in the back. With the exception of the lime green one, all the others I have are Bondi Blue.
     

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  18. reddrag0n thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Either that or i will just bust out my ADB keyboard and hook it up to the imate and then all my keys will work. No volume or eject keys, but at least i will have an escape key. Maybe then i can escape out of quake without killing the system.
     
  19. bunnspecial macrumors 603

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    I use an iMate and Extended II with my main Quicksilver. I haven't booted that computer into OS 9 in a while(I'm not sure if it would even boot with the video card I have installed), but do know that F12 works for eject in OS X.
     
  20. A.Goldberg macrumors 68000

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    Ugh my apologies. Or should I say entschuldigung... or is it entschuldige?
    I forget which one which for is for saying "excuse me" aka "sorry" (versus excuse me I need to pass by you or excuse me I need your attention). Or as we would say in Hebrew, לך תזדיין - transliterated to lekh ti'zedayen. Wait, you might want to double check that translation before you say it to an old woman or some macho guy who speak Hebrew ;) :p :D. You know I'm just messing with you! <333

    Who posts pictures of their german keyboards on the internet anyways. Thanks Wikipedia.

    Hoarding gene. I'm not sure why else you would collect those terrible keyboards. By far one of the worst products ever produced. I used those for much of my elementary school education and I could never get used to them.

    I'd consider that a nightmare. I'd be happy if I never saw one of those again. In 3rd or 4th grade I had an argument with the computer teacher because we would have typing tests with keyboard skins to cover up the letters. I argued no one in the real world would ever use such small and obscure keyboards :rolleyes:

    Boy was I right hahah

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    Back on topic: A new inbox iMac G4? What a find! It's hard to believe such things still exist! Was it sealed?
     
  21. weckart, May 5, 2015
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    Drop the function (the grey icon, not the control strip) into your Apple Extras folder in your Applications folder. Open up the Functions dialogue and select the F12 key (the eject key is not shown in OS9). Navigate to your Eject function in your Apple Extras folder and that is all you need to do. Each time you press F12 your optical drive should open and close respectively. Works on my iMac G4 800Mhz with an A1048 Apple Pro Keyboard.

    Verzeihung = Sorry, Entschuldigung, Entschuldigen Sie = Excuse Me.
     
  22. reddrag0n thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Not sealed, but everything was still in the box. The original skirt, the original styrofoam, even 2 boxes of dvd-r discs from Apple. The original system software and hardware disk. Looks nice on my desk, and even though it has no L3, it's faster than my 867 G4 TiBook.
    I will get a few pics of it and the box later.
     
  23. A.Goldberg macrumors 68000

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    Danke. It's been a while since I've studied German... By study I mean memoize some phrases for the roughly 65 hours of my life I've ever spent in Germany.
     

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