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I came across this video which gels pretty well with what I expect for the forthcoming new big iMac, Mac Pro and the forthcoming MacBooks. Suffice to say some around here will likely be pissed.


Succinctly (most likely):
- 28-29.5 in. display
- M1X with 12, 16 and 32 cores
- Chin and light coloured bezels
- No ”Pro” model
- Similar price structure as the current 27in.
 
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Succinctly (most likely):
- 28-29.5 in. display
- M1X with 12, 16 and 32 cores
- Chin and light coloured bezels
- No ”Pro” model
- Similar price structure as the current 27in.

Well, like most Max Tech videos, this comes over as plausible, reasoned speculation wrapped in clickbait. It all makes perfect sense and I wouldn't bet against any of it. The trouble with "reliable inside sources" is that anybody breaching NDAs or commercial confidentiality is, by definition, not reliable (we're not talking whistleblowing to protect the public and expose wrongdoing here...)

Personally, I was far more interested in the hint of a $3000 Mac (not iMac) Pro, which would end my interest in getting another iMac.

- 28-29.5 in. display

Makes sense - the iMac doesn't need to get any bigger overall and 28" would almost fit in the current size, with half-size bezels. 29.5 wound need to be bigger, but you'd only notice if you put it side-by-side with a 27".

- M1X with 12, 16 and 32 cores

I think that was GPU cores. No talk of CPU cores, but presumably we're looking at at least 8 performance cores... No talk as to whether these are going to be on-die or on-package. As for "only one" processor choice ("M1X") - if that covers everything from 12 to 32 GPU cores and maybe several choices of CPU core permutations, that's getting into "what's in a name" territory. I can believe that the current 8-core vs. 7-core GPU option comes down to binning but 12 vs. 32 core is starting to sound like "deliberately disabling half the cores to create artificial scarcity" and will infuriate everybody but the shareholders...

- Chin and light coloured bezels
Well, apart from speculating that Apple could decide to split their range into consumer (up to iMac 24" with the iMac 24"/rumoured new Macbook Air "Hello Kitty"* design language) and pro ranges (14/16" MBP, 30" iMac, Mac Pro with "steampunk" design language) following the 24" iMac Design seems more likely than not.

...in that case, the chin is needed, because that's where the computer is, and with M1 tech the hottest thing in the computer will probably be the display.

If they're going to "scale" the thickness, maybe it'll be thick enough to fit in a proper ethernet connector and maybe even do away with the silly power brick (Sorry, folks, but in the last 25 years of using twisted-pair ethernet, everybody has solved the issue of running a patch cable to the desktop - having it plug into the power brick only sounds like a good idea if your ethernet wall socket is right by the power socket and that power socket is within range of the fixed-length, proprietary, magnetic power cord. Otherwise it's going to be a right pain in the neck).

(* Meow.... :) )

White bezels are just wrong - they could reflect the colours of surrounding objects and lighting which could affect your perception of colours on the screen - but I won't call them a deal breaker until I make the effort of hanging a black/grey curtain behind my desk (don't hold your breath).

Aesthetically, my problem has always been not so much the white bezels but the combination of this with the coloured chin... but frankly the only colour option I'd choose would be the silver (maybe we can hope for a space grey option on the higher-end Macs), so who cares.

- No ”Pro” model
Irrelevant - a 16 CPU core, 32 GPU core M1X is going to be batting in the iMac Pro league whether or not it says "Pro" on the box. The distinguishing features of the iMac Pro were:

(a) Xeon vs. Core i - not relevant in an Apple Silicon world as long as the M1X delivers enough cores and I/O lanes (which everybody expect to be an improvement over the M1) to do the job.
(b) Improved cooling design - again, M1X should solve the cooling problem across the range.
(c) Higher end GPUs - over to Apple to show what the 32-core Apple Silicon GPU can do.
(d) ECC memory - about the only thing left that could distinguish an ASi iMac Pro from a regular ASi iMac. I suspect the intersection between customers who run long computing jobs that need the stability of ECC and the people who want that in a large-screen all-in-one is fairly small. Anyway, the "cost" of ECC support was partly an artificial Intel Xeon thing.

- Similar price structure as the current 27in.

Which, let's not forget, starts at $1800 and ends at an eye-watering $8600 - or, at least, around $4000 if you just max out the CPU, GPU and stick with a "modest" 32GB RAM, 1TB SSD config. There's a lot of expensive BTO options for CPU and GPU hiding behind the three headline prices.

Or is the video is suggesting that Apple will prune these down to (say) $1800, $2000 and $2300 models - covering all the available CPU/GPU options - with only extra RAM and storage as BTO options? Which would be roughly consistent with the 24" range.
 
I suspect the entry level big iMac to have four ports like the upper tier 24in. But given the redesigned MacBook Pros are supposed to regain additional ports it’s possible the big iMac could get those as well.
I'm not sure. I can't see any technical justification for leaving the two extra USB 3 ports (and the extra cooling fan) off the entry-level 24" - the marginal cost saving must be negligible once you factor in the logistics of having two different types of case and mainboard. So it's all about creating an attractive "starts at" price and then upselling as many people as possible, and I don't see why the same principle shouldn't be applied to the (lets call it the 30") version. Some people will just want the bigger screen for media consumption or WP/graphics and won't care about ports. It wouldn't be the first time that the lowest-price 27" iMac had a slightly "knobbled" feel about it (5200rpm spinning rust, etc.)

OTOH, I do wonder if the higher-end 24" iMacs were meant to have M1X chips that could support 4 full TB3 ports - which would be a better justification for the extra fans and extra holes in the case. We'll never know, but I'm inclined to go with the "cynical marketing" theory.

Frankly, if they can fit 2 x USB4/TB3 + 2 x USB3/C on the 24" they ought to be able to fit 2 x USB4/TB3 + 4 x USB3/C on a 30" version - so the same number of physical ports as the Intel 27" with the advantage that the 2 USB4/TB3 ports now each have dedicated controllers (so twice the bandwidth - which can be better utilized now that USB4 hubs are a thing).

Not so worried about legacy ports on a desktop where you're not having to cart dongles around - and you're less likely to want to plug a 30" iMac into a HDMI data projector or your living room TV), but, still, a couple of separate DisplayPort (1.4 or 2.0 to support 5/6k) ports would avoid the silliness of having display and I/O compete for the same holes in the case.

When the new MBPs arrive it should give us more of a clue as to what the M1X supports in terms of Thunderbolt ports, number of external displays etc. and whether those "leaked" schematics which (rather bizarrely) showed 3 x USB C, HDMI and what looked like plain old MagSafe 2 mean anything.
 
30" iMac at 5520x3280 pixels
4 Thunderbolt/USB C, SD Card slot
Headphone port
M1X Processor
Up to 32GB of Memory
Up to 4TB of SSD Storage
Same design language as the 24"
 
The M1X with 32GB unified memory and a not outrageous price for the configuration sounds very much like what I could go for. While I could accept silver I would prefer the green or yellow if colours are offered on the “30in.” iMac.

So hopefully in the first half of 2022.
 
32”
M1x / M2
Addition of same screen enhancements as the last Intel 27” iMac had as option.
Bigger chin
Color scheme same as 24” but adds black and all grey as new colors
Tracking wide angle camera from latest iPad Pro.
Stupid expensive and handicapped by RAM/HDD choices in base configurations forcing you to order BTO.
 
The M1X with 32GB unified memory and a not outrageous price for the configuration sounds very much like what I could go for. While I could accept silver I would prefer the green or yellow if colours are offered on the “30in.” iMac.

The devil is in the "up to 32GB of unified memory" bit. (...and while the 32GB bit is debatable, the "up to" bit is a near certainty). The current 5k iMac range all start at 8GB with Apple's usual 200% mark-up for upgrades (particularly blatant on the 5k iMac which takes bog standard DDR4 SODIMMs). Of course, that's currently just a "ignorance/bureaucracy tax" when anybody allowed to make their own decision can get an easy-to-fit upgrade from Crucial or someone for a fraction of Apple's prices - but that option will almost certainly be going away with Apple Silicon.

If I had to guess, I'd say that the 30" iMac will come with 16GB as standard, with 32GB as an (expensive) BTO upgrade on the higher-spec model, because (a) that would be consistent with the current 16" MBP and (b) even the minimum-spec Intel 5k comes with a 4GB GPU, so making a M1X package with comparable GPU and then only putting 8GB to serve both CPU and GPU on it would be nonsensical. On the other hand, I don't see Apple giving up that lovely almost-pure-profit from RAM upgrades, and moving to 32GB as standard seems over-generous. Also, we don't know what the package is going to look like - the M1 only has space for 2 LPDDR4 chips (which I think, currently limits it to 2 x 8GB), so going over 16GB might depend on brand new, super-high density LPDDR chips that are expensive.

Of course, some people will still need 64GB or more (and/or ECC) - I eagerly await to see what Apple will do with the Mac Pro in that respect, because I don't see the LPDDR-on-package model scaling that far.
 
Color scheme same as 24” but adds black and all grey as new colors
My guess would be black/"Space Grey 2022", silver, and maybe one or two of whatever the biggest-selling 24" iMac colours are.

...because these will be selling in smaller quantities than the iMac 24", possibly with a wider range of BTO options, and seven colour choices leads to an insane number of permutations and a logistics nightmare: you could end up only selling tiny numbers of some colour/spec permutations.

...personally, I don't want to be forced to buy an orange Mac because that's the only one they have in stock with that configuration. Black/silver goes with everything.

Stupid expensive and handicapped by RAM/HDD choices in base configurations forcing you to order BTO.
Well, yeah, otherwise it would be "Who are you and what have you done with the real Tim Cook"...

Of course, BTO is good for Apple - cuts out the middleman, cuts down the logistics of keeping stores stocked and they don't care if you treat Apple stores as showrooms. Sucks for people who can't buy direct from Apple, for whatever reason, though.
 
That 30" non-mini LED display for $1200 paired with a Mac mini might be a good option. Especially if you already have one or if you're not into the white bezels, and a chin.

Although I suspect the iMac with more powerful M1X, webcam, speakers, keyboard and mouse will probably be a better value.
 
Although I suspect the iMac with more powerful M1X, webcam, speakers, keyboard and mouse will probably be a better value.
The 5k iMac has always been the best overall value Mac if the 27" 5k screen is exactly what you want (and, to be fair, it's still one of the nicest displays available).

The big attraction of the Mini seems to be the opportunity of going for a different display configuration (I'm tempted towards either 2x 24" or one huge/ultrawide display).

Going for a Mini + an Apple display has always seemed more debatable - the iMac will usually give you the same display panel plus an equal/better computer for less, so it comes down to whether you think the display technology will still be current when you come to replace the computer. It's not like the M1 Minis are, now, any more upgradeable than the iMac. Also, Apple displays have always been totally inflexible when it comes to interfaces - one USB-C or TB input when comparable third party displays offer multiple DIsplayPort and HDMI inputs - which can limit their life after the computer.

I think I'll stick with my Intel iMac until the full range of 5k imac-replacement, Mac Pro and/or higher-end Mac Mini is available to choose from.
 
The 5k iMac has always been the best overall value Mac if the 27" 5k screen is exactly what you want (and, to be fair, it's still one of the nicest displays available).

The big attraction of the Mini seems to be the opportunity of going for a different display configuration (I'm tempted towards either 2x 24" or one huge/ultrawide display).

Going for a Mini + an Apple display has always seemed more debatable - the iMac will usually give you the same display panel plus an equal/better computer for less, so it comes down to whether you think the display technology will still be current when you come to replace the computer. It's not like the M1 Minis are, now, any more upgradeable than the iMac. Also, Apple displays have always been totally inflexible when it comes to interfaces - one USB-C or TB input when comparable third party displays offer multiple DIsplayPort and HDMI inputs - which can limit their life after the computer.

I think I'll stick with my Intel iMac until the full range of 5k imac-replacement, Mac Pro and/or higher-end Mac Mini is available to choose from.

With respect to my comment on value, it was specifically referring to Mac mini + Apple display versus the 30" iMac.

Third party displays is a different story. Yes, they're more flexible with greater ports. However, sadly there's literally one 5K display that has a comparable PPI resolution to the 27" iMac.
 
The 5k iMac has always been the best overall value Mac if the 27" 5k screen is exactly what you want (and, to be fair, it's still one of the nicest displays available).

The big attraction of the Mini seems to be the opportunity of going for a different display configuration (I'm tempted towards either 2x 24" or one huge/ultrawide display).

Going for a Mini + an Apple display has always seemed more debatable - the iMac will usually give you the same display panel plus an equal/better computer for less, so it comes down to whether you think the display technology will still be current when you come to replace the computer. It's not like the M1 Minis are, now, any more upgradeable than the iMac. Also, Apple displays have always been totally inflexible when it comes to interfaces - one USB-C or TB input when comparable third party displays offer multiple DIsplayPort and HDMI inputs - which can limit their life after the computer.

I think I'll stick with my Intel iMac until the full range of 5k imac-replacement, Mac Pro and/or higher-end Mac Mini is available to choose from.

Had a moment of despair and considering a Mac Mini and a less good display to replace an aging iMac.
Sure tempting to get maybe 2 nice displays to it.
But then I cleaned out the iMac and figuring I could get along with it for less demanding tasks for some more time, and use it for the big screen demanding tasks only.

I rather wait for the more powerful iMac's. The small iMac had never even felt like an option.
Wonder what Apple was thinking not even putting a logo on that machine. I don't like it, never an option at all.

If they are starting to release M2 portable's now, it will be interesting what specs the bigger iMacs will have.
Patience usually pays off 😉
 
I don’t buy the rumor that the Pro would have the colors and white bezels. It simply doesn’t match the approach of iPhone and iPad or say iMac Pro. Two shades of grey with black bezels. Maybe Navy Blue 👀
 
The 5k display is what keeps me on 27” iMac. It is simply the best display I have ever used. I love everything about it - size, resolution, DPI.

I tried a mini with my other displays I use with Linux/Windows boxes. LG 2560x1080 21:9 25”, LG 3840x2160 16:10 24” and Acer Predator X34P 21:9 34” curved 3440x1440P. All displays had sleep/wake issues and Apple support acknowledged this inviting me to return the mini for refund as they had no solution. Aside from this I could not live with the 110PPI having got used to highDPI.

I had a look at the iMac 24” and found the display just too much of a compromise from the 27”. I decided I would rather pay a premium to have a replacement of the 27” than compromise to a 24” or a mini with third party display (and all the hassles that brought me at least).

I hope for a 27” replacement with >=5K, ideally more CPU/GPU cores in tweaked M1, 16GB fine for me though option for 32GB would be nice. Connectivity of 24“ would be enough - as long as there is at least one TB4 I can connect to an external hub if needed then I am happy enough!

Fingers crossed …
 
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It’s quite possible Apple might not offer colour options for the big iMac, but I really believe the light coloured bezels are a done deal, fervent wishful thinking otherwise by some notwithstanding.
 
It’s quite possible Apple might not offer colour options for the big iMac, but I really believe the light coloured bezels are a done deal, fervent wishful thinking otherwise by some notwithstanding.
If they let me have 27" blue one I will be pleased as punch.
 
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It’s quite possible Apple might not offer colour options for the big iMac, but I really believe the light coloured bezels are a done deal, fervent wishful thinking otherwise by some notwithstanding.

I agree. The bezels will remain white.

While it won’t be an iMac ‘Pro’ machine, I could see Apple market it as such (or at least as a prosumer).
Ιf they do so, I could see black and silver offered as the only two colour options.
 
Third party displays is a different story. Yes, they're more flexible with greater ports. However, sadly there's literally one 5K display that has a comparable PPI resolution to the 27" iMac.
Yes, you can count the number of alternative 5120x2880 displays on the fingers of a boxing glove, but that doesn't mean that there aren't other decent monitors around - especially if a single ~27" screen doesn't meet your needs. The difference in sharpness between 4k and 5k is visible, but not that big a deal if you're buying displays to use rather than do endless A/B comparisons.

That's probably why 5k hasn't taken off - extra cost, more complicated interfacing and rapidly diminishing returns once you get over ~ 150ppi at arm's length. It's just a sweet spot for MacOS but that is largely solved in an Apple Silicon world where even the Mini has a half-decent GPU and can use scaled mode.

As I said, the iMac is probably a no brainer if you must have a 27" 5k display (or 30" 5.5k display in the future) and don't care about connecting other devices.
 
A "large-screen" iMac with a 30"+/- display is more likely to be 6k than 5k...
 
In the OP video there is mention regarding the bigger the display the greater the cost. So I agree with the assessment that a new iMac with a display bigger than 30in. is not very likely if the goal is to keep the price consumer friendly and similar to the current 27in. iMac.

Somewhat tangental to this conversation in another thread regarding regarding the forthcoming redesigned MacBook Air slated for the first half of 2022. Despite the evidence to the likelihood of the form the new Air will take quite a few dissenters are still harping on about possible colours and white bezels—same as here discussing the big iMac.

The 24in., along with the previously released iPad Pros and iPad Air, are strong indicators of the direction of Apple’s design language. Constant chirping about not wanting Apple to go further in that direction WILL CHANGE NOTHING.

The 24in. tells us with 99 percent certainty what the big iMac, and redesigned MacBooks Air and Pro, will look like. They are refreshing the designs in form and appearance. The constant wishful thinking for things that have zero indication of happening and nonstop bitching over what will likely be is tiresome to say the least.
 
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