Isn’t this always the case with Apple products? That vocal contingent is regularly disappointed, underwhelmed, sad, followed by “I’ll pass”.
Yes, and yet they stay with Apple decades after decades like a dysfunctional family relation.
Isn’t this always the case with Apple products? That vocal contingent is regularly disappointed, underwhelmed, sad, followed by “I’ll pass”.
I performed black magic speed tests on my base 256GB M4 mini and 512GB M2 mini earlier today and the M2 had 2x the read speed and 1.5x the write speed. Not sure where these reports of decent speeds on the 256GB M4 are coming from.That's... not good at all.
I just downloaded it an ran it on my M1 MacBook Pro:
The top-line numbers were 7005 and 4932. The numbers you have are worse than my external Thunderbolt SSD. I ran the SSD drive twice: Once directly attached to the Mac, and once attached to my OWC Thunderbolt hub.
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I get different numbers with Black Magic as well. But my Amorphous speed report is WAY higher on my MacBook Pro than it is on that Mac Mini M4, and that makes no sense to me.I performed black magic speed tests on my base 256GB M4 mini and 512GB M2 mini earlier today and the M2 had 2x the read speed and 1.5x the write speed. Not sure where these reports of decent speeds on the 256GB M4 are coming from.
The speeds that I am getting from the 256GB M4 mini are what I would expect from a single NAND chip whereas those from my 512GB M2 mini are what I would expect from two chips (which it has) and those from my 512GB M1pro MBP are what I would expect from four chips (which it has). Basically it appears to me from testing that the base M4 mini does in fact only have one NAND chip contrary to this story.I get different numbers with Black Magic as well. But my Amorphous speed report is WAY higher on my MacBook Pro than it is on that Mac Mini M4, and that makes no sense to me.
That is interesting! Perhaps the $200 SSD upgrade gets you double speed? People definitely want to know this!There are some reports that there is a 2x speed disparity between the SSDs in the M4 vs the M4Pro... I'm sure more testing will happen to sort it out.
https://www.tomsguide.com/computing/desktop-computers/mac-mini-m4-review#section-mac-mini-m4-specs
I can’t believe how much you guys post on a Mac site and dont know too much. Here, upgrading the ram on a Studio with the same NANDs etc:
I got sick of reading the first two pages. Thanks for letting me know 😜This has already been posted in this thread (multiple times actually). Just FYI.
Just picked one up in store on the way home. $499… can’t resist that. Haven’t fired it up yet but will later tonight. I probably won’t have a huge performance wow factor since I use a M3 Pro 16” MBP at work, but just carrying that small of a box out of the store knowing how capable and tiny it is made me happy. I also have an iPad mini 7 and would buy an iPhone mini if they still made them up to date. I just love small tech I guess 😆Do it, go with base model, it's an incredible deal now that the SSD is repairable. It gets worse if you upgrade components.
I went from 2015 MacBook Pro to M1 Mac Mini and the performance gap was absurd. I absolutely mistreat that thing and never have to worry. The M4 must be a beast.
Same old story every time. The main character complains about how much his home sucks and how he hates his family, leaves home to travel the world, only to realise that there's no place like home when he sees all the problems elsewhere.Yes, and yet they stay with Apple decades after decades like a dysfunctional family relation.
I don't think any of that is needed at all. It just needs to be a module that uses the same type of NAND chips that Apple uses. If the mini is a success, there will be an incentive for companies to sell such modules.This is what it needs to be done if you really want to do it:
- Reverse engineer the Apple's wire protocol
- Make a Small IC to translate normal NAND protocol to this Apple specific one, or basically a simper SSD controller
- And make the module still small enough and make sure the total power consumption does not exceed Apples' limit
So yes, if you insist there is a way, there is always a way. The problem is just that nobody want to do that if you can just buy recycled iPhone NANDs cheap
Not true, the Surface Pro is doing it and it’s thinner than a MBP.The modules would require the chassis to be thicker and heavier and while some of us tech tinkerer nerds may not care, a significant portion of the MacBook Pro customer base very much does.
They will be next to all of the Apple Studio SSD modules that have been so widely available since 2022.*If the mini is a success, there will be an incentive for companies to sell such modules.
I can’t believe how much you guys post on a Mac site and dont know too much. Here, upgrading the ram on a Studio with the same NANDs etc:
That is what I said at the first, I was just explaining why you cannot just take a random NAND and put it in. Plus Apple uses custom NAND that no one else is using and cannot be used by anyone else, so the availability is ultimately limited by Apple orders. I don’t know if third part can even direct order such NAND from vendors directly or not, probably not, and has to source them from places like recycled iPhonesame type of NAND chips that Apple uses
It’s not really upgradeable (or meant to be).upgradeable storage