new mac pros this summer

Discussion in 'Mac Pro' started by sbb155, Jun 19, 2011.

  1. sbb155 macrumors 6502

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    Looks like the "experts" on this forum will be proven wrong! They said there weren't processors, etc. But it looks like new MPs will be coming this summer, as SOME of us thought. thank goodness for apple.
     
  2. mrt209 macrumors 6502

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    Will be? Rumors are rumors and not facts. So they "might be" proven wrong ;)

    Btw... many here said late 2011 or early 2012, so if they really are released in august it would only be a few months off, which is pretty good :)
     
  3. sbb155 thread starter macrumors 6502

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    "pretty good"? No. Wrong.
    So many experts here decried that it was not happening this summer, and that it was q4 or q1. That is just wrong. ANy of us who stated it was going to be this summer were told that "no processors were available" etc etc etc.
    We will see where the chips fall. Revisionist history will likely come from these "experts" soon
     
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    And just because Apple announces new models of the Mac Pro in August, it doesn't mean you'll get one right away. Apple has been known to announce Pro machines a few weeks before availability.
     
  5. derbothaus macrumors 601

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    No one said anything about insider knowledge and secret advanced contracts between Apple and Intel. How can anyone know that? No one here will be bummed that new tech is available. And no one here said it was impossible. They said that the socket we are looking for is not out yet. If Apple changes the case and puts X58 and Westmere in it again, I don't consider that a true update. That is what everyone was referring to when they said Apple won't update until Q4 2001 - Q1 2012.
     
  6. Umbongo macrumors 601

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    What were we supposed to say? "The new processors are scheduled for Q4, but Apple will probably have them a couple of months early because 2 years ago they had them 4 weeks before other companies and the 5 months delay last time is irrelevant"? Without insider information all you can go on is history and that has been workstations from the big vendors, Mac Pro included, mostly coming out 4-8 weeks after Intel's official release date.
     
  7. sbb155 thread starter macrumors 6502

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    actually, people said that there weren;t processors and that they werent coming out. we'll see who is wrong in august... we know who not to rely on... i can dig up the threads as well as anyone
     
  8. Cindori macrumors 68040

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    What kind of point are you trying to make?

    The people that presumably incorrectly predicted the launch date of new Mac Pro are...

    a. Idiots
    b. Deliberately lying

    ?

    If the rumor is true (and yeah, that CNET guy saying something, is classified as a rumour) shouldn't you be happy instead of holding grudges at people that are actually trying to help people pinpointing future releases by consolidating information and reviewing history?
     
  9. zephonic macrumors 65816

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    :eek:

    :confused:

    :rolleyes:

    :D

    A new case would be the first redesign since 2003. Not a true update?
     
  10. MovieCutter macrumors 68040

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    Here ya go

    [​IMG]

    What are you...12? It's children like you that make these forums a burden to trudge through to find USEFUL threads...
     
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    This may very well be the ....best.retalitory.post.EVER. Hope you don't mind but I will have to steal this for use on some of the reptile forums I belong to.........:)
     
  13. sbb155 thread starter macrumors 6502

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    i am just excited about thew new MPs. It is going to be great!
     
  14. MovieCutter macrumors 68040

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    Thanks...I think...

    We all are, there's no need to be an immature brat about it. Can you even afford a new Mac Pro at your age?
     
  15. Wild-Bill macrumors 68030

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    Video Cards

    There is only ONE thing about this alleged launch that can be accepted with absolute certainty.

    The "high-end" card Apple offers will be obsolete within a week of the Mac Pro release. :rolleyes:


    I wish I were joking, but I'm not. :mad:
     
  16. goMac macrumors 603

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    And again, I will re-iterate that Apple will refresh all hardware once a year without exception. :p
     
  17. JollyJoeJoe macrumors regular

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    Hmm, the only refresh that could be possible hardware wise this summer is a single proc, socket 1155 Mac Pro based on something like the Xeon E3-1200 family.

    Otherwise Q4, realistically Q2 2012 is when dual proc Sandy Bridge-E 6 core and above should hit the market.

    So if apple does not use the E3-1200 family procs in a refresh for the single socket Mac Pro's only then the Mac Pro's that are supposedly due out this summer will sadly be based on the same Socket 1366 Westmere's we have out now, perhaps with only a slight clock speed bump.

    So the poor sucker who will jump on these "new" Mac pro's for the sake of thunderbolt and SATA3 will within a matter of 6 month find out that new Sandy Bridge-E Mac Pro's are due for release.
     
  18. derbothaus macrumors 601

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    ...and Cindori takes this round:)
     
  19. SlugBlanket macrumors regular

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    ty for this graphic. Just a day before this rumour hit, i'd asked the question in these forums "When is a Xeon not a Xeon" http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1172553&highlight=when+xeon

    This thread kind of answers that question with the statement "When it's launched in Summer 2011" :)

    Presumably if we don't see a brand new 6 core Sandy Bridge Xeon chip this Summer, novices like me should wait until Q2 2012 ? I'm fine with that if it's the case; I'd rather wait 6 months for what I want than to be regretting it for the life of the Mac Pro.

    I'd just like to be sure that Apple would release a 6 core Sandy Bridge Xeon into the Mac Pro lineup as soon as they were available and not hold back simply because they put out an inferior chip 6 months before-hand.
     
  20. nanofrog macrumors G4

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    From yet another thread you've posted in about this... (source).

    In simple terms,

    Exactly.

    The CNET source, which pulled their information off of a couple of Tong's tweets, isn't fact. It could turn out to be total BS, or it may be a couple of new cards (GPU and Thunderbolt) and faster clock or two from the current line of CPU's.

    But that wouldn't actually be a truly new machine, as it would use the same CPU socket (LGA1366).

    Now is it theoretically possible that Intel and Apple have penned a deal where Apple will get the newer socket parts (LGA2011) sooner than other vendors?
    Yes.​

    But given the fact that Intel no longer does the board work for Apple (on any system), that's not likely IMO, as it's manufacturing the boards that tends generate greater profits (more lucrative than the CPUs on a per unit basis). So the only way Apple might be able to do this with CPU's alone, is with a MASSIVE quantity order, and there's no evidence to support this is the case (all indications are that the MP market is shrinking, not growing).

    Apple's growth is in the consumer products (iDevices, laptops, iMac, and maybe the Mini). XServe is gone, and it was just a MP in a different format (did require a different board layout to fit, but it was based on the same Intel Reference Design and components <CPU family, chipset, ICH> as used for the MP of the same CPU series).

    I'm just not convinced from available information that the growth has reached the point in these areas that Intel would entertain such a deal. Getting into further detail, the various iDevices are based on ARM processors which are not designed or manufactured by Intel (designed by PA Semi and made by TSMC). So we're really only talking about the CPU volumes for the laptops, iMac, and Mini (why I don't think the volume is high enough).

    So you believe rumors rather than verifiable facts... :rolleyes: What a sad state of affairs our education system must be. :(

    Show us real facts, and we'll applaud you. Nor would any of us complain, as we're interested in the MP for various reasons.

    But a CNET article based on a couple of tweets from someone who over-all doesn't have the best track record, doesn't qualify as fact by any sane person's definition (certainly not Webster's Dictionary).

    But ATM, what factual evidence is available, clearly states there aren't any suitable parts based on a new socket. Yet.

    True.

    But more importantly, even if Apple did sign a deal with Intel for new socket parts for the MP (LGA2011) for delivery dates prior to any other vendor, historically that would only be 1 Quarter (13 weeks), not 6 months or more. Which would place delivery to Foxconn's assembly plant in August.

    Then they'd need another 13 weeks (1 Q, aka lead time) to get systems shipping (they need time to verify the assembled systems meet specifications, then manufacture a sufficient quantity to ship - why it typically takes 13 weeks of lead time before products are shipped from the date they can begin manufacturing).

    And if you go back and look at Apple's earlier Intel systems, 13 weeks is the longer lead times they had (problems will reduce this, which is why I suspect the 2009 model didn't make it but about 3 weeks ahead of Intel's official release date for the Xeon series used).

    Those that do, would be bound by NDA clauses. So revealing information can cost them their jobs (companies tend to take these agreements seriously).

    Exactly. We'd be very happy campers (save perhaps the price structuring, but that's a different argument that tends to crop up with each new MP). :D

    Exactly again.

    Most of us wouldn't consider another LGA1366 release a new system (not worthy of a new MP Identifier), as the current system could be made into one by swapping out a few parts (i.e. add a Thunderbolt PCIe card, new PCIe GPU card, and maybe a faster clocked CPU from the same family of Xeons).

    Precisely, but sadly, this seems to fall on deaf ears (hoping beyond hope that they're going to get what they want, when they want it, so the most unreliable tidbit/nugget of a rumor gets all kinds of undue attention).

    I can tweet all kinds of BS I could pull out of my @... err... imagine, but doesn't mean for one instant it would be true (or ever happen in the distant future). But if it were to state "Heard from Foxconn's CEO Mr. Terry Guo himself - NEW MP DUE OUT TOMORROW -", it would have this section of MR up in arms. :eek: But it seems some would jump on it like a drowning person would on a life-preserver, despite it being a total load of crap. :D :p

    Just faster clocks of existing CPU's isn't worthy of a new MP Identifier.

    The closest thing like this that ever happened with the MP, is the 2007, where Intel did release new CPU's that could use the same boards as the 2006's (created the first Octad systems).

    Others, such as the 2010's, where a few new parts, and board tweaks. But in both cases, something other than the GPU used and CPU clock frequency changed.

    This is what I don't get...

    Most of us are trying to use historical evidence and publicly available facts to gain some sense of what, when,... a new system would be available (MP based on a new socket). Not "I saw a rumor..." from a very dubious source, and state it = FACT.

    See above (and/or other threads on this particular source of information for that matter). :eek: :D :p

    Not really the best way to go if they intend to make a system faster than the previous model.

    For a faster system, definitely (end Q1 2012 or early Q2 2012 would be sufficient time to get new systems out, presuming CPU's arrive to assembly plants at or near the end of December 2011 = tail end of Q4 2011).

    Which could prove to be a disaster if they do IMO (i.e. toss in a faster clocked LGA1366 CPU, Thunderbolt PCIe card and faster GPU), as it would reduce the sales of the LGA2011 based models (already spent their new system budget on the mid-season refresh LGA1366 models).

    This has bearing, as they need to meet a minimum sales figure to break even, let alone make a profit. If they over-estimate the sales volume (= order too many units from the manufacturer), they would end up with over-stock. So to move it, they'd re-list those systems as refurbished/sell off at a lower price to other sales outlets and take a reduced profit, if not a loss (depends on how many they sold vs. got stuck with letting go at a reduced rate to determine if it's a reduced profit or a loss <aka "in the red"> for that particular MP).
     
  21. Rics macrumors newbie

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    All these threads are a non-sense..
    I'm waiting too for an update of the MP, i've decided to wait and stick with my good MBP core2duo in the meantime.
    But hey, we can't saturate the forum with new threads with always the same question or futile "experts wrong-right" debates.
    I don't think that people here have a magic crystal ball in their hands, someone can ask for advices/buying tips, but then it's all to who receive the advice/tip to follow or no follow the advice/tip.
    Seems that people forget to use their own brain...:confused:
     
  22. Schismz, Jun 20, 2011
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    @Nanofrog: I enjoyed your usual extremely well thought out, lucid and articulate message. You should ask somebody at MacRumors to start paying you a salary or something. :cool:

    What I personally derive from this exciting news is: brand new Mac Pros COMING SOON!!!!!!! Any Minute Now!

    Thunderbolt, speedbumped CPU clock speed, same socket and <wait for it> OhMyGod a Brand New Case!!!!!

    That's it. There's the new Mac Pro. Did we expect Q1/2 2012 for the "real" new Mac Pros? Oh Noooz, we actually meant Q4, whenever we get around to it, but it'll have a BTO that comes with magical pixie dust and the new mood keyboard that glows in rainbow colors.

    Watch. It'll happen. Xserve is dead, okay people, here's your new case & a thunderbolt port. The End. That's the new Mac Pro. Tack on SATA III somehow, and it's actually a pretty decent update, no worse than 2009 to 2010 was (yes I know, the Westmere's and 6 cores arrived in 2010, but what's that compared to A NEW CASE + the awesome power of Thunderbolt!).

    That's actually more than enough to kick something out the door and release a new Mac Pro, sans any new CPU or socket.

    - New Case
    - Thunderbolt
    - Speedbumped CPUs
    - SATA III
    - New GPUs

    It's good enough to pump out Part 3 of the Epic Trilogy: Mac Pro 2009, the saga continues!!!!

    Also there's Lion! And FCP X! the and's just go on and on. If anybody thinks it's impossible for Apple to kick a "new" Mac Pro out the door, I beg to differ and would say you're basing your thinking on logic, reason and sanity, all of which have nothing to do with Apple's success.
     
  23. JollyJoeJoe macrumors regular

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    Nope, but we have the Intel roadmap and that's better than a crystal ball.
     
  24. -hh macrumors 68020

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    Time will tell.

    Of course, just a few weeks ago, the rumor was updates in June (yes, this month): we've got ten (10) days left in the month ... think it is going to happen?

    And another question is because of how you've finger-pointed at others based upon little more than a few Tweets, if new MP's don't ship NLT August, then what public apology/humiliation do you have planned for yourself?


    YMMV on if these new tweets are good enough quality rumors to seriously suggest a pre-Christmas delivery.

    As an optimist, I'd like to say that things are looking up slightly, particularly when we roll in Lion and also the previously announced "summer" plans for a "FinalCut-X" (sic) update. However, I can also recall a June 2003 announcement of the G5 PowerMac which wasn't followed by hardware shipments for another two months.

    If we assume this rumor to be truthful and a similar pattern...let's see: August 30th is a tuesday, and adding +2 months would put hardware shipping at around Halloween...YMMV at what point it all becomes "close enough" to prior 4Q Roadmap plans.

    Time will tell.


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