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New Installs of Adelie Linux rc2 and Below are Now BROKEN

vwbug200713 said:
i see the problem is network is not enabled! gez
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I am still in the process of using the manual installation guidance mentioned in some of the above posts. If you go to tty2 or 3 or other you can enter dhcpcd eth0 and (hopefully) establish an internet connection. This is a hardwire, not wireless, connection. Unfortunately establishing this connection doesn’t always carry over to the horizon-ui installer which isn’t supposed to work unless you are root and came at it from the tty. There are comments on the Adelie for PowerPC forum on how to try to update repositories for rc2.

I have been trying to change the /etc/apk/repositories file in the live desktop as well as a file mentioned in an install error log I was reading. At one time I had accessed /etc/horizon/installfiles and saw how the installer script was written. I went away from it and haven’t been able to access or find it since. I was hoping I could get back to it for a closer review and potentially edit it in such a way it would look in the correct install files and ensure they are being loaded on the right partition etc etc.

I have gotten an install to occur but as mentioned many times before, sddm login screen appears but, after entering the password for the account, returns to the login screen.

Yes RC3 is supposed to be released soon, but unless it can be released at 700MB or less, I’m hosed as my G5 will not boot from a usb, powered or otherwise. I may have to go but some dvd-r disks if I can ind them.

@PowerPCFan , I like your handle too!!!
 
MacMaverick855 said:
I am still in the process of using the manual installation guidance mentioned in some of the above posts. If you go to tty2 or 3 or other you can enter dhcpcd eth0 and (hopefully) establish an internet connection. This is a hardwire, not wireless, connection. Unfortunately establishing this connection doesn’t always carry over to the horizon-ui installer which isn’t supposed to work unless you are root and came at it from the tty. There are comments on the Adelie for PowerPC forum on how to try to update repositories for rc2.

I have been trying to change the /etc/apk/repositories file in the live desktop as well as a file mentioned in an install error log I was reading. At one time I had accessed /etc/horizon/installfiles and saw how the installer script was written. I went away from it and haven’t been able to access or find it since. I was hoping I could get back to it for a closer review and potentially edit it in such a way it would look in the correct install files and ensure they are being loaded on the right partition etc etc.

I have gotten an install to occur but as mentioned many times before, sddm login screen appears but, after entering the password for the account, returns to the login screen.

Yes RC3 is supposed to be released soon, but unless it can be released at 700MB or less, I’m hosed as my G5 will not boot from a usb, powered or otherwise. I may have to go but some dvd-r disks if I can ind them.

@PowerPCFan , I like your handle too!!!
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my g5 has ide dvd-dl dvd drive install it can read up to 8gb!
 
PC mcLinMorph said:
Yes, i know. I should have been more clear in my answer! After they fix those "APK keys" though, the video-guide will work fine.

Hint to Adelie developers: Some packages in the opton "normal install" is not there, so one have to choose the option "text-install" and add everything later
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huh you says text-install i tried that no such file im trying to install text methood as gui cant be done due to missing r128 driver(its still there)
 
Well, I did it. Adelie 1.0-RC2 is installed and “working” on my ppc64, 2.0 GHz G5 with 4GB RAM, Radeon 9600 GPU driving a DVI monitor. I overcame the sddm login loop by making sure to use useradd when chrooted to the Target volume and prior to installing the boot loader. The colors are a funky purple/blue tint, the sound doesn’t work and I was able to use a hardwire Ethernet method to use NetSurf to get to the apple.com website and others. I haven’t tried to set up wireless.

After performing the installation, I ran apk add KDE to get apps installed.

I installed PulseAudio, apk couldn’t find alsamix to install it. The Audio section under the Hardware tab only shows a Dummy device. No other sound output devices are listed. More research needed to get this resolved.

I tried to run two monitors, including an Apple Cinema Display, that failed miserably. The DVI monitor was barely usable and the ACD was black.

Some of the settings I tried to modify didn’t stick. I also tried to add another User from the System settings but it wouldn’t let me. In fact, my username didn’t even show up in the list of users.

Many, many thanks to @ActionRetro, @ifrit05, @wicknix and some of the gang at the Adelie IRC.

I think I might reboot into the Live CD/usb to see if I can review some of the files and settings used, as the Live system worked well and looked great. I may even try to copy some files from the Live distro to see if I can paste them into the HD where the Adelie system resides.

If I get these issues resolved, I will put together MY method of installing the distro and make the document available to anyone who might try this. It will be a combination of all the methods I used with the nuances I found during the process.

Thanks again everyone!!! It was definitely a team effort!
MacMaverick855
 
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MacMaverick855 said:
Well, I did it. Adelie 1.0-RC2 is installed and “working” on my ppc64, 2.0 GHz G5 with 4GB RAM, Radeon 9600 GPU driving a DVI monitor. I overcame the sddm login loop by making sure to use useradd when chrooted to the Target volume and prior to installing the boot loader. The colors are a funky purple/blue tint, the sound doesn’t work and I was able to use a hardwire Ethernet method to use NetSurf to get to the apple.com website and others. I haven’t tried to set up wireless.

After performing the installation, I ran apk add KDE to get apps installed.

I installed PulseAudio, apk couldn’t find alsamix to install it. The Audio section under the Hardware tab only shows a Dummy device. No other sound output devices are listed. More research needed to get this resolved.

I tried to run two monitors, including an Apple Cinema Display, that failed miserably. The DVI monitor was barely usable and the ACD was black.

Some of the settings I tried to modify didn’t stick. I also tried to add another User from the System settings but it wouldn’t let me. In fact, my username didn’t even show up in the list of users.

Many, many thanks to @ActionRetro, @ifrit05, @wicknix and some of the gang at the Adelie IRC.

I think I might reboot into the Live CD/usb to see if I can review some of the files and settings used, as the Live system worked well and looked great. I may even try to copy some files from the Live distro to see if I can paste them into the HD where the Adelie system resides.

If I get these issues resolved, I will put together MY method of installing the distro and make the document available to anyone who might try this. It will be a combination of all the methods I used with the nuances I found during the process.

Thanks again everyone!!! It was definitely a team effort!
MacMaverick855
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your had a 9400 video card which works but those who have geoforce 2 mx or 4 mx its tough nutz get startx working i bought a fx5200 and adelie boots to gui perfectly hmmmmm guy on you tube did install on g4 lapshade imac that has geoforce 2 mx fine ...his distro version is rc2
 
MacMaverick855 said:
Well, I did it. Adelie 1.0-RC2 is installed and “working” on my ppc64, 2.0 GHz G5 with 4GB RAM, Radeon 9600 GPU driving a DVI monitor. I overcame the sddm login loop by making sure to use useradd when chrooted to the Target volume and prior to installing the boot loader. The colors are a funky purple/blue tint, the sound doesn’t work and I was able to use a hardwire Ethernet method to use NetSurf to get to the apple.com website and others. I haven’t tried to set up wireless.

After performing the installation, I ran apk add KDE to get apps installed.

I installed PulseAudio, apk couldn’t find alsamix to install it. The Audio section under the Hardware tab only shows a Dummy device. No other sound output devices are listed. More research needed to get this resolved.

I tried to run two monitors, including an Apple Cinema Display, that failed miserably. The DVI monitor was barely usable and the ACD was black.

Some of the settings I tried to modify didn’t stick. I also tried to add another User from the System settings but it wouldn’t let me. In fact, my username didn’t even show up in the list of users.

Many, many thanks to @ActionRetro, @ifrit05, @wicknix and some of the gang at the Adelie IRC.

I think I might reboot into the Live CD/usb to see if I can review some of the files and settings used, as the Live system worked well and looked great. I may even try to copy some files from the Live distro to see if I can paste them into the HD where the Adelie system resides.

If I get these issues resolved, I will put together MY method of installing the distro and make the document available to anyone who might try this. It will be a combination of all the methods I used with the nuances I found during the process.

Thanks again everyone!!! It was definitely a team effort!
MacMaverick855
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how did you get around the broken mirror site for installs?
 
vwbug200713 said:
i see the problem is network is not enabled! gez
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MacMaverick855 said:

https://git.adelielinux.org/-/snippets/12 for Manual Installation instructions
https://git.adelielinux.org/-/snippets/130 for a little more detail but the auto installer does not work for a G5. This is more for trying to follow the manual steps.

At the point of the manual installation where you are to start dealing the APK keys and repositories, do this instead:

mkdir -p /target/etc/apk
curl -o /target/keys.apk https://distfiles.adelielinux.org/adelie/keys-20221101/ppc64/adelie-keys-1.0-r2.apk
tar -xf /target/keys.apk && rm -r /target/keys.apk
apk --root /target --initdb add
echo -e "https://next.adelielinux.org/system\nhttps://next.adelielinux.org/user" >> /target/etc/apk/repositories
apk --root /target update

(The above is from @ifrit05 )

In the manual instructions is a link to install GRUB2. There are actually PowerPC instructions!!!

The formatting for the installation has to be like this:

1) 1st partition must be an Apple Partition Map
2) 2nd partition must be an Apple_Bootstrap, labeled boot, 100MB with hfs file system
3) 3rd partiton must be 100MB partiton labeled boot as well ext2 file system
4) 4th partiton is where the root partition will go so it needs to be about 10GB (I think) ext4 file system

If done correctly, you’ll reboot to an Adelie text installation. Whatever root password you established during the install will work.

Two, things. Watch the Retro Action video on installing Adelie on a powerpc…but don’t try it, the horizon-ui doesn’t work for ppc macs. At the end of the video he gives instructions on installing plasma desktop and sddm. Also a command to make your keyboard and mouse work.

The other thing is, I have not been able to boot into the system past the login screen. When I enter my username’s password, the sddm screen blacks out and then returns, no errors, no failed login, but no access to the operating system. I don’t know why and haven’t found the answer…yet.

Once I get this accomplished I will put together installation instructions that hopefully won’t have too many gaps and actually works!!!

Hope this helped,

MacMaverick855
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This is the process I used to install Adelie. There are still issues with sound and video color but it did install.
 
vwbug200713 said:
duh-.... i tried tar -xf /target/keys.apk and i gt an error saying unreonized archive ....
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The way I did it was to successfully log into a live desktop. I was told launching the computer from a server iso would work just as well, but didn’t try it. The key is to get to an environment where you can get to tty2 tty3 etc. by holding down control-alt/option-2 or 3 , just get to the command line. It can’t be done running a terminal app in the live desktop. Your error message is scary in that there’s no way to know if Adelie managers are messing with archive keys or addresses.

Not sure what to think about that error. If the curl -o step before it worked, the next step is just an assignment/replacement of the /target/keys.apk. Check your entries for any typos. These commands are very particular about what you enter.

Hope this helped.

Mav
 
vwbug200713 said:
i see the problem is network is not enabled! gez
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I hate to do this, but, I was chatting on the Adelie IRC today and, for all intents and purposes, RC2 is no longer supported. Their words. However, the administrator of the site indicated that if the //next.Adelie Linux.org repository is used (which is what @ifrit05 instructions do) you are installing whatever iteration of RC3 exists there. This will be an untested and raw version of RC3 with little or no vetting of the packages. By this I mean, very little testing.

So, what we have ( and are trying) to install is more RC3 than RC2. I discovered that the LIVE desktop environment runs on older kernels, older versions of Qt than what gets loaded during the manual installation process. I think this may be the cause of the myriad of problems I am having with color, sound and the ability to create users, mount CDs and external USB drives, etc.

Part of me wants to wait for the announcement of the RC3 release and reinstall it, the other part of me wants to try to install just what’s available via the old repositories (//distfiles.Adelie Linux.org). It would be interesting to see if NOT using the //next.Adelie Linux.org would result in a more usable system.

I think this could be done if “—allow-untrusted” is used during the part of the install where the repositories are addressed. I need to research it more.

But as I said, RC2 is no longer supported and the administrators of Adelie are preoccupied with getting RC3 out so my bothering them over the past few weeks has probably not helped.

The installation should work, whether the system works to your expectations is for you to decide. I can’t leave well enough alone, so I may mess around with the installation process to see if I can “force the installation” of older kernels to see if I can get the installed system to run like the live system.

We’ll see,
MacMaverick855
 
Just thought I'd drop a line from my G5 running Adelie 1.0-RC2 before I wipe the hard drive and start over. I launched MacRumors using Firefox after downloading it from somewhere, not sure what version it is. Doesn't matter right now.

I will be installing Adelie 1.0-RC2 using instructions I have developed over the past few weeks. Lessons learned from the multiple failures. And tons of info from the gang here at MacRumors!!!

See ya on the flipside!
MavMav855
 
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Yaaaaa, No. So my attempt(s) to get an installed version of Adelie 1.0-RC2 to look like it does in the LIVE Plasma session have failed. I can only get to a black screen with a black and white mouse pointer. TTY session work fine. The big news is the change from a blue mouse pointer to a black and white one. The blue cursor always indicated that the session was going to be a purple pink colored desktop. If I could get to the login screen I’m betting the installed desktop would present just like the LIVE session. I just can’t get there…yet.

I’ve tried all of the Radeon boot modifications, video=ofonly, video=offb:eek:ff, etc etc but nothing works. I (quickly) reviewed the /var/log/X.0.log of both the LIVE and installed sessions and they “appear” to be the same. I will have to look at them side by side to see if there is any real difference.

For the latest installs I do not use the https://next.Adelie Linux.org files, they install a kernel my G5 won’t boot.
I manually installed xf86-video-amdgpu and atigpu as it looked like the manual install didn’t put the drivers in /user/share/X11/xorg.conf.d, I also installed linux-firmware, which the GUI installer asked for when it worked.

I’m guessing I’ll do a face palm once I find the issue, which will be broadcast across the nation (ok the internet) so others can install Adelie.

I’m not hopeful that RC3 will be the beat all to end all, at least not for my G5.

The question still remains: what is so different that the live desktop boots to a beautiful KDE Plasma desktop with the sddm login manager but the installed version crashes and burns?

“…not happy unless I’m going Mach3 with my hair on fire!”
MacMaverick855
 
After a thorough review of the /var/log/Xorg.0.log files for both the LIVE and my installed systems, I’ve come to the conclusion that the directory /user/lib/xorg/modules/drivers on my installed system is extremely anemic.

While reviewing the installed log file I found that, “Failed to load fbdev, file not found” was a significant difference in the two systems. Oddly, the LIVE session loaded and then promptly unloaded the fbdev driver and went to fbdevhw driver. This system boots to a black screen with a black and white mouse pointer.

Both sessions had issues with an authorization file for sddm but the live system bypasses sddm unless you log out and log back in as live. I haven’t arrived at an sddm screen yet on the installed system.

Back to the “anemic” comment. The /user/lib/xorg/modules/drivers on the LIVE session contains all sorts of drivers including: amdgpu,ati,fbdev,modesetting, and radeon_drv.so (s). My installed session only contains the amdgpu,ati,modesetting and radeon drivers. NO fbdev, NO sisusb, and many many more. I think the LIVE file contains a total of 20 drivers.

Simply stated, I’m pretty sure I need to get the fbdev_drv.so file installed on my system. I’ll need to research this. I would love to just copy the file from the live session onto the installed system. I CAN see and access the hard drive containing the installed system when booted into the LIVE session. I’m just not sure if the “cp” command will. Copy a file from a LIVE session to an installed system hard drive.

So that’s the latest. I really believe once I solve the fbdev driver issue I’ll be able to “see” my installed system.

Sorry, one more thing: Xorg does not get loaded onto the installed system until sddm is installed. While watching sddm install, you’ll see x server and xorg files being installed. As carefully as I could watch the earlier part of the installation process, I never see X anything being installed. That seemed strange to me, but no where in any manual installation instructions is there a mention of additional installation requirements. If I hadn’t watched the Action Retro video, I would have never known I needed to install a desktop environment, a login manager, and the most important step, loading xf86-input-libinput so you can use your keyboard when you boot to the installed system. I firmly believe that the only reason the ati and amdgpu drivers are installed on my system is because I took action to install xf86-video-ati and xf86-video-amdgpu.

More later,

MacMaverick855
 
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So, fbdev wasn’t the answer. It appears that my version of sddm, KDE don’t play well with X11, or Xorg. When the live system boots, /var/log/sddm.log shows information indicating xsession/plasma.desktop is being used to get to the GUI. The installed version makes no reference to even attempting to access xsession. More research is needed but my question still stands: why have an installation process that doesn’t install everything needed to at least boot to a GUI?

Grrrrrrrr!
MM855
 
Yet. Another update. After reviewing the /var/log/Xorg.0.log files for both the installed and LIVE Adelie systems I discovered that the LIVE version has access to xfree86 which accesses the GPU. The installed version does not do this. Eventually the installed version says that the /dev/dri/card0 cannot be accessed whereas the LIVE version uses the xfree86 to access and identify /dev/dri/card0 as the GPU/display.

I continue to try to draw comparisons between the LIVE system and the installed version. I’m focusing on the X11 aspect of the two systems. For some reason, the X11 system on the installed version is different enough that it can’t use the GPU, where as the LIVE version boots to a crisp clean beautiful desktop.

Apparently the live system goes through some sort of process to identify the GPU in such a way that it knows what needs to be loaded and accessed. The installed version can’t or doesn’t access the drivers or config files needed to boot to a desktop or sddm.

I’ll continue to check forums, the IRC chat site is not very responsive, I think they are getting tired of all my questions, and Dr. Google to troubleshoot this. Any suggestions would be helpful.

MacMaverick855
 
I reinstalled Adelie 1.0-RC2 using sysvinit instead of s6-linux-init. It booted to the exact same thing, black screen with black and white movable mouse cursor. I reviewed /var/log/Xorg.0.log and the xfree86 issue was resolved. There were, however, no errors throughout the log except for the “failure to authorize /var/run/sddm{###} Resource unavailable.” At first I thought this was a big deal except the LIVE version boots to a desktop in spite of this error. I need to see if there is an alternative to sddm for KDE. I may try to install that to see if I can get to a desktop.

MM855
 
I'm pretty sure some sort of new version for PPC came out, has anyone had luck installing it yet?? I might try again on my G4, because my late '05 PMG5 is fast enough to run Sorbet Leopard and it runs nicely, but the G4 is slow!!
 
I'd like to be able and just boot a USB and click install, I'm really bad in the Linux command line.
 
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