Other New iPhones: intel or Qualcomm?

slowlife

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Are the new iPhones that were just announced using intel chips only?

I’m curious if there will be a “slower” version....
 

BiggAW

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This is very sad. For one, the new iPhones just won't work as well as the SIM-unlocked, Verizon, Sprint, and US Cellular versions of the 8/8+/X, and they won't work as well as Android devices with the SD845/X20 combo.
At least this makes my decision to get another Android phone much easier, since the iPhone isn't even an option anymore.
 

ilifecomputer

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So much miselading info in this thread. Wasn't it the case that Qualcomm assumed apple wasn't going to use it's chips ( a post above makes it seem like Qualcomm is cutting apple off).

Also, there's data to suggest that due to manufacturing issues, apple may still have decided to use Qualcomm this year after all.

I think the real answer for OP is we don't know yet.
 

acorntoy

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So much miselading info in this thread. Wasn't it the case that Qualcomm assumed apple wasn't going to use it's chips ( a post above makes it seem like Qualcomm is cutting apple off).

Also, there's data to suggest that due to manufacturing issues, apple may still have decided to use Qualcomm this year after all.

I think the real answer for OP is we don't know yet.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ma...-to-use-intel-lte-chips-for-2018-iphones/amp/

A CFO doesn’t tell investors this kind of news unless they are almost certainly sure. He basically announced to investors they were about to lose a lot of business and they should be ready for that. That’s a rare occurance.

We don’t really know until the tear downs, but it would be insane for a company to announce something like that when they aren’t completely sure, especially to their investors.
 
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ma...-to-use-intel-lte-chips-for-2018-iphones/amp/

A CFO doesn’t tell investors this kind of news unless they are almost certainly sure. He basically announced to investors they were about to lose a lot of business and they should be ready for that. That’s a rare occurance.

We don’t really know until the tear downs, but it would be insane for a company to announce something like that when they aren’t completely sure, especially to their investors.

very fair.
 

Wags

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So much miselading info in this thread. Wasn't it the case that Qualcomm assumed apple wasn't going to use it's chips ( a post above makes it seem like Qualcomm is cutting apple off).

Also, there's data to suggest that due to manufacturing issues, apple may still have decided to use Qualcomm this year after all.

I think the real answer for OP is we don't know yet.
I think really comes down to tower connection with carrier. Sure in lab tests someone will be deemed winner. You can be standing next to someone with exact model and get different results.
 

patrickbarnes

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This is very sad. For one, the new iPhones just won't work as well as the SIM-unlocked, Verizon, Sprint, and US Cellular versions of the 8/8+/X, and they won't work as well as Android devices with the SD845/X20 combo.
At least this makes my decision to get another Android phone much easier, since the iPhone isn't even an option anymore.
This is a really weird reason to not buy a phone. Who actually cares who makes the modem?

When’s the last time you saw a LTE phone fall back to CDMA? I haven’t seen it on my VZ iPhone in maybe 4 years.

It’s also almost unusable with today’s bandwidth requirements. Stick a fork in it, it’s done.
 

BiggAW

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ma...-to-use-intel-lte-chips-for-2018-iphones/amp/

A CFO doesn’t tell investors this kind of news unless they are almost certainly sure. He basically announced to investors they were about to lose a lot of business and they should be ready for that. That’s a rare occurance.

We don’t really know until the tear downs, but it would be insane for a company to announce something like that when they aren’t completely sure, especially to their investors.
Plus there are SEC issues if he misleads investors.

This is a really weird reason to not buy a phone. Who actually cares who makes the modem?

When’s the last time you saw a LTE phone fall back to CDMA? I haven’t seen it on my VZ iPhone in maybe 4 years.

It’s also almost unusable with today’s bandwidth requirements. Stick a fork in it, it’s done.
You clearly have no clue what you're talking about. It's not about CDMA or not CDMA, as the new Intel modems have CDMA too. It's about the inferior performance of Intel modems as compared to Qualcomm modems. Qualcomm modems just work better, particularly when re-attaching to an LTE network an in weak signal areas. So the Qualcomm phone will have service more than the Intel phone.
 

Dmal99

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If it’s that bad ill call up Apple and demand to switch back or a refund. I’m not gonna get stuck with a phone with a ****** radio/modem. If it happens to EVERYONE you can bet there’ll be an uproar.
 

BiggAW

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If it’s that bad ill call up Apple and demand to switch back or a refund. I’m not gonna get stuck with a phone with a ****** radio/modem. If it happens to EVERYONE you can bet there’ll be an uproar.
The new iPhones are going to have crap reception and there will be articles written about it and people will keep buying them anyway. That's what has happened with the Intel versions for the past two years, except that people who actually care about having decent service could just buy a SIM-free one for AT&T or T-Mobile. Now, if people want decent service, they're stuck with the iPhone 8/X, or they're going to have to switch to Android. Unfortunately, people just look at "shiny shiny object", and don't look at the most important components of the device, i.e. the battery and cellular radio.
 
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The new iPhones are going to have crap reception and there will be articles written about it and people will keep buying them anyway. That's what has happened with the Intel versions for the past two years, except that people who actually care about having decent service could just buy a SIM-free one for AT&T or T-Mobile. Now, if people want decent service, they're stuck with the iPhone 8/X, or they're going to have to switch to Android. Unfortunately, people just look at "shiny shiny object", and don't look at the most important components of the device, i.e. the battery and cellular radio.
Do you have any real proof of this? I have an Intel iPhone and have had no reception issues. Either my phone is special or you are just making assumptions with no real evidence. Which is it?
 
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BiggAW

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Do you have any real proof of this? I have an Intel iPhone and have had no reception issues. Either my phone is special or you are just making assumptions with no real evidence. Which is it?
Your Intel iPhone has crap reception. All Intel iPhones have crap reception. This is a well documented fact, and it has been tested over and over again. Go take it to the edge of a cell next to a Qualcomm phone, and your Intel iPhone will lose service much sooner than the Qualcomm iPhone.
 

Seth Matthews

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Your Intel iPhone has crap reception. All Intel iPhones have crap reception. This is a well documented fact, and it has been tested over and over again. Go take it to the edge of a cell next to a Qualcomm phone, and your Intel iPhone will lose service much sooner than the Qualcomm iPhone.
Where is this documentation? Even still, you can't tell me that my phone has crap reception. It has great reception...I have had zero issues with reception. So, if I have zero issues with reception, how can you tell me it is crap?

You don't get it. If the reception is flawless for me, then shouldn't my experience of my phone trump your assertion that my phone's reception is crap when you have never used my phone?
 

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LOL... it still find it funny.... this guy is willing to give up an entire ecosystem... give up the most powerful CPU, because of marginal difference in modem performance... based upon tests of OLDER models of Intel modems... and he hasn't even seen performance of this new modem yet..
 

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Do you have any real proof of this? I have an Intel iPhone and have had no reception issues. Either my phone is special or you are just making assumptions with no real evidence. Which is it?
No he is just spreading fud again.
He keeps comparing a 2018 Qualcomm modem to a 2017 or 2016 intel.
Then labeling them inferior.
 

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Where is this documentation? Even still, you can't tell me that my phone has crap reception. It has great reception...I have had zero issues with reception. So, if I have zero issues with reception, how can you tell me it is crap?

You don't get it. If the reception is flawless for me, then shouldn't my experience of my phone trump your assertion that my phone's reception is crap when you have never used my phone?
Apparently this is crap to him



On an intel modem
 

BiggAW

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Where is this documentation? Even still, you can't tell me that my phone has crap reception. It has great reception...I have had zero issues with reception. So, if I have zero issues with reception, how can you tell me it is crap?

You don't get it. If the reception is flawless for me, then shouldn't my experience of my phone trump your assertion that my phone's reception is crap when you have never used my phone?
https://www.macrumors.com/2017/12/01/qualcomm-iphone-x-still-faster-than-intel/

https://www.qualcomm.com/ltespeeds

No. Objective reality is objective reality. The fact of the matter is that any phone will have no service sometimes, and will sometimes have service that's too weak to use. This is simply reality. It is also an objective fact that a Qualcomm radio will hold on to a weak signal longer than an Intel modem, and on the fringe of reception, the Qualcomm radio will hold a useful data signal longer. This is objective reality. Therefore, the Qualcomm radio WILL have usable service more often than the Intel modem. This is simply a fact.

LOL... it still find it funny.... this guy is willing to give up an entire ecosystem... give up the most powerful CPU, because of marginal difference in modem performance... based upon tests of OLDER models of Intel modems... and he hasn't even seen performance of this new modem yet..
And what use is a phone if it can't get service? Who cares what the CPU does? I have both ecosystems, quite frankly, they're both fine. I've got an iPad, I love it, I have two Android phones, one is very useful and I don't like it that much (Galaxy S7), the other I really do like (Moto G6).

Apparently this is crap to him

On an intel modem
You just don't get it. Take your iPhone with it's Intel modem somewhere where a Qualcomm X20, or even if you want to be 100% fair, a Qualcomm X16-equipped eqivalent iPhone, barely has service, and your iPhone will not have service at all. Take it on the subway, and the Intel iPhone will take significantly longer to acquire LTE. These are well documented facts. You either believe objective reality, or you don't. The earth is round. The earth revolved around the sun. Global warming is caused by humans pumping greenhouse gas into the atmosphere. Intel iPhones have worse reception than Qualcomm iPhones. All objective facts.
 
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https://www.macrumors.com/2017/12/01/qualcomm-iphone-x-still-faster-than-intel/

https://www.qualcomm.com/ltespeeds

No. Objective reality is objective reality. The fact of the matter is that any phone will have no service sometimes, and will sometimes have service that's too weak to use. This is simply reality. It is also an objective fact that a Qualcomm radio will hold on to a weak signal longer than an Intel modem, and on the fringe of reception, the Qualcomm radio will hold a useful data signal longer. This is objective reality. Therefore, the Qualcomm radio WILL have usable service more often than the Intel modem. This is simply a fact.



And what use is a phone if it can't get service? Who cares what the CPU does? I have both ecosystems, quite frankly, they're both fine. I've got an iPad, I love it, I have two Android phones, one is very useful and I don't like it that much (Galaxy S7), the other I really do like (Moto G6).



You just don't get it. Take your iPhone with it's Intel modem somewhere where a Qualcomm X20, or even if you want to be 100% fair, a Qualcomm X16-equipped eqivalent iPhone, barely has service, and your iPhone will not have service at all. Take it on the subway, and the Intel iPhone will take significantly longer to acquire LTE. These are well documented facts. You either believe objective reality, or you don't. The earth is round. The earth revolved around the sun. Global warming is caused by humans pumping greenhouse gas into the atmosphere. Intel iPhones have worse reception than Qualcomm iPhones. All objective facts.
More fud.


Again comparing a 2018 Qualcomm modem to 2016 and 2017 intel modems.

Great data “objective reality” /s

A direct comparison:
2017 Qualcomm x16/snapdragon 835


2017 intel 7480


Must be something wrong with my iPhone with an intel modem to get great speeds
 

mrvirginia

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This is very sad. For one, the new iPhones just won't work as well as the SIM-unlocked, Verizon, Sprint, and US Cellular versions of the 8/8+/X, and they won't work as well as Android devices with the SD845/X20 combo.
At least this makes my decision to get another Android phone much easier, since the iPhone isn't even an option anymore.
This is partially incorrect and partial speculation. The new Intel XMM7560 will certainly be better than the Qualcomm modems found in the 8/8+/X because it's a last gen Qualcomm X16. That's the part you're incorrect about. It's speculation at the moment that the XMM7560 won't be as good as, or comparable to, the X20 since we don't have tests yet. It's very probable, going off of last gen tests, that it won't be quite as good as the X20 but we can't say with certainty without factual evidence comparing the new XMM7560 to the X20.

FFR is right... comparing old Intel modems to a new Qualcomm makes no sense at all so you can put the pitchforks down for now lol
 

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From the minute that cellular insights “study” came out a few years ago, there has been no convincing some people that the difference in performance between Qualcomm and Intel modems was insignificant. Qualcomm immediately was the “good” modem and Intel was the “bad” modem to be avoided at all costs. To hear some people, I should be surprised every time I’ve been able to make and keep a call on my dreaded Intel iPhone 7 these past two years. As I recall, even the cellular insights study said the differerence in performance would not be noticeable to most people in the vast majority of situations. Probably the biggest proof that the difference is insignificant is the fact that Apple has never faced a lawsuit or had to do any sort of recall whatsoever - if Intel iPhones truly were such an inferior product, Apple would have gotten sued and they would have had to admit they tried to fool a lot of people.

But, that doesn’t stop the armchair scientists from explaining every dropped call, every week signal as partially or wholly explained by their modems they have or lack there of. It’s sort of like people who believe in Bigfoot or ancient aliens - once they’ve drunk the kool-aid, every single piece of evidence or history supports their beliefs no matter how many other rational explanations exist.
 
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i had both modems in a large city on a 7plus variant of each and definitely favored the experience on the qualcomm. that being said, i still think its stupid to go on every modem/lte thread and post an assumption that the x20>7560 when the damn phone with this modem hasnt even come out. I get that people got riled in the past, but let the damn phone come out before you start the crusade. and how can people be so passionate about this?

i've spent all of the last year on a really fun to use pixel 2 xl and i find little reason to go into every thread and post about how intel is inferior and im totally going with my note 9 and oh yea please go stuff yourself in a dwellar and you will see that intel cant hold a signal etc... embarrassing.

I'm excited to try out the new Xs models and see how the new modem works.
 

Seth Matthews

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This is simply a fact.
Your definition of a fact is in total opposition to the rest of the world. My phone has great reception. I know this because I never drop a call and I travel all the time. That is a fact. Giving your opinion about my phone as a fact is just simple ignorance.

But hey, whatever makes you feel better about your choices. Peace.
 
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