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Slippery slope....

Call me paranoid, but allowing the government to FORCE messages on all devices seems a huge civil liberty to give up.

What if, they decided in the future to push political messages? Or came up with a plan to pay off deficit by getting into the advertising game... can you imagine the value of adverts that would be pushed to ALL devices in the country simultaneously??

I don’t like it.
Put up air horns if everyone NEEDS to be aware (in their infinite wisdom).
 
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Slippery slope....

Call me paranoid, but allowing the government to FORCE messages on all devices seems a huge civil liberty to give up.

What if, they decided in the future to push political messages? Or came up with a plan to pay off deficit by getting into the advertising game... can you imagine the value of adverts that would be pushed to ALL devices in the country simultaneously??

I don’t like it.
Put up air horns if everyone NEEDS to be aware (in their infinite wisdom).
It's not really a slippery slope because the First Amendment guarantees Netflix their freedom of speech. That has special rules involving emergencies, but it'd be easy for Netflix to win a case against the FCC for forcing them to push anything else.
 
I would honestly rather get tornado'd than have spam alerts on Netflix, etc.

Send it to my phone. This is an antiquated law from before mobile / smart phones.
 
They're looking at the wrong thing. They need to require the makers of streaming boxes and smart TVs to implement this technology. On phones it's done on the OS level. It should be the same for streaming devices. More proof that those who write legislation and develop our laws don't know what they're freaking talking about.

Not sure why so many people in this thread are getting their panties in a bunch because they might be annoyed by receiving an EAS nuclear missile alert or tornado warning during Netflix and chill. Especially since such a feature would have an off switch. The number of people this could help clearly outweighs the death wishes of the few TV zombies who clearly need help figuring out life priorities.
 
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I had to turn off my weather alert radio, because it kept me awake all night every time thunderstorms were rolling through. All I want to know is, is there a tornado watch or warning near me. I don't need to know about the whole state, or something two or more counties away from me (we have counties larger than some northeastern states). I just need enough time to take shelter.

I turned off most weather alerts for this same reason. Texas is an enormous state. If severe weather (or AMBER) alerts can be geo-filtered so that I only get the ones relevant to me, I'm more likely to be alright with it. As it is, an AMBER alert or a Silver alert for Dallas/Fort Worth is completely useless to me in Austin, as is a tornado warning for San Angelo.
 
They're looking at the wrong thing. They need to require the makers of streaming boxes and smart TVs to implement this technology. On phones it's done on the OS level. It should be the same for streaming devices. More proof that those who write legislation and develop our laws don't know what they're freaking talking about.

Not sure why so many people in this thread are getting their panties in a bunch because they might be annoyed by receiving an EAS nuclear missile alert or tornado warning during Netflix and chill. Especially since such a feature would have an off switch. The number of people this could help clearly outweighs the death wishes of the few TV zombies who clearly need help figuring out life priorities.
Long term this could work, but the problem is there are already many existing devices where this may not be possible.
 
An example from nearly 17 years ago really isn't the evidence you seem to think it is.

No such emergency has happened state-side since my example. The other minor incidents, including tornados striking locally, never had any broadcast interruption of the premium channels.

Regular cable and OTA channels have had nonsensical test and faux alerts spoiling preset recordings; some are very loud annoying screeches in the middle of the night.
 
I had to turn off my weather alert radio, because it kept me awake all night every time thunderstorms were rolling through. All I want to know is, is there a tornado watch or warning near me. I don't need to know about the whole state, or something two or more counties away from me (we have counties larger than some northeastern states). I just need enough time to take shelter.

I turned off most weather alerts for this same reason. Texas is an enormous state. If severe weather (or AMBER) alerts can be geo-filtered so that I only get the ones relevant to me, I'm more likely to be alright with it. As it is, an AMBER alert or a Silver alert for Dallas/Fort Worth is completely useless to me in Austin, as is a tornado warning for San Angelo.

I had a similar problem and unfortunately ended up with the same solution as you. I kept getting woke up at 3:00 in the morning for small craft warnings on the Potomac River. I don't own a boat and I'm at least ten miles away from the Potomac River.

I thought Weather Radios were supposed to be programmable to eliminate certain codes. I just wanted to know about something that was going to blow the house down or blow a tree down on the house. I didn't care about anything else. However I could never figure out how to program the radio just alert me of this and nothing else.

I think the idea being proposed has merit and is worth exploring. It might actually work better in that you can identify a fixed location for a streaming device which could give you more accurate alerts and reduce false alerts. Perhaps I don't need to get small craft warnings when I'm sitting in my living room streaming Orange is the New Black.
 
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Wait a second, there is proposed legislation that has actually been well thought out? Is this the twilight zone?

This legislation seems to address several key issues:
  • Most people no longer watch live TV or listen to the radio, which in the past have been the ways that emergency alerts get pushed out. We have replaced these with streaming services or at least DVR.
    • Now in an ideal world, it would be great to push this out to the individual devices instead of relying on the services, but in reality many devices that are currently available would not have the ability to receive such a signal, so relying on the services actually makes more sense.
  • This eliminates the ability to opt out of these very important alerts and yes, the Amber alerts are important and can literally save lives, as can the other emergency alerts.
  • This also establishes a program to reduce the number of false alerts and hopefully eliminate them all together, which would include things like the person talking about an alert that it was going to be 85 degree outside, that would be a false alert.

As a whole, we're in agreement. Of course, as with most things the 'devil is in the details'.

The reality (from my perspective) is that IF you are watching streaming services you likely have access to other sources of alerts. I'm in agreement that providing critical alerts is important and should be included wherever people happen to be, so this is not necessarily a bad idea.

Perhaps, instead of requiring every streaming provider to include alerts, they could be included in the host devices? Surely TV, FireTV, etc. could provide the alerting as an underlying service that would pop up regardless of what app you happen to be running. Yes?

IMO this makes a bit more sense for streaming audio where you might not be watching anything, but if so it should apply to every single streaming audio provider (Spotify, Apple Music, Amazon Prime Music, YouTube Music, etc.)... which would be a burdensome, cost ineffective approach. There are simply too many sources for each one to individually implement the infrastructure. Also, that likely eliminates new players by making cost of entry virtually prohibitive.

Besides... in order to successfully broadcast alerts relevant to me... every single streaming provider would need to know my approximate physical location. I don't want that! Plus, what happens when I'm streaming to my car? Is Apple Music seriously going to constantly keep track of my physical location? If not, will my phone receive every possible alert then apply some filtering logic based on my location... and only then interrupt the stream to play those that apply?

It is conceptually a great idea, but I don't see this being anywhere close to implementable.
 
Please don't eliminate this option.
Missile alerts, man. They aren't proposing making AMBER alerts mandatory.

As in, take cover, you're about to get hit by a bomb.

I don't think people want to opt-out of that, lol.

Amber alerts seem pretty useless, from my perspective. Tornado, earthquake, etc. alerts are pretty valuable, assuming they're properly localized. Missile alerts seem incredibly important, assuming they aren't false. I don't think you have to worry about them being annoying.

I'm surprised apple doesn't provide options like "silent alerts" and "obey do not disturb".

Also, the slippery slope arguement isn't very strong. The court has ruled many times that mandatory emergency messages are totally legal, while mandatory ads (like smoking damage imagery) is illegal. Every right has to have logical boundaries; right to bear arms doesn't apply to nukes.
 
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The government doesn’t pay, they steal money via taxes and redistribute it to unworthy causes.

Are you a high school student that just discovered Ayn Rand? I hope you refuse help from those police officers and fire fighters. And please stay off those roads as well. Don’t ever use the court system for anything either.
 
Long term this could work, but the problem is there are already many existing devices where this may not be possible.
Yeah and there were a lot of existing phones that didn't work with EAS either. It was added in later software updates. Roku, Apple TV, Chromecast and Fire TV could add it to their current lineups via software update, maybe a version or two back, and that would probably cover 90% or more of the devices currently being used regularly on the market. There are a lot more points of failure if you getting an EAS depends on the TV channel that you're streaming. Think about how many services there are and how many more are yet to come. Think of all the one-off apps for each channel where you just login with credentials. It's a whole lot less work to have it integrated in this way at the OS level as there are only a few OS.
 
I turned off all the alerts on my phone after getting an Amber Alert at 4AM while in bed asleep for something 100+ miles away.
Yeah, something of that nature is what ends up being more detrimental than useful in a sense.
 
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The FCC isn’t proposisng this. Two senators are. Reading is fundamental.

Reading alone is not enough - comprehension is key, a definite component of good upbringing. So, cut the sneer.

The two senators are not going to get on the horn and call you after passing such a legislation - the government's arm to get into such actions is the FCC. The FCC will be used to implement their control over the people - like they already did with the Net Neutrality reversal just last year.

The FCC is mentioned as the tool that will be used to monitor the efficacy of the system at the end of the article, if clarification of how it will be implemented was not clear enough to the simple minded.
 
Like during the Cold War?

Exactly.

If there’s REALLY (which there isn’t...)
missile launches & other stuff that we desperately need to all be immediately aware of- no need to give up civil liberties by allowing unbid takeover of all of our electronics.
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Missile alerts, man. They aren't proposing making AMBER alerts mandatory.

As in, take cover, you're about to get hit by a bomb.

I don't think people want to opt-out of that, lol.

Amber alerts seem pretty useless, from my perspective. Tornado, earthquake, etc. alerts are pretty valuable, assuming they're properly localized. Missile alerts seem incredibly important, assuming they aren't false. I don't think you have to worry about them being annoying.

I'm surprised apple doesn't provide options like "silent alerts" and "obey do not disturb".

Also, the slippery slope arguement isn't very strong. The court has ruled many times that mandatory emergency messages are totally legal, while mandatory ads (like smoking damage imagery) is illegal. Every right has to have logical boundaries; right to bear arms doesn't apply to nukes.

Lol, you really think “missile alerts” is enough of a genuine concern that we NEED a system in place to alert everyone in the nation through takeover of all their devices simultaneously??
 
Are you a high school student that just discovered Ayn Rand? I hope you refuse help from those police officers and fire fighters. And please stay off those roads as well. Don’t ever use the court system for anything either.

Dont worry besides roads, I do my best to avoid all the rest like the plague.
 
Are you a high school student that just discovered Ayn Rand? I hope you refuse help from those police officers and fire fighters. And please stay off those roads as well. Don’t ever use the court system for anything either.

Why should @miniyou64 refuse to use something they've been forced to pay for, especially when the government mandates that no alternatives are permitted to exist?

Taking something from someone via the threat of violence is either threat or extortion, period.
 
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