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wesleyh

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Well, some of you thought that the imac was going to get the core2quad S series processors (65w) - Now the new core i5/i7 is revealed as to consume less power (at idle) - Could this be used for the next imac?

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-core-i5,2410-13.html

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The reduced platform power consumption of the Core i5 and Core i7 CPUs is immediately apparent, even at idle. Both Lynnfield-based designs dip in around 20W underneath the Core 2 Quad Q9550S, which we’ve been using up until this point to replicate the performance of a standard Q9550. The ‘S’ model has a 65W TDP though, so the fact that Core i7-870 and Core i5-750 suck up less juice at idle is impressive. So too is the idle consumption of AMD’s Phenom II X4 965 BE, which also ducks in under the Core 2 Quad.

Fire up the Small FFT test in Prime95, add a FurMark Burn-In test, and the power usage jumps through the roof. Here’s where Intel’s low-power Q9550S shines, turning in the best results. But the two Lynnfields continue to impress with the second and third lowest power consumption figures. AMD’s Phenom II X4 965 comes in fourth, followed by the Core 2 Extreme, and trailed by the 130W Bloomfield-based Core i7-920.

It can be difficult to take thermal design power specs and give them real-world meaning. However, when you do the math, these load numbers make good sense. The TDP of Intel’s low-power Core 2 Quad is 30W below Lynnfield’s spec. Subtract out a power-hungry northbridge and you’re looking at the gap we see here in practice. Add 22W to the X58’s power budget and then take Bloomfield’s 130W ceiling into account; it’s no wonder Core i7-920 sits at the other end of the spectrum.
 
Aren't those 95W? How about heat? With thicker iMac, yes but I can't see them in current iMacs, unfortunately. They may consume less when idle but when under 100% iMac would smelt. Would be amazing though
 
A possibility for the high-end 24", but I'll be surprised if they can squeeze them into the smaller model.
 
If the desktop models can be this efficient, we can only expect mobile versions to be more efficient right? If that's the case, we should expect Apple to only make the iMacs thinner.
 
we can only expect mobile versions to be more efficient right? If that's the case, we should expect Apple to only make the iMacs thinner.

Yup. Arrandale tops out at 35W and that includes CPU, IGP and memory controller, so no need for Northbridge chip used in current Macs. Current iMacs have 44W CPU + ~10W Northbridge chip and '08 model had 55W CPU + Northbridge.
 
If the desktop models can be this efficient, we can only expect mobile versions to be more efficient right? If that's the case, we should expect Apple to only make the iMacs thinner.

Why is everyone obsessed with Apple making every Mac thinner? I for one would like a damn desktop processor in the iMac (what a concept). Otherwise, we're never going to go over two cores (and Arrandale's hyper-threading doesn't count).

Personally, I think Apple should really reconsider what the iMac's main purpose is. The days of the living room desktop PC are over, and Apple's desktop sales show that.
 
Why is everyone obsessed with Apple making every Mac thinner? I for one would like a damn desktop processor in the iMac (what a concept).

Apple has done iMac thinner over the years, that's why. I'd love to have iMac with desktop CPU and GPU but it seems like Apple likes it thinner

Otherwise, we're never going to go over two cores (and Arrandale's hyper-threading doesn't count).

In near future yes, but in future no. Clarksfield will go 32nm in mid 2010 so that may be used or Sandy Bridge in late 2010 - 2011

Personally, I think Apple should really reconsider what the iMac's main purpose is. The days of the living room desktop PC are over, and Apple's desktop sales show that.

I agree. Currently Apple offers overpriced AIO desktop with laptop parts and full size tower with server grade, extreme fast Xeons. "xMac" would be awesome but I doubt we will see one...

Thicker and better cooled iMac = desktop parts = our dream iMac
 
Thicker and better cooled iMac = desktop parts = our dream iMac

Yeah. I'm just bitter. The iMac is my favorite Mac, and it's sort of been stuck in this Core 2 Duo rut since 2006. This is the longest we've been without a substantial processor change in the iMac since the G3 processor.

It's time to give it an overhaul.

Chart courtesy of wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imac.
 

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I just don't get why it's not possible to use desktop cpu's in a system that's 24 inches wide (more with the border) compared to a 15 inch laptop.

It is possible, Apple just have a cetain view about things that doesn't always make sense to everyone else. These new processors are not more suitable than the "S" quads though.
 
It is possible, Apple just have a cetain view about things that doesn't always make sense to everyone else. These new processors are not more suitable than the "S" quads though.

I agree. Apple could use them in iMac but they don't want to for some unknown reason(s). That just sucks
 
It is possible, Apple just have a cetain view about things that doesn't always make sense to everyone else. These new processors are not more suitable than the "S" quads though.
Don't forget the lack of quad-core mobile CPUs in the iMac (and we know heat is not a problem there).
 
Apple Gaping Lineup Hole

Aren't those 95W? How about heat? With thicker iMac, yes but I can't see them in current iMacs, unfortunately. They may consume less when idle but when under 100% iMac would smelt. Would be amazing though

Yeah, I definitely agree! The iMac sufferers from the same heat issues that the Power chips produced in earlier Apple offerings.

Subsequently the iMac will be "crippled", having to use low power, low performance chips unless Apple changes the cooling (or severe lack?!) the iMac currently uses.

Therein lies the cause of the infamous "Apple Gaping Lineup Hole" which is the Grand Canyon-like gap between the iMac and the MacPro.

Please fix it, Apple.
:eek:
 
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