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New iTunes Released

evilgEEk said:
Couldn't have said it better myself.

I get so tired of these people that whine and complain about the lack of a service and then when the service is finally announced they simply whine and complain some more.

Can't have your cake and eat it too, people.
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I have no problem with the 'service' (if people really want to spend money on what they've already bought), it's blocking users using their own purchases and music as ringtones that I object to. It's profiteering by means of an artificial technical limitation in the software of the iPhone.

We should be able to make ringtones for nothing out of tracks we've purchased, all you're doing is playing part of a track you've bought (or made yourself).
 
Price Drop

Well I knew it was coming but I didn't think it would be this quick. I guess my only saving grace was that I bought the 4gb. I'm not sorry I knew it would happen, I do this all the time.
 
Amblinman said:
You can, just not through iTunes's service.

It's amazing to me that people are under the impression that everything is coming to them for the low, low cost of nothing.

This is how capitalism works, boys and girls. Apple offers a service, you either find it worth the price or you don't. One thing I hate about the post-Napster era is how so many folks think anything they want should be free.
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Please explain to me how paying for something and then being told I'll have to pay AGAIN for the same thing is 'thinking it should be free'?

Thanks, but no thanks, Steve. I'll live with my ringtones as they are on my phone that is now worth $200 less because you missed your target market.

Not disgruntled, but now as happy as I could be.

JimmyD
:apple::apple::apple::apple:
 
ibwb said:
Argh... why can't people see below the surface with this? Apple doesn't own the songs! Apple has to negotiate ringtone rights from the music industry just like everyone else!

This is so obvious... why anyone would think that Apple has some mystical power to pull free ringtones out of the greedy bastards running the music industry is beyond me.
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Actually, if you make a CD through iTunes of purchased DRM music, then copy the track to your Mac, you can rip out the copy protection and make your own ring tone. I've NEVER paid for a ring tone, I always uploaded them through Bluetooth ObEx onto my RAZR, and now using iFuntastic to my iPhone. I refuse to pay more money into the already bloated pockets of Hollyweird exec's and the industry.

So, if I buy a CD, import it to iTunes, can I make a free ring tone with the songs I own or do I still have to buy them exclusively through iTunes?
 
This is not a failure for apple or a bad idea at all. It makes perfect sense.

At the end of the day the power users will make their own ringtones and use whatever they want. The everday users will just pay 99 cents more becuase its just easy that way.

This doesn't change anything except make it easier for the simple folk and increase apples bottom line.

iToner for me, ITMS for non power users.
 
bummer

and I was hoping that there would be a way to use tunes I/a friend created in garageband or soundtrack-pro as a ring-tone. very disappointed in how this turned out.
but hey, I am excited about the iTunes wireless store. does anyone know if it will only work for music; or can I use it to pickup a tv episode too ?
 
Voice Spam Filter

I think the only ringtone I'm going to buy is a 30 seconds chunk of blank and I'll assign this "Silent" track to people I don't like.

With Visual Voice Mail, I already didn't have to listen to their messages - but now with custom ringtones, I won't even have to hear them call me anymore.

Thank you Apple for bringing me peace!
 
CJD2112 said:
Actually, if you make a CD through iTunes of purchased DRM music

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So, if I buy a CD, import it to iTunes, can I make a free ring tone with the songs I own or do I still have to buy them exclusively through iTunes?
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I have done the former too (actually just recently, and it was convenient, since I wanted a physical copy of this for my car anyway). For a lot of editing software, you don't even have to rip the burnt CD. You can import the track directly (it pretends to be AIFF), crop / fade / etc it, and then save an MP3 or a WAV and use Max to convert it.

I think if you use AudioHijack, you can even do it without bothering with the CD. You can probably also repeatedly re-use a CDRW to do this.

For the latter, I haven't had a chance to see the new iTunes yet, but it's sounding like iTunes will only upload purchased ringtones for you, meaning you'll need to continue to use the third-party app.
 
I doesn't look like you can use the new ringtone maker to make ringtones out of your own music. Seems to be only for stuff purchased through iTunes. OK, but...

The website also says that you can use a ringtone for an alarm. Does this mean that tones put into the ringtone list via third-party "hacks" will also be available for alarms? This is new functionality if it's the case.
 
mpuck972 said:
I agree 100%. It amazes me how forgiving most people on here are of Apple. If that was Bill Gates announcing that, as opposed to Steve Jobs, there would be lawsuits filed already.

We own it, we should be able to use it.
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Has even one person been an apologist for this? I don't think so.

As for lawsuits, Apple already has multiple lawsuits against them over iPod and iPhone issues.

As far as suing over this, though, that's ridiculous. Nobody would sue over being charged for ringtones (well some people would sue over being looked at funny, but you know what I mean,) but that doesn't mean we have to be happy about it.

I fully agree, iToner is looking much nicer now. (I'm sure we'll have a freeware option soon, too.)
 
Yes there are 3rd party solutions, but it's completely lame we can't use our own .mp3 files to create ringtones through the iTunes interface. If we've purchased it on our own, via CD (or however you've obtained the file), it is your file. iFuntastic will be remaining with me.
 
I think the pricing is dead on. Yes, we all wish we could use our own music easily and legitimately. I'm sure Apple does too. But you can be sure the record companies don't. So this isn't as nazi-ish as it could have been.

Plus, how many ringtones is one going to have? A few? Calm down, babies!

-=|Mgkwho
 
Quote from the new iTunes Ringtone site.

"You and iTunes are old friends by now. Which means getting your ringtone on your iPhone is easy. Choose a purchased song in your library marked with the ringtone symbol. Using the ringtone editor, take any portion of the song — up to 30 seconds — then set fade in, fade out, and playback delay. Once you've created the perfect ringtone, click to buy it for only 99¢. Then sync your iPhone and wait for the calls to rock ’n’ roll in."

It sounds like you will be able to use any purchased songs already in your library as ringtones as long as they have the "bell" symbol next to them (one of the "approved" songs for ring tones). I would then assume that you would only be paying the .99 cents to create the ringtone, since you already own the song.

Am I right?

It would make sense that Apple would eventually allow you to create a ringtone from any of the songs in your library for the same fee eventually. Also, I would think that Apple will start selling their own custom ringtones for .49 or .99 cents soon.

iToner works incredibly anyway, until Apple gets the pricing right.
 
Wow OK. Here's my summary of today:

- Ringtones are stupidly overpriced, Apple is gonna make a mint off of iPhone owners, but I bet potential iPhone customers will see Apple's trend towards devouring their money and shy away to some extent.
- iPod Touch is sort of cool but ultimately lame in that it has no cellular data access (for obvious reasons). If it wants to be a PDA, it should know that PDAs have all have internet now.
- Apple said that Safari for ipod/iphone is 'the most advanced browser EVAR'.. yeah, except other pocket PCs for less money have ADOBE FLASH PLUGIN. (and cell access..) Thanks for playing, Apple.
- iPod shuffle 'update' is just new colors, not even worth a news item here but oh well. Still a great product at an okay price, but they should probably upgrade it someday (how about waterproofing?)
- iPod classic is awesome now with 160GB
- iPod Nano is the real winner here today, that's just amazing, especially at the same price point.

I hope Apple fixes its deal with NBC. Those are the only shows I bought on iTMS
 
slughead said:
Wow OK. Here's my summary of today:

- Ringtones are stupidly overpriced, Apple is gonna make a mint off of iPhone owners, but I bet potential iPhone customers will see Apple's trend towards devouring their money and shy away to some extent.
- iPod Touch is sort of cool but ultimately lame in that it has no cellular data access (for obvious reasons). If it wants to be a PDA, it should know that PDAs have all have internet now.
- Apple said that Safari for ipod/iphone is 'the most advanced browser EVAR'.. yeah, except other pocket PCs for less money have ADOBE FLASH PLUGIN. (and cell access..) Thanks for playing, Apple.
- iPod shuffle 'update' is just new colors, not even worth a news item here but oh well. Still a great product at an okay price, but they should probably upgrade it someday (how about waterproofing?)
- iPod classic is awesome now with 160GB
- iPod Nano is the real winner here today, that's just amazing, especially at the same price point.

I hope Apple fixes its deal with NBC. Those are the only shows I bought on iTMS
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Lets not forget the $200 price drop on the 8 gig iPhone :mad:
 
Since this service doesn't really cost Apple anything, and they cut the price of the iPhone by 1/3, I'll take 100 free ringtones as an early adopter, please. Thanks in advance.
 
I think I'm going to start a company that charges people every time they quote a line from a book they bought. Even their own writing! It only seems fair. It's how capitalism works. :rolleyes:

And everyone saying this isn't Apple's fault is wrong I think - it's entirely up to them whether the iPhone plays any music files on it when triggered by an incoming call. They're doing it for greed, it's simple. iTunes already has the option to play files from any set point and to stop at any point, add a fade-in or out if you like, the iPhone is perfectly capable of playing back 30 second portions of music tracks already, if they didn't prevent it.

Remember what Steve Jobs said when asked about ringtones a while back?

""Will we be able to assign ipod-playable songs to ringtones?” –John Markoff asked this during our interview, and Mr. Jobs said it’s not been decided yet."

I guess they decided then.
 
I'm not an iPhone user, but this was the worst part of today's announcements.

I understand that ringstones can be 99 cents. And I know that some carriers like Sprint can sell both the song and the ringtone of the same song, but Apple just screwed the pooch on this one.

If AT&T was behind this, I could understand the charging extra. Apple would have made a huge praise with iPhone users. I don't see this going anywhere except (eventually) free.
 
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