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Storage soldered in, with zero internal expansion will tend to drive users to purchase those upgrades internally up front. Apple's upgrade pricing is known to have incredibly high margins in comparison to the lower skews.

And why NOT add an HDMI port to the side? or a single USB-A? these are also purely business choices Apple has made for whatever reason. And yes. Dongle sales are a big part of it.

Best Buy in 2019 announced that their #1 accessories sales accross their company was Apple related dongles.

But there's no option to add an SD port like there is to upgrade SSD and RAM, so . . . apples and oranges. Again, dongles aren't proprietary, so I don't think this is some sort of major income source for Apple Inc. Yes, Apple makes dongles, but so do tons of other companies. As for space, like I mentioned, the ethernet port IS included but on the power brick . . . so if there is just oodles of space behind that chin for these ports, why didn't it go there?

I'm sure lots of things go into these decisions that we're not privy to, and my guess it's not as simple as "we just didn't feel like it" or "we can make a little extra money on dongles." Using that logic, why include a dedicated audio jack? Make people buy the dongle instead.

I WILL say that I'm scratching my head on that audio jack location for an iMac.
 
And what business advantage would there be there? It can't be dongle sales, because third parties already make those. And using this argument (there's plenty of space), why stop with SD slots? Why not add in some USB-A too? HDMI? Why did they have to move the ethernet port to the power brick if there's "no shortage of physical space in the new iMac"?

Also the ethernet port being moved to the power port is a symptom of the thinness. 11mm is too thin to put a one piece ethernet port. And Apple has not opted to use one of the hinged ones in any of their devices.

And it's still a desktop computer, which generally has an Ethernet as a requirement even today. So they did what a few other companies have done and put it on the power brick. Google did similar with their chromecast devices and it's a decent compromise considering how infrequently most users unplug either power or their ethernet from their machines
 
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Well I like the form factor I am dissapointed by what is inside and the lack of SD card slot. I use SD cards all the time it is probably the most used port on my conputers. If I buy this machine I have to get one of those dangly card readers hanging from a USB-C port (How un-Apple, Apple was always about keeping things looking neat).

There are no performance differences between this machine and the Mac-Mini and you can't even order more Ram (Why?). It looks to me as though Apple rushed the M1 out of the door, the architecture has huge potential but they are not ready yet for pro-machines. So I wonder if they are sand-bagging to keep sales of Intel machines going. I have an office full of 27" iMacs from 2011 and I am sitting waiting to upgrade them all. As it happens M1 27" iMacs would be fine for my office but we cannot buy 24" as the ERP system we use demands huge screens. I had contemplated going MacMini but buying third party screens always puts me off because they all see so low res compared to Apple iMac screens.
 
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But there's no option to add an SD port like there is to upgrade SSD and RAM, so . . . apples and oranges. Again, dongles aren't proprietary, so I don't think this is some sort of major income source for Apple Inc. Yes, Apple makes dongles, but so do tons of other companies. As for space, like I mentioned, the ethernet port IS included but on the power brick . . . so if there is just oodles of space behind that chin for these ports, why didn't it go there?

I'm sure lots of things go into these decisions that we're not privy to, and my guess it's not as simple as "we just didn't feel like it" or "we can make a little extra money on dongles." Using that logic, why include a dedicated audio jack? Make people buy the dongle instead.

I WILL say that I'm scratching my head on that audio jack location for an iMac.

There's more. and unfortunately I don't really feel like giving ytou a complete business 101 course and rundown on how removal of choice and options are used in modern day business to steer other product sales that typically have higher margins to them.

The locked down, complete soldered devices with resctrive ports is absolutely a decision made first to drive other business unit sales. Especially in the situation where devices have the technical and physical capability of having it.

Listen, i'm not saying that this iMAC should have USB-A or SD Card. I was merely contending that the decision to not have them in this device is a business decision. not technical.

One of the things a lot of users, especially of the laptops were doing was buying the lowest storage tier they could (Because of the cost of the upgrades) and buying a small SD card to add expandible storage for their files. Without SD Card built in, if they want to expand but still keep the "internal" self contained footprint, they have no choice now but to purchase the upgraded larger storage model.
With the limited SKu's, that means someone who is opting to buy the lowest model at $1600 will now need to buy the $2099 sku just to get the internal 512 storage. They might not need or want the faster CPU, but will be forced to pay for the $400 upgrade for 256gb of storage. Especfially when modern NVME storage can easily be found for 1-2tb at that price point
 
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Any engineering reason why the ‘chin’ is there at all? Is it a place for the logic board away from the display?
 
Any engineering reason why the ‘chin’ is there at all? Is it a place for the logic board and speakers to be away from the display?
 
Could be for those who enjoy staying stuck in the past. No doubt some are still jonesing for a Centronix port.
They may not actually be "jonesing" for it. It may be that they have to support a particular piece of equipment for which there is no other option. Just because Apple, or any computer manufacturer, leaps forward doesn't mean that all of the peripheral and equipment manufacturers move with them at the same pace. It's inappropriate to denigrate someone just because they're stuck in the unenviable position of having to use and support a piece of equipment that the "cool kids" have decided needs to just go away and die, already.
 
Any engineering reason why the ‘chin’ is there at all? Is it a place for the logic board and speakers to be away from the display?
Yes. And the screen is like what? 16 by 10? The iMac is like 4 by 3. It’s also an aesthetic thing.
 
And what business advantage would there be there? It can't be dongle sales, because third parties already make those. And using this argument (there's plenty of space), why stop with SD slots? Why not add in some USB-A too? HDMI? Why did they have to move the ethernet port to the power brick if there's "no shortage of physical space in the new iMac"?
Plenty of people will buy their dongles and cables from the Apple Store (online or physical) whether they're Apple-made or third party.

Apple maybe save a buck by not having to include a SD card reader. Doesn't affect the retail price which is only loosely correlated with the bill-of-materials (unless you think that the total cost + standard margin of a completely re-designed iMac just happened to come out, to the cent, the same as the old 21.5"). Apple sells a lot of Macs. The bucks add up.

...maybe the iMac Pro/5k replacement will have extra ports. Some people for whom the 24" would have done the job will buy the more expensive machine...

Going beyond just the SD slot, the $1300 model is pretty blatantly artificially "knobbled" by the exclusion of the 2 extra USB ports and Ethernet to justify the price point. A couple of extra USB ports and Ethernet are not luxury items and there's no other justification for excluding them from a $1300 computer. The cost of the extra logistics involved in having two physically different models probably exceeds the BOM savings of removing the ports - but strategically it gives Apple the advantage of advertising a "from $1299" headline price while (hopefully) up-selling a large number of customers to the $1500 or $1700 model.

Without Intel's i3/i5/i7/i9 choices, clock speed options, GPU/VRAM choices I suspect that Apple is reaching a bit for ways of justifying different price points for essentially the same M1 machines...
 
They may not actually be "jonesing" for it. It may be that they have to support a particular piece of equipment for which there is no other option. Just because Apple, or any computer manufacturer, leaps forward doesn't mean that all of the peripheral and equipment manufacturers move with them at the same pace. It's inappropriate to denigrate someone just because they're stuck in the unenviable position of having to use and support a piece of equipment that the "cool kids" have decided needs to just go away and die, already.

Apple designs for the masses, not the outliers with special requirements. Those who have special requirements can purchase the appropriate cable or adapter. Easy and inexpensive. My USB-C cables cost around $7 four years ago. They are even cheaper now.

If a USB-C cable is too expensive for the outliers, the good news is there are many other computer manufacturers with legacy ports that outliers can reward with their currency.
 
Going beyond just the SD slot, the $1300 model is pretty blatantly artificially "knobbled" by the exclusion of the 2 extra USB ports and Ethernet to justify the price point. A couple of extra USB ports and Ethernet are not luxury items and there's no other justification for excluding them from a $1300 computer. The cost of the extra logistics involved in having two physically different models probably exceeds the BOM savings of removing the ports - but strategically it gives Apple the advantage of advertising a "from $1299" headline price while (hopefully) up-selling a large number of customers to the $1500 or $1700 model.

This is very clearly intentional and not technical from waht I can tell (unless Apple is lying about complete SOC)

if the USB / Thunderbolt chipset is integrated in the SoC and they're using a single SoC design accross the entire M1 lineup, than it makes absolutely zero difference between the Sku's. removing the USB ports would absolutely again, be a business decision and not technical in nature.


The only thing I can thin of is that Apple is taking the lower binned chips and hobbling them to use in the lowest model. Similar to what Intel does with a lot of their lineup. Single die, but lower quality chips that don't test well get cores disabled and sold as a lower sku.
 
Folks seem to be forgetting that every iMac prior to 2007 had a white bezel.

Another way to look at that...

14 years ago we moved on to a better and more functional bezel color

Just because we did something in the past does not mean it was great
 
I need a new Mac for work. I don’t need a laptop at this time, and my finances have taken a hit over the last year. For me it is between a Mac Mini and iMac. I like everything about this iMac: the Ethernet port, the headphone jack on the side, the thinness of it all. But I really, really, really hate the colors and the white bezel around the screen. Also, without a bump in specs, the Mac Mini is looking more attractive at this point. I can essentially but the mini and a 4K monitor for less than the iMac. And I like iMacs! I like the all-in-one nature of them. But the lack of a more professional color is a real dealbreaker for pros who don‘t need top-of-the-line machines. Seems like a needless missed opportunity, IMO.
What does a professional color look like? Is it the absence of color?

They have one that has the same color as the previous model. It’s the grey natural anodised aluminium one. I don’t understand why everybody is yapping about those colors when you have the choice. It’s not like they are forcing you to get the yellow one or something.

I have looked into the Mac Mini M1 myself in anticipation of the new iMac but I was unable to find a monitor that didn’t look like a piece of plastic. There was the LG Ultrafine series but they are no longer available and they started at $799. Add the cost of the Mac Mini, an Apple keyboard and mouse and a 1080p camera (that sticks out like a sore thumb) and that puts you way over the price point of an all-in-one iMac with the same specs. So I decided to wait. Glad I did.
 
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If there were a logo on the chin and black bezels, I imagine the number of complaints about the design would be cut by ~60-70%.
Indeed, makes you wonder why people have been craving for a new design, they should have just kept the old design and slapped an M1 it 😂
 
Folks seem to be forgetting that every iMac prior to 2007 had a white bezel. I absolutely love the return to white bezels and colored chassis. It really brings the classic iMac look in a modern design, and for me evokes the brightness and fun that got totally lost in the black-and-aluminum era. (Kinda agree on the missing Apple logo on the bezel, though.)
Not a fan of the new look. but I definitely feel like this 24" new iMAC is a throwback to the old coloured CRT based devices that Apple sold really well to home users and first time buyers.

it looks like a modern take on the front of the old devices like this, including keeping the chin
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the colours and white borders make me feel like this is the spirit they are trying to rekindle with these devices.

I like the colours. I just have so many other little things that I think they could have done to truly innovate on the iMac space.
 
As usual, Apple takes a few minor changes and makes them seem like such a big deal. The M1? It is more about saving Apple money then offering any real improvement to the customer. When a computer company's invovations come down to basically offering their product in more colors, you know the true innovation wheel has just about stopped turning.
Indeed, all the professional reviews are wrong, you are right, this M1 is terrible, it all went downhill after the 486!
 
I wonder if Apple is giving up on schools with these computers. They’re expensive and lack some things that schools would really want. And really, who is the argent audience with these? Kids? Most of them want laptops, and Mac sells the MacBook Air for less. I have been advising some high school graduates to consider iPads if all they want to do is write papers and research on their computers. These new iMacs are just a world of odd design choices, IMO. It seems that in trying to make a general purpose all-in-one they’ve managed to design something that will only fit a small number of general user needs. It will be interesting to see what the more “high end” iMacs bring in the future.
Some of that space has been taken by Chromebooks. They're cheaper. Updates are a fifteen second reboot. But without Google Cloud Print now, printer support is an ugly time-sucking support issue.
 
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