New Installs of Adelie Linux rc2 and Below are Now BROKEN

[ifrit05]

Just spent a majority of the day trying to install Adelie Linux rc2 on my PMG5 with "UNTRUSTED signature" errors. Finally consulted the IRC channel and they confirmed after I submitted a log that something broke due to them updating the APK keys and that new system installs are now BROKEN on rc2 and below install media and will fail.

They did say they will release rc3 within a couple of weeks, so be on the lookout for that.

This has been your public service announcement for the day. <3

 

[PC mcLinMorph]

Thank you!

Been waiting for rc3 since their previous public service announcement on May 24... ("..RC3 will be officially announced in the coming weeks. This means in-place upgrades for our existing users, and new installation media for new users.."

Sincerely hope they will "fix" the installation script in this version!

This guide helps to go around all the installation "problems" though:

p.s: Why can't their "use whole disk"-option work like in all other great distributions, meaning that it will take care of the partitioning no matter whats on the disk before? And also do any mounting of boot, etc, etc.

People wih more experience can always use the manual way, for a "fun" way to spend the day together with an 18 year old machine

Cheers!

 

[ww2_1943]

p.s: Why can't their "use whole disk"-option work like in all other great distributions, meaning that it will take care of the partitioning no matter whats on the disk before? And also do any mounting of boot, etc, etc.

People wih more experience can always use the manual way, for a "fun" way to spend the day together with an 18 year old machine

Cheers!

That would be great! That is what I mess up when I try to install Linux.

 

[ifrit05]

This guide helps to go around all the installation "problems" though:

That video still uses the Horizen-ui installer, it will still fail if you try to install with that OR manual command line.

 

[PC mcLinMorph]

That would be great! That is what I mess up when I try to install Linux.

I have a *strong* feeling that we are NOT alone in this... (and that "problem" exists in 90% of the distros that exits. i'd estimate. I suppose the "geeks"/developers cannot imagine a person not knowing a simple task as how to partition a mac-disk for Linux use. And then i haven't even talked about making the graphics work

 

[PC mcLinMorph]

That video still uses the Horizen-ui installer, it will still fail if you try to install with that OR manual command line.

Yes, i know. I should have been more clear in my answer! After they fix those "APK keys" though, the video-guide will work fine.

Hint to Adelie developers: Some packages in the opton "normal install" is not there, so one have to choose the option "text-install" and add everything later

 

[ifrit05]

Yes, i know. I should have been more clear in my answer! After they fix those "APK keys" though, the video-guide will work fine.

Hint to Adelie developers: Some packages in the opton "normal install" is not there, so one have to choose the option "text-install" and add everything later

It is a relatively new distro based on Alpine with PPC/PPC64 and x86/x86_64 support. Give the small group of devs the time to work some of the kinks out. I can see this blossoming into something really great for our machines. First distro I used that worked with my Radeon cards out of the box so there's that. Not to mention the usage of GRUB, a much more modern and robust bootloader than Yaboot.

 

[Dronecatcher]

First distro I used that worked with my Radeon cards out of the box so there's that.

Also the only distro to work 100% with the touchpad in the DLSD Powerbooks.

 

[PC mcLinMorph]

Agreed, the touchpad is very smooth in Adelie!

I installed Debian 11 the other day ( http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/snapshots/2022-03-28/debian-11.0.0-powerpc-NETINST-1.iso ), and to my surprice, it actually had the keyboard backlight 100% working for the first time with the help of pbbuttonsd (separately downloaded and manually installed pbbuttonsd_0.8.1a-2_powerpc.deb somewhere). but the apps i wanted, abiword for example i could not find

 

[PowerPCFan]

Thank you!

Been waiting for rc3 since their previous public service announcement on May 24... ("..RC3 will be officially announced in the coming weeks. This means in-place upgrades for our existing users, and new installation media for new users.."

Sincerely hope they will "fix" the installation script in this version!

This guide helps to go around all the installation "problems" though:

p.s: Why can't their "use whole disk"-option work like in all other great distributions, meaning that it will take care of the partitioning no matter whats on the disk before? And also do any mounting of boot, etc, etc.

People wih more experience can always use the manual way, for a "fun" way to spend the day together with an 18 year old machine

Cheers!

I'm a big PPC fan, as you can tell from my name. I tried installing this a few months back, but it didn't work. Then I realized you can't install on removable media. (I tried installing on a FW 400 drive) But I used that tutorial from Action Retro. He's my favorite YouTuber, I'm a big fan. But it is too bad you have to go through all of that stressful sda1, sda2, sda3, etc stuff. It would be nice if you could use an install script instead of trying to navigate yourself through a mess of Linux Terminal commands. I'm waiting for RC3 to come out, so then I can try installing again.

Happy Thanksgiving,
-PowerPCFan

 

[Dronecatcher]

Then I realized you can't install on removable media.

I ran it off a USB stick:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/what-have-you-done-with-a-powerpc-today.2233788/page-87?post=30761798#post-30761798

 

[ifrit05]

It would be nice if you could use an install script instead of trying to navigate yourself through a mess of Linux Terminal commands.

Hmmm... Interesting idea... Might tackle this, I'm no stranger to shell scripting. Could be as simple as a wget/curl download from a cloud service to get our Power Macs up and running.

 

[PowerPCFan]

I ran it off a USB stick:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/what-have-you-done-with-a-powerpc-today.2233788/page-87?post=30761798#post-30761798

I'll have to try again.

 

[MacMaverick855]

So what I’m hearing here, is I’m wasting my time trying to load Adelie 1.0-RC2 onto my G5. But I’m so close. Just having trouble getting the boot loader to install.

 

[PowerPCFan]

So what I’m hearing here, is I’m wasting my time trying to load Adelie 1.0-RC2 onto my G5. But I’m so close. Just having trouble getting the boot loader to install.

Not necessarily, people have done it before on ppc. Try replacing your pram (clock) battery. That helped my PMG4 get closer to finishing.

 

[MacMaverick855]

I’ve actually had it installed on this machine twice, the first time i used the Retro Action video process and it worked. Then, the APK keys changed and my attempt to reinstall it failed until I found (was actually pointed to) a web archive site containing straight forward manual installation steps not involving horizon-up.

This process worked but because I did a couple of post install things before logging in to the GUI, I screwed it up.

I have been struggling ever since at the GRUB2 boot loader step. I keep getting an error about /boot/grub/grub being a directory so grub-install fails.

My biggest hang up is trying to figure out if I need an Apple_Bootstrap partition AND a ext2 boot partition for grub. The GRUB2 instructions make it sound like the boot loader needs to go into the Apple_Bootstrap partition, so what’s the ext2 partiton for?

Thanks for the reply, if successful, I’ll post my process here and in other Forums

MacMaverick855

 

[MacMaverick855]

@ifrit05 , using a combination of instructions and your guidance I have successfully installed Adelie 1.0-RC2 onto my ppc64 Mac G5. Well, it’s installed I just can’t log in. I get to the login screen, enter my password under my user name, hit enter and it returns to the login screen. I’m pretty sure the OS is installed correctly, I just can’t log in. I can and do get to any tty and can login as root but I’m not sure what to do from there. I even created another user/password but that log in doesn’t work either.

What critical step did I miss this time?

Thanks for your excellent instructions and sending me to the appropriate sites to get this distro onto this machine. If the installed system is anything like the “live” version, it will rock!!!

Have just started researching the latest issue but wanted you (and anyone else) that this CAN be done and has the post entail to breathe new life into old NewWorld Macs!!!

MacMaverick855

 

[PowerPCFan]

Last time I tried using the horizon ui video following the process in the Action Retro video @PC mcLinMorph linked above, I got some package error (That was a year ago, so i don't remember what error)

Has anybody else that tried running Horizon got this same package install error??

 

[MacMaverick855]

If you are interested in installing Adelie 1.0-rc2 there are links above to manually install the distro. I actually had it installed using the video guidance but it had some issues. I’ve got it reinstalled but in text only. Sddm wasn’t working so I’m trying to research login and desktop manager installs that will work.

 

[PowerPCFan]

If you are interested in installing Adelie 1.0-rc2 there are links above to manually install the distro. I actually had it installed using the video guidance but it had some issues. I’ve got it reinstalled but in text only. Sddm wasn’t working so I’m trying to research login and desktop manager installs that will work.

Where are the links above? Can’t find them

 

[MacMaverick855]

https://forums.macrumors.com/members/powerpcfan.1305336/

https://git.adelielinux.org/-/snippets/12 for Manual Installation instructions
https://git.adelielinux.org/-/snippets/130 for a little more detail but the auto installer does not work for a G5. This is more for trying to follow the manual steps.

At the point of the manual installation where you are to start dealing the APK keys and repositories, do this instead:

mkdir -p /target/etc/apk
curl -o /target/keys.apk https://distfiles.adelielinux.org/adelie/keys-20221101/ppc64/adelie-keys-1.0-r2.apk
tar -xf /target/keys.apk && rm -r /target/keys.apk
apk --root /target --initdb add
echo -e "https://next.adelielinux.org/system\nhttps://next.adelielinux.org/user" >> /target/etc/apk/repositories
apk --root /target update

(The above is from @ifrit05 )

In the manual instructions is a link to install GRUB2. There are actually PowerPC instructions!!!

The formatting for the installation has to be like this:

1) 1st partition must be an Apple Partition Map
2) 2nd partition must be an Apple_Bootstrap, labeled boot, 100MB with hfs file system
3) 3rd partiton must be 100MB partiton labeled boot as well ext2 file system
4) 4th partiton is where the root partition will go so it needs to be about 10GB (I think) ext4 file system

If done correctly, you’ll reboot to an Adelie text installation. Whatever root password you established during the install will work.

Two, things. Watch the Retro Action video on installing Adelie on a powerpc…but don’t try it, the horizon-ui doesn’t work for ppc macs. At the end of the video he gives instructions on installing plasma desktop and sddm. Also a command to make your keyboard and mouse work.

The other thing is, I have not been able to boot into the system past the login screen. When I enter my username’s password, the sddm screen blacks out and then returns, no errors, no failed login, but no access to the operating system. I don’t know why and haven’t found the answer…yet.

Once I get this accomplished I will put together installation instructions that hopefully won’t have too many gaps and actually works!!!

Hope this helped,

MacMaverick855

 

[MacMaverick855]

Well, the saga continues. I have tried every method possible, 4 different web sites with instructions on how to install Adelie, whether following a video on YouTube (doesn’t work anymore) to auto installing (almost worked) to guidance from this forum, and those listed in previous posts and have been unsuccessfu. I’m pretty sure the distro gets installed but somewhere between being able to navigate the Live Plasma version and installing the Plasma version, something breaks down. Some kernel different than the live version, gets loaded, some version of sddm gets loaded different from the live version. IF you try to use the repository on the dvd, you get UNTRUSTED SIGNATURE issues. Using guidance to get around this issue results in files being installed that cause the installed version to be just different enough that booting into it results in a login loop at the sddm screen, established user names/passwords don’t work. It seems strange that an iso exists that allows running a live desktop flawlessly, doesn’t have the files (or repositories) necessary to install the system.

Don’t get me wrong, the guidance and references provided to me by @ifrit05 and others has been invaluable. I wouldn’t have gotten to a bootable system with out it. But that’s as far as it goes. I have bombarded the Adelie IRC chat with numerous questions, had some help, but am still without a “modern operating system on a 20 year old Mac” to paraphrase Action Retro, whose video actually guided me to an Operating version of Adelie until a key changed or a repository link changed or something. The only reason I wiped the hard drive was because there were some issues and, like a dummy I thought I could reinstall it and address the issues. Now the issue is, I can’t install it at all.
….yet.

MacMav855

 

[PowerPCFan]

A few years back I got it installed fine, but when that hard drive I put it on died, it didn't work when I tried installing on the new drive. I got an untrusted signature error. When I replaced my clock battery the untrusted signature error went away! Then I got some sort of missing packages error. Haven't been able to install ever since that hard drive died. That's probably when the installation problems started to happen.


Also please check out my poll in the MR Community:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/do-you-use-reading-list.2377504/

And @MacMaverick855 I like your username

 

[vwbug200713]

Just spent a majority of the day trying to install Adelie Linux rc2 on my PMG5 with "UNTRUSTED signature" errors. Finally consulted the IRC channel and they confirmed after I submitted a log that something broke due to them updating the APK keys and that new system installs are now BROKEN on rc2 and below install media and will fail.

They did say they will release rc3 within a couple of weeks, so be on the lookout for that.

This has been your public service announcement for the day. <3

i know samething i couldnt ....it look like the sources.list is outdated and still point to https://distflies.adelielinux.org/............. gets a 404 error so only workaround is edit source list to point to a working adelie site .....

 

[vwbug200713]

i know samething i couldnt ....it look like the sources.list is outdated and still point to https://distflies.adelielinux.org/............. gets a 404 error so only workaround is edit source list to point to a working adelie site .....

i see the problem is network is not enabled! gez