New iPod on the way

[Kwyjibo]

I think another main point is that the chipsets for fw800 are much more expensive than those for fw400. I woudl rather see a cheaper iPod than a fw800 pod and I think many people would agree. I don't see why your so vehemnt about rallying behind what some guy specualtes at an appel reseller. I mean the whole logic of "no stock" doesn't necessarily mean update. There hasn't been a 5 gig in a while and even tho many resellers don't have 17 in powerbooks in regualr stock it doesn't mean they won't in the future. All i'm saying it don't get hung up on one feature. I think you shoudl realize at this point in time fw800 is simpyl not worth the additional costs. I still hear stories of ppl who didnt' udnerstand u need firewire for the ipdo so small sets.

 

[bennetsaysargh]

toshiba stopped making the 5gb hard drives that apple used for the 5gb iPods. the 5gb is either dead, or they will sell out what is sitting in some wharehouse somewhere at $199 or something.

 

[vniow]

........or some other company is making 1.8" 5GB hard drives.

 

[bennetsaysargh]

Originally posted by vniow
........or some other company is making 1.8" 5GB hard drives.

that could be true, but apple probably would stick with toshiba.

 

[Le Big Mac]

Originally posted by vanillamike
Who cares about FW 800, the point is the UK store claims they are coming soon that is all that matters!

Mike

Yeah, but folks here have been claiming that for weeks, adn still no new iPods. Of course they're coming. We know that. The only question is when, and what the revisions will involve.

 

[Perceptes]

Bluetooth

I think, if there are any updates to the iPod coming, it will not involve a change of FireWire speed. I think the likely new features will be a larger hard drive and built in Bluetooth. The iPod is the only device that iSync cannot connect to wirelessly. This makes me think that Apple is likely to get the iPod up to speed with the wireless revolution.

BTW, this is my first post on Mac Rumors. Hello everyone.

 

[bennetsaysargh]

Re: Bluetooth

Originally posted by Perceptes
I think, if there are any updates to the iPod coming, it will not involve a change of FireWire speed. I think the likely new features will be a larger hard drive and built in Bluetooth. The iPod is the only device that iSync cannot connect to wirelessly. This makes me think that Apple is likely to get the iPod up to speed with the wireless revolution.

BTW, this is my first post on Mac Rumors. Hello everyone.

First, welcome to MacRumors.
Second, I have an idea for internet radio on the iPod. If Apple were to put an Airport, or Airport Extreme card in the iPod, it could sync wirelessly, and pick up internet connections for internet radio.
I think it's a good idea.
I hope they do that eventually.

 

[melchior]

Originally posted by bennetsaysargh
toshiba stopped making the 5gb hard drives that apple used for the 5gb iPods. the 5gb is either dead, or they will sell out what is sitting in some wharehouse somewhere at $199 or something.

what makes you say this? Toshiba just released a new device called the HOPBIT. using, wait for it, a 1.8in 5GB HD.

Whether or not Apple will continues with a 5GB is another question, but Toshiba will continue.

 

[bennetsaysargh]

sorry about that, but i heard somewhere, i can't remember where, but it said that toshiba wasn't making th 5gb anymore.
sorry for the mistake.

 

[Doctor Q]

Re: Bluetooth

Originally posted by Perceptes
BTW, this is my first post on Mac Rumors. Hello everyone.

Welcome to MacRumors, Perceptes. I went to your web site from your profile page - nice Mac OS X look and feel!

I listen to my same favorite songs over and over (and over and over). I'm more likely to listen to the same 10 songs 100 times each than to listen to 1000 songs once each. People like me don't need larger iPod disks, at least for music.

If you get tired of storing music in your iPod, you can always store your genes instead. Then, whenever you wonder why humans behave the way we do, you can look it up no matter where you are! According to my rough calculation, you have room for the genomes of about 26 species in a 20GB iPod. If you need to keep track of more species than that, you'll have to wait for the 40GB iPod.

 

[Sol]

Why FW 800 should be in the next iPod

I agree that we do not actually need bigger capacity iPods but the nature of competition in the computer industry is such that bigger will always be better for most people (look at processors for example). I think that once we start getting iPods bigger than 30GB, most people's MP3 libraries will have been exceeded; personally I only have approximately 13.5 GB of MP3s in my computer. Unless we see video capabilities in the next iPod I think the increase in capacity will serve as general data storage.

As for FireWire 800, if it is backwards compatible I would rather see it in iPods sooner than later. I imagine that the benefit this new connection would provide is not read/write speed (as the tiny hard drive of the iPod is not that fast in the first place) but recharge speed. You see FW 800 can provide more power than FW 400 and so we could see new types of devices within a year should it become a common standard today. I am sure that bus-powered external hard drives will be a lot more common with FW 800 than they are now with the slower standard.

 

[MeanE]

Also a newbie here....found the site when I went searching for when the new iPods are supposed to be out.

Anyways...there is no real reason for Apple to include FW800 unless it is an "easy" upgrade (ie..the FW800 chip is about the same price as a FW400 chip). Otherwise that slow hard drive in the iPod is probably not maxing out the FW400 connection anyway.

But I digress...damn Apple release the new iPod's so I can buy one! Come on 40 gig

 

[wdodd]

Originally posted by Kwyjibo
I think another main point is that the chipsets for fw800 are much more expensive than those for fw400.

Exactly! Why make the iPod more expensive if it doesn't benefit from FW800. Everyone keeps talking about the backwards compatability as a reason to move forward to FW800 - I see it as the perfect reason to stick with FW400 on the iPod since it will still be compatible with newer machines with FW800.

 

[melchior]

although i completely agree that fw800 has no place in an ipod, whatsoever! (and i think you are mistaken to believe fw800 will yield better charging or whatever it is you envision. the ipod is not lacking for current, it already has a rapid charge function.)

anyway, a point did occur to me, that no one has mentioned, and though it is against my wishes, it's worth puting out there.....

fw800 is an impressive technology. to say an ipod has fw800 would get a lot of stupid people thinking it's really rally fast. it could be a marketing point.... just an idea

 

[Computer_Phreak]

Originally posted by GeneR
I agree but isn't there still the issue of how fast the ipod HD is? Will it be fast enough to accomodate the 800? I dunno. I have absolutely no knowledge about how fast an HD would have to be in order to transfer seamlessly with 800.

Does anybody else know what speed an iPod HD would have to be in order to work well with the new Firewire 800? Thanks!

Well, thats the point...

Apple might use FW800 because most people don't know that it really won't make Mac/PC to iPod transfer faster.

The fastest SCSI hard drives (used in servers) cannot even acheive sustained speed over 40 MB / per second, or (40 MB * 8 [1 byte = 8 bits]) 320 Mbps (megabits).

Firewire 400 is 400 Megabits, so even with a SCSI drive, FW800 would not provide any improvement.

 

[Raid]

Apathy...building...

I for one don't particularly care to speculate on what the new iPod (if it does exist) will offer. I've been waiting for 3 months now, and quite frankly all the fun has been sucked out of my iPod day-dreams. I won't be buying an iPod until the new models come out; and even then if I find the features of the newer model don't suit my liking I will then buy an older one. At it's worst the speculation here is completely baseless, and at best is highly questionable. Until I see a new iPod announced by Apple , I can't take any rumors here seriously. …even though I've become increasingly jaded in my expectations, I still do find myself checking out the Apple site every Tuesday…

Here's to hoping we don't need anymore of these ridiculous threads anymore!

 

[synthetickittie]

it took over a week to ship from when i ordered it but I finally shipped, my 10gb ipod. The thing took over a week and has shipped from taiwan. Now is still not a sign that they are definitly running outa ipods. Or have they allways shipped all the way from taiwan.. I live in the US by the way.

 

[yzedf]

wireless would suck

Think about it.

FW = 400

USB 2.0 = 480 max

802.11b = 11

802.11g = 54

Combo of USB 1.1/2.0 and Firewire would be great. Especially for the PC version of the iPod. USB 2.0 is far more prevalent than Firewire is.

 

[rainman::|:|]

morons, your bus is leaving.

let's look at a couple of facts to put your minds at ease:

* The HD is too slow to even utilize FW400 (except at theoretical burst speeds yadda yadda)...

* The chipsets are indeed too expensive to use pointlessly (lack of mass production);

* There would be no charging speed benefit. It's capped by the speed that the battery will take a charge. That's why they don't stick 40,000-watt cords into your cell phone at night to make it charge in .0002 seconds... it can't happen. rechargable batteries like this need a very low input to charge right (i believe heat is the underlying issue here) which is the reason for power adaptors.

* The iPod update has been rumored for about three months now. I've been telling you people to go buy one anyway. None of you listened. Had you, you'd have been listening to an iPod this whole time

* FW800 being 'cooler' is not a reason for Apple to do it.

* Bluetooth is too slow and Airport too power-consuming to be used, as well as size issues I believe. And antenna, after all it *is* sitting inside of a metal box...

*USB2.0 is a redundant technology that should not be supported for any reason. the iPod is the fastest and best (correct me if i'm wrong) selling MP3 player ever, so I think they've done well on FW.

* I have a friend that moved away from Columbine a couple of months before it happened. He could have been killed if he had stayed. And he uses that phrase a LOT more frequently than I do (that being once). Unless you lost a loved one there, relax! If you empower the actions that they took, you're encouraging it's repetition.

i'm not really this big of a bitch most of the time, as some of you know, but this iPod update thing is *really* burning my ass. so apologies.

pnw

 

[Kwyjibo]

Originally posted by paulwhannel
morons, your bus is leaving. * I have a friend that moved away from Columbine a couple of months before it happened. He could have been killed if he had stayed. And he uses that phrase a LOT more frequently than I do (that being once).

very well said paul, i completely agree and I"m glad to see you telling people to quit qhinign and buy one if you want one. ( i bought my 20 gigger in october). some of the feature ppl want (airport, bluetooth, fw800 (at this time)) seem alot like those fins they had on cars in the 50's. People think they will make a big difference and alter the product for the msot part tho they were junk.

 

[vanillamike]

Just give me a price drop on the current 20GB and I would buy it. Save the revisions (higher capacity, colour screen whatever) for when the music service comes out.

Mike

 

[Snorlax]

Re: New iPod on the way

Originally posted by Mr Jobs
i was at an apple retailer today (one the biggest in the UK) and I’ve been told by one of the guys there they are totally out of the current ipod stock and are waiting for apple to announce the new firewire 800 iPods before they start selling it.

wait for it very soon now.

So he did actually state that he knew that fw800 ipod's are coming? This is interesting! Not fw800 but new ipods!

 

[melchior]

it's not about any specific feature (though i do have requests) it's about the update cycle, getting the most value for money and not kicking yourself when the update is released. even if the update is a month a way, or even 3 months.

i would never buy from apple when a product is after more than a quarter of it's update cycle.

patience makes it worth it.

 

[cubist]

Hey guys, the Apple Store's refurbished list has been wiped out except for eMacs. There were iPods on there a couple of days ago. Does this mean anything?

 

[RLB]

Originally posted by cubist
Hey guys, the Apple Store's refurbished list has been wiped out except for eMacs. There were iPods on there a couple of days ago. Does this mean anything?

That is a good sign b/c apple can't sell a new 10 gb ipod for 299 $ while they are selling an old refurbished one for 329 $. They are paving the way for new ones.