New Lightroom line-up

robgendreau

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So...Adobe now has both Lightroom CC (completely new; sort of absorbs Lr Mobile, and is now a service with cloud storage), and Lightroom Classic, the same ol' desktop application, but updated (luminance and color masking; speedier). They come in three plans, one with Lr CC and online storage of 20GB, one with Lr CC, Lr Classic, Photoshop, and 20GB storage (which existing CC subscribers get), and also the latter with 1TB storage for $10/mo more.

I'm kinda wondering how the Lr CC/online storage/Lr Classic will interact for a mobile workflow. Some stuff I need in the metadata area is meh on CC, but I don't need to get that all done on the road.

And BTW, no more perpetual license Lr. http://blogs.adobe.com/photoshop/2017/10/introducing-lightroom-cc-lightroom-classic-cc-and-more.html
 

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I don't do any mobile processing and don't use cloud storage so I've updated Lr CC to Lr Classic CC (for desktop). I'm noticing much welcome performance improvements. How much better/faster - I've no idea how to quantify that but it is faster, smoother and stable.

~ Peter
 

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Classic CC is fine for me... My way of working works for me right now... No change needed. Guess I am not the target demographic
 

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I'm somewhat confused between the LR CC and LR Classic options.

I don't use Photoshop (use Afinity instead for those special images which require extra editing) but do use LR a lot, often processing between 600 to 1,000 images at a time after shooting at a cycling race every weekend.

The idea of cloud storage appeals in terms of not filling up my own storage, but wouldn't want to wait for 700+ RAW images at 50MB each to upload.

Need to have a look in a bit more detail....or wait for the YouTube reviews of it....
 
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I'm somewhat confused between the LR CC and LR Classic options.

I don't use Photoshop (use Afinity instead for those special images which require extra editing) but do use LR a lot, often processing between 600 to 1,000 images at a time after shooting at a cycling race every weekend.

The idea of cloud storage appeals in terms of not filling up my own storage, but wouldn't want to wait for 700+ RAW images at 50MB each to upload.

Need to have a look in a bit more detail....or wait for the YouTube reviews of it....
Do update your experience. Are you on DPR as well?
 

Moakesy

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Do update your experience. Are you on DPR as well?
Checked out the DPR review (thanks) and that sorted me....

> Lightroom CC is for 'lite' users....focussing on ease of use rather than immediate access to all menus
> Lightroom Classic gives the more expansive UI

So went for the Classic. Seems quite a lot quicker doing the sort of things I do, so happy with the update.
 
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Lightroom CC is for 'lite' users....focussing on ease of use rather than immediate access to all menus
I'm not sold that Adobe is positioning Lightroom CC for lite users.

I think given the recent updates from adobe (mostly in the mobile lr realm), the reclassification on lightroom cc to lightroom classic means that (to me at least) they're focusing their attention to the mobile world. They see the cloud and the ability to edit on any device, phone, tablet, laptop as the future. They're keeping the classic LR around for those who want to keep their catalogs on the computer.
 
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Moakesy

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I'm not sold that Adobe is positioning Lightroom CC for lite users.

I think given the recent updates from adobe (mostly in the mobile lr realm), the reclassification on lightroom cc to lightroom classic means that (to me at least) they're focusing their attention to the mobile world. They see the cloud and the ability to edit on any device, phone, tablet, laptop as the future. They're keeping the classic LR around for those who want to keep their catalogs on the computer.
I guess it's open to interpretation but from their own website, Lightroom CC is

"powerful Yet Simple—Lightroom CC will offer the powerful image editing that you want, while being simple and intuitive to use."

Whilst for the Lightroom Classic CC retains all the features of LR, and will be developed further, for example...

"we are working to optimize the performance of higher powered processing systems and higher resolution monitors"

I don't think the new Lightroom CC will be lacking in power, but it's focus and intended audience does not appear to be the power user.
 

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How exactly does cloud storage work?
Will Lightroom try to upload all my photos to the cloud after I update to CC?
Or will it just use the cloud storage for library information data?

I'm trying to decide if the LR+PS+20GB plan or the LR+1TB plan, which are both $9.99 per month, would be the better choice for me...
 

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The new Lightroom CC is basically an early release. It's not "meant" for the armature users, it just lacks the features.
For now...
I anticipate it will gain the same capabilities Classic CC has, and newly developed capabilities will only be added to one of the two (obviously not the Classic/deprecated version).

I'm on the fence for now. I see Classic CC as an eventual dead-end. But, with all the other options out there, we the users have the advantage.
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How exactly does cloud storage work?
Will Lightroom try to upload all my photos to the cloud after I update to CC?
Or will it just use the cloud storage for library information data?

I'm trying to decide if the LR+PS+20GB plan or the LR+1TB plan, which are both $9.99 per month, would be the better choice for me...
The new Lightroom CC will upload all your images. Classic will maintain current local storage.
 
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The new Lightroom CC is basically an early release. It's not "meant" for the armature users, it just lacks the features.
For now...
I anticipate it will gain the same capabilities Classic CC has, and newly developed capabilities will only be added to one of the two (obviously not the Classic/deprecated version).

I'm on the fence for now. I see Classic CC as an eventual dead-end. But, with all the other options out there, we the users have the advantage.
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The new Lightroom CC will upload all your images. Classic will maintain current local storage.
I think it's their naming scheme that confuses everybody. And the fact that you can't buy Classic CC alone, only as a package deal.

I've been using LG 2016 and the only way for me to get a Classic CC (that supports updates past 2017) is if I buy the package that includes LR CC, PS CC and Classic CC. Guess I'll just have to be careful when installing that I don't accidentally check the "upload all media to cloud" button ;)
 

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I'm going with Lightroom Classic too, if I need to access Lightroom from elsewhere there's always lightroom.adobe.com, the web based Lightroom editor to use! I don't have a laptop at the moment.

The 20TB of included cloud space is more than enough for me to bumble along with for current projects, I'll just need to rotate the images out every now and again is all.

Looking forward to the refinements in Lightroom's masking applications! :cool:

The recent Photoshop CC update includes support for HEIF too! :)
Hopefully this comes to Lightroom too.

Just discovered that Lightroom Mobile supports HEIF, but whether that means it just converts it to jpeg has not been clarified as yet.
https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/heif-support-for-ios-11
 

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2 things to note WHY isnt there Macbook Touch Bar support in either like photoshop big let down, and ive been testing both today and Classic CC still mucks up scrolling thru pics like takes a while to re acpect ratio and this is one maxed out 2017 macbook pro so thought that would be fixed, like clicking right arrow and scrolling thru pics doesnt smoothly go thru them like lightroom CC but yeah i like to edit albums then save and delete not back up to cloud, and with CC you only have small and full size export cant do 50%
 

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I have the standalone version of Lightroom 6 and will not be converting to a monthly (or yearly) subscription service. I might have paid an upgrade fee if they offered it for the next version but I don't use it enough to justify paying monthly and I don't use photoshop or store pictures on the cloud.
 

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I'll stick with LR 6 for now thanks. But not really interested in cloud storage or mobile editing.

My concern is that us old die hards with DSLR's want CC Classic feature but we are in the minority.
Mobile casual shooters are the pack Adobe are chasing. I just don't fit that model!
 

Alexander.Of.Oz

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Just had a play with the new refinements to mask selections.

There are two refinements available now, one for Luminosity ranges and one for Colour ranges!

For those that have found Luminosity Masking intimidating or cumbersome in the past, this makes it really easy and accurate to make selections quickly now and without having to export to and from Photoshop! :cool:

The colour range selections are really well thought out too, with some nice refinement and accuracy available to them!
 

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I tried to download the CC whatever and it never worked. So I assume that Adobe CC doesn't work or will load with my server/wifi connection. Just like the Adobe Suites, I will be out of the loop. Sad because I've spent a grip. I don't like the monthly fees because you don't own a physical copy and you may not have access to the cloud. Its a gamble.

I will be keeping LR
 

macintoshmac

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2 things to note WHY isnt there Macbook Touch Bar support in either like photoshop big let down, and ive been testing both today and Classic CC still mucks up scrolling thru pics like takes a while to re acpect ratio and this is one maxed out 2017 macbook pro so thought that would be fixed, like clicking right arrow and scrolling thru pics doesnt smoothly go thru them like lightroom CC but yeah i like to edit albums then save and delete not back up to cloud, and with CC you only have small and full size export cant do 50%
Why, oh why, are you always so dissatisfied with performance, be it iOS, be it Adobe?
 

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Well I find the whole update pretty underwhelming...as usual with PS you update it, and then have to reset you workspace to how it was and manually copy over your plug ins..

The new masking feature in lightroom is not great for me...i tend to use luminosity masks as a global adjustment, surprised its not implemented like this? You can work around by painting the whole picture, but it seems a little clunky...think I will probably continue to go into PS for this type of work.
 

robgendreau

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Well I find the whole update pretty underwhelming...as usual with PS you update it, and then have to reset you workspace to how it was and manually copy over your plug ins..

The new masking feature in lightroom is not great for me...i tend to use luminosity masks as a global adjustment, surprised its not implemented like this? You can work around by painting the whole picture, but it seems a little clunky...think I will probably continue to go into PS for this type of work.
I sorta don't want Lr Classic to try to do everything Ps can do. You can do some global stuff kinda sort via HSL. But I just see the Ps/Lr dividing line really being the ability to use layers and masks explicitly.
 
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So very glad I bailed out months ago.
I feel the opposite. I think it's a smart move by Adobe to have two separate applications - one for desktop users and one for mobile users. I don't anticipate ever having a need for mobile processing, so this works for me.

The new Lr Classic CC works very well even with the huge files from a D850. All in all, I'm very happy with what I'm seeing and experiencing so far.

I also have to say that I'm amused by all the "goodbye Adobe" rants going on around various forums. People continue to be unhappy with Adobe's subscription plans and are disgusted with the fact that the company is realizing increased profits. So I have to ask: "What's wrong with free enterprise and a company being profitable?" It's their job to deliver a solid product that sells and in a way that sells and I believe they have, after all Adobe isn't a charitable organization.

And don't get me started on the cost of a subscription. Honestly...10.00 USD a month! How many people spend that much on coffee over just a couple days or one lunch away from the office. How about that new bit of camera gear for $120 a year. Seriously?

If people are using other processing applications that work them that's great but I don't understand the need to bash Adobe.

Ok, I'm done and feel better now. :)
 

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I feel the opposite. I think it's a smart move by Adobe to have two separate applications - one for desktop users and one for mobile users. I don't anticipate ever having a need for mobile processing, so this works for me.

The new Lr Classic CC works very well even with the huge files from a D850. All in all, I'm very happy with what I'm seeing and experiencing so far.

I also have to say that I'm amused by all the "goodbye Adobe" rants going on around various forums. People continue to be unhappy with Adobe's subscription plans and are disgusted with the fact that the company is realizing increased profits. So I have to ask: "What's wrong with free enterprise and a company being profitable?" It's their job to deliver a solid product that sells and in a way that sells and I believe they have, after all Adobe isn't a charitable organization.

And don't get me started on the cost of a subscription. Honestly...10.00 USD a month! How many people spend that much on coffee over just a couple days or one lunch away from the office. How about that new bit of camera gear for $120 a year. Seriously?

If people are using other processing applications that work them that's great but I don't understand the need to bash Adobe.

Ok, I'm done and feel better now. :)
I'm not an Adobe basher but I don't like the subscription payment method.
The reason they did it because people either don't upgrade or have a pirated copy.
I don't do either of those things.

I haven't been to buy a coffee out in months. I'm naturally tight!
I prefer paying for things up front rather than monthly.
Always have.

I'll be moving over to CC Classic at some point (no interest in mobile), but I'm in no rush.
 
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I'm not an Adobe basher but I don't like the subscription payment method.
The reason they did it because people either don't upgrade or have a pirated copy.
I don't do either of those things.

I haven't been to buy a coffee out in months. I'm naturally tight!
I prefer paying for things up front rather than monthly.
Always have.

I'll be moving over to CC Classic at some point (no interest in mobile), but I'm in no rush.
My point exactly AFB. You do what works for you and that's great but you don't bash Adobe in the process. Guess I'm just feeling tired reading about pleople who feel that Adobe is somehow attempting to rob them of their due.
 
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